Xenophage

are ya ready for the big content owners who will come with the $5 site and offer more content than any other paysites out there ? the death of the $40 sale but at least the customer will recur for a year or more. and when I mean content I mean lots of articles and other stuff to keep people interested and excited.

spamofon

I am so excited

Xenophage

i knew you would be I wrote this post just for U

MrIzzz

i'm interested

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Jason

Sorry to burst your bubble Lars..

PornDollar has $1 Per Month For Life sites.

Launched a few months ago with PornDollar 3.

Soon to be on its own with OneDollarCash.com

From our numbers.. These hella cheap signups rebill forever.

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SleazyDream

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$0.99 sites - it'll be HUGE!!!!!!!

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Xenophage

competition sure does sqeeeeze the margains

Spunky

Intresting concept.

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Stevie Ward

the point here is more transactions at lower amounts = lower chargeback ratios......that is why they are so beneficial for program owners....
this trend will continue

Mr.Fiction

Someday someone will take that idea a step further and invent a totally free porn site.

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Xenophage

I just think that if a print mag could make money for 50 yeras off of $4.95 a month or so inflation adjusted then online the same thing can happen I predict big paysite guys will start aquiring content and studios and start producing more content themselves in house and aquiring more libraris of content. THe site with teh most variety and fullest content sections will eventually win, it will just take time.

SleazyDream

NICKELS dude - NICKELS will be the way of the future

<b><big><big><big><big>$0.05

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The only question I have with this logic is how does this affect the issuing banks?

quiet

i completely agree... that's also where i see things heading. regardless of whether or not i welcome it.

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SleazyDream

most of that cost is distrubation. the profit is the ads.

That future sees paysites as nothing but a big upsell..............


yuck

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Most magazines make their money on advertising - print magazines are falling faster than Bush's approval ratings.

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Lane

only till the day the competetion totally eliminates $10+ sites and there is nothing left to upsell to, which will make the whole model unprofittable without hidden charges.

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Bingo

and my live feeds are a rocking upsell !!!

pushpills

I got an even better one


free 1 day trials that recurr at 10 grand


cant seem to find a billing company that shares my beliefs on fairness

vas

or how about you just run a tgp...

slavdogg

Lars, you're on the right track but you're forgeting one imporant fact. Circulation size !!
How many mags do i need to sell per month to break even ??
300k, 500k, 1,000,000+ ? per month and every month to make a profit. And thats not including the extra advertising rev from ads in the mags

How many paysites operators can you name that do more than 10k transactions a day ? How about 5k a day ?? the answer is very few and only getting less. Something drastic would need to happen for that # to start going up again.

So to answer your post, i dont see it going that route anytime soon as we've already proven surfers will pay almost any price for unique and new porn that turns em on.

Xenophage

true but cost are less online, and if the content is crazy full and endless and refreshing constantly, then the surfer would accept lots of upsell ads inside the sites. the upsell money would be much better as the retention would be huge.


I wonder at that pricepoint does it compete with free sites....

for repeate daily traffic

Mr.Fiction

I agree with you, but it advertising is not "extra revenue" to most magazines - it's their only hope to profit.

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SleazyDream

it's called TGP and it's free

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Xenophage

i think surfers are getting fed up with $40 a month sites that deliver nothing.. and think they are less willing to pay than last year and the year before for the regular fare paysite, and I think at some point having 400,000 members at 4.95 wil be the norm in the porn biz in I also see megers and acquisitions a lot in the not too distant future, and of course a lot more lawsuits.

Mr.Fiction

This is a question big free sites in the United States should be asking as they look toward the Supreme Court ruling coming later this year.

Is there a monthly or yearly price a big free site like Sleazy Dream could charge where he would retain enough users to make as much or more money than what he makes as a free site?

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Xenophage

but if it offered a lot more than any tgp could ever hope to offer at a low low price point maybye a surfer would stop going to the small tgp.. Just a thought. Size and quantity matters

I had big chat rooms in 1995 1996 then yahoo killed every chat site by having way more to offer in terms of users and experience
yeah niche chat sites still existed but user base was slowly declining for those sites

mega content at cheap price could own most tgps

plus with 400,000- 1 million members it starts to get hard to sell new people..... and then free sites income dries up.. but there are prolly 11 million or wso people who would pay $5 for a mmega site

Kimmykim

Ok, let's try the direct approach...

If you are B of A or Wells Fargo or Citi and you are paying 25 cents or more for every transaction one of your card holders makes, and you are getting paid, oh let's estimate, 2-5% on the transactions, if you have a 5 dollar transaction that you make at best 25 cents on, do you think you would be a happy bank?

If you have a dollar transaction you just paid 25 cents to clear in order to collect a nickel, would that make it better for you?

Cheap transactions may make the cardholders and the acquiring banks happy due to low chargebacks but do they make the issuing banks happy when they break even at best on them?

Discuss amongst yourselves, I'm going bed and to Barrett Jackson in the morning, will check back in later on to see what you guys think.

chowda

what ur proposing.. sounds like a big tgp that has avs characteristics.

whats the diff between this idea and thehun?

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Xenophage

lots of the big big tgps offer a premium membership already

4.95 to be a sleazy VIP an elite member as it where

you get all 10,000 of his stories and dont have to wait for the next ones each day plus you get yadda yadda yadda

Xenophage

way more content and lots of articles with real writers more along the lines of a print magazine. something you can only do with a staff of 30 ore more people

pushpills

I doubt it...



The trial and then conver to 40/month will always be pretty dominant...

5 bucks a month time 24 months is 120 bucks... the same time as 3 months at 40.


So lets say your average user at 40 is 3 months (a decent amount cancell, but this includes the people who forgot to cancell and rebilled for a while)

thats 120 per user

now lets say your average 5 buck paysite lasts 2 YEARS....thats 120. and it takes you 2 years to get that money....



and thats not even mentioning the upsells of 40/month sites that some people forget to cancell.

Xenophage

I am sure there are many mainstreame companies that charge $5 recuring for somehting.. lots of places allow you to charge just $5 for a soda and some chips or gas or whatever so I think they will still take it. even if its not as profitable as a $40 sale

chowda

u seem to be focused on articles and stories more than pics and videos.. whys that?

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Kimmykim

I couldn't help but look one more time.

The examples you've given are not high risk and don't have chargebacks to factor into their model at the rate that adult does.

Visa/MC rules prohibit disallowing a sale due to small dollar amount right now, but remember that Visa and MC are simply associations with board members from different banks that either issue or acquire. Acquiring has been strongly represented for a long time on all boards but issuing isn't the red headed stepchild either.

It's entirely possible that they could charge more for low dollar transactions, processing banks could refuse to accept 5967 in low dollar amounts due to incessant chargeback history, you name it.

I'm not by any means saying it's goign to happen, I am suggesting you consider it as an argument.

Night sweets

GonZo

Classic...menza boy Grogan arguing with Lars...

His next post will be...whos Lars?
Whos Andy Dunn?

That new name dont hide that your a pretentious idiot.

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Xenophage

I think over time given a option between $5 and $40 a surfer would pay $5 especially if the $5 site had 100X the content in it.

A name brand has this ability the market forces will drive teh price of paysites down and the offering of more and more content for less and less.

slavdogg

yes but you would also have 5x the # of members and inital sign ups at $5

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Xenophage

I think that those that can offer this type of stuff on top of the video and pics will have the extra ooomph when comparing $5 sites
it will become the differentiator.....

all magazines that are successful have some kinda writing in there as well as t and a

KC

It's kind of like that scene in "There's Something About Mary"


Hitchhiker: You heard of this thing, the 8-Minute Abs?

Ted Stroehmann: Yeah, sure, 8-Minute Abs. Yeah, the excercise video.

Hitchhiker: Yeah, this is going to blow that right out of the water. Listen to this: 7... Minute... Abs.

Ted Stroehmann: Right. Yes. OK, alright. I see where you're going.

Hitchhiker: Think about it. You walk into a video store, you see 8-Minute Abs sittin' there, there's 7-Minute Abs right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?

Ted Stroehmann: I would go for the 7.

Hitchhiker: Bingo, man, bingo. 7-Minute Abs. And we guarantee just as good a workout as the 8-minute folk.

Ted Stroehmann: You guarantee it? That's -- how do you do that?

Hitchhiker: If you're not happy with the first 7 minutes, we're gonna send you the extra minute free. You see? That's it. That's our motto. That's where we're comin' from. That's from "A" to "B".

Ted Stroehmann: That's right. That's -- that's good. That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with 6-Minute Abs. Then you're in trouble, huh?

[Hitchhiker convulses]

Hitchhiker: No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

Ted Stroehmann: That -- good point.

Hitchhiker: 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

Ted Stroehmann: Why?

Hitchhiker: 'Cause you're fuckin' fired!

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Xenophage

I think that with the $5 sites there would be less chargebacks due to the fact that the customer would be more satisfied buy the huge content, but your right the are different and it would not stop the friendly fraud chargeback when the wife finds the bill.. but maybye name brands would have less chargebacks than joe bloe....

slavdogg

that has been flawed pricing model since day one, but its just now catching up to us.

Xenophage

hmmm bet its cold outside where your at just now

Xenophage

yup as visa and mc squezes the fat out the playing field is getting more level

TheJimmy

I'd say that's a VERY safe bet...


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pushpills

probably some more yes, but free and one dollar trials still convert pretty well in comparison....plus i dont think the "average" will be 2 years...people change cards, use debit cards and change banks, and cancell...


maybe 5 a month with 2 40/month upsells

slavdogg

HAHAH KC, i love that line

good point tho, I remember when everyone was playing catch up and raising prices. Are we seeing the reverse trend to lower prices ?

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