I think that those that can offer this type of stuff on top of the video and pics will have the extra ooomph when comparing $5 sites
it will become the differentiator.....

all magazines that are successful have some kinda writing in there as well as t and a

It's kind of like that scene in "There's Something About Mary"


Hitchhiker: You heard of this thing, the 8-Minute Abs?

Ted Stroehmann: Yeah, sure, 8-Minute Abs. Yeah, the excercise video.

Hitchhiker: Yeah, this is going to blow that right out of the water. Listen to this: 7... Minute... Abs.

Ted Stroehmann: Right. Yes. OK, alright. I see where you're going.

Hitchhiker: Think about it. You walk into a video store, you see 8-Minute Abs sittin' there, there's 7-Minute Abs right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?

Ted Stroehmann: I would go for the 7.

Hitchhiker: Bingo, man, bingo. 7-Minute Abs. And we guarantee just as good a workout as the 8-minute folk.

Ted Stroehmann: You guarantee it? That's -- how do you do that?

Hitchhiker: If you're not happy with the first 7 minutes, we're gonna send you the extra minute free. You see? That's it. That's our motto. That's where we're comin' from. That's from "A" to "B".

Ted Stroehmann: That's right. That's -- that's good. That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with 6-Minute Abs. Then you're in trouble, huh?

[Hitchhiker convulses]

Hitchhiker: No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

Ted Stroehmann: That -- good point.

Hitchhiker: 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

Ted Stroehmann: Why?

Hitchhiker: 'Cause you're fuckin' fired!

I think that with the $5 sites there would be less chargebacks due to the fact that the customer would be more satisfied buy the huge content, but your right the are different and it would not stop the friendly fraud chargeback when the wife finds the bill.. but maybye name brands would have less chargebacks than joe bloe....

that has been flawed pricing model since day one, but its just now catching up to us.

hmmm bet its cold outside where your at just now:winkwink:

yup as visa and mc squezes the fat out the playing field is getting more level

I'd say that's a VERY safe bet...


aloha...

probably some more yes, but free and one dollar trials still convert pretty well in comparison....plus i dont think the "average" will be 2 years...people change cards, use debit cards and change banks, and cancell...


maybe 5 a month with 2 40/month upsells :)

HAHAH KC, i love that line :)

good point tho, I remember when everyone was playing catch up and raising prices. Are we seeing the reverse trend to lower prices ?

It's a BALMY 22 Degrees! We're having a bit of a heat wave right now.

It's a big change from -18F a week ago!!

Aloha TJ... How's it going man?

I've always wondered does your nick come from "The Jimmy" episode of Seinfeld?

"I have invented something is gunna revolutionize the world !! Are you ready for this ?? SE-VEN MINUTE ABS !!!" :Graucho

great fucking flick! :winkwink: :thumbsup

BTW .... 52 wooden nickel recurring paysites !! :2 cents: :2 cents:

Does that even cover B/W charges? Even at 10 cents it's only 10 gig. Plus everything else.

I don't think i'm ready to change from 40 to 10, 5, or 1.

With all the Visa changes, I came with our $1 sites to increase our overall monthly transactions and have some damn happy surfers..

Do these surfers upsell to our 10 dollar and 40 dollar sites? Hell yes they do.

Any membership that low should not be able to have access to my full catalog on videos.. (over 100 gigs of DRM uncut videos)

Point is.. Yes it converts like a mag program..

But in the long run.. The bottom line is not there.

The lower chargeback rates aren't entirely due to the lower price. On average, a chargeback costs the issuing bank $25, once you factor in paperwork, employees' salaries, fees, courtesy credits, etc. As such, a good percentage of issuing banks will simply write off smaller charges rather than go through the whole chargeback. Only in extreme or worthwhile cases will the bank do a chargeback.

Heya KC, it's going pretty damm well this week....

How youuuuu doinnnn?



and yeh, that is actually ONE of the facets of my nick....amazing you picked up on that...most people think it's merely a ref to a slang for the male anatomy...

I LOVE that episode of Seinfeld...the 3rd person talk is a blast...


:thumbsup :thumbsup




PS: rumor has it that Kimmy LOVES the "The" nicks and almost became TheKimmy until I jumped onto the scene with my glorious nick ;)

Just to clarify... I wasn't busting Lars' balls.

Pricing models are interesting. The key to making successfull pricing decision is Test, Evaluate, Repeat.

The primary goal should be to get the maximum value out of the surfer as possible, so that you can afford to pay the affiliates as much as possible. Different people have different models..

Now that exit consoles are becoming less and less effective due to blockers, etc. I think we're going to see a lot more emphasis being placed on retention than it has been in the past. Especially for PPS sponsors.

I think it may well be I think the surfer is getting smarter. just like they did with free sites.. just look how new tgps crushed picposts which crushed regualr free sites....

content will eventually be king... the scams have to wear out first and the surfers have to get burnt out on them and seasoned.... just like when they learned to do the trial and cancel and move to the next pay site and do the same over and over

Read above :)

Because he sells video/streaming by the minute, not by the month, and makes a lot of money doing it.

If Lars owned Playboy, he could offer the magazine, stories, articles, and even some pics for a low price because his money would be made on bringing people to the site then upselling the live and recorded shows.

That's what I think he's thinking. :)

thats a good point

but someone will figure out more ways to still pop..

oh yeah downloads do that :)

In the TGP game this is already the case.

:thumbsup

in many games (in and outside of the adult biz) this is the case


:thumbsup :thumbsup

now I just ned PLA to go to $2 bucks a share so I can load up on stock and buy em out but since its at 16 bucks I think I cant do that..

I just think surfers would stay longerr if they felt they were geting their monies worth or they liked a particular writer or funy stuff or whatever broader range of contetn to attract and keep the surfer

Here is a thought what if the big content providers tomorrow decided to no longer sell content and only keep it all for themselves and their new $5 sites how many paysites would have next to nothing inside their sites. most of the feds and content are controlled bya few players..

thats why I am saying more people are going to become producers of their own stuff.

example CE just bought a shitload of toon content..

Woa did I see someone say Content is king?
I used to get slapped in the head for saying such things in the past.
I got faith in content.
ALOT. Especially exclusive.

agreed

I am talking about as much pics as all the tgps together and about more video than anyone can think of and more live feeds and articles and stories and exclusive content of super stars and celebs and stuff like that things a tgp player can not put together.

not withought very good connections and lots of staff and credibility of a brand like hustler or playboy

thats cuzz traffic has been king since 1994

it is still king but it is smarter traffic each year that passes

I think content will become more important as the billing gets squeezed and the industry matures and the margins get squeezed even more

Sorry to intrude on this discussion:)

Hehhe it is clear the next generation players got there thinking caps on. Pardon my excitement.

I'm going the other way on this.


$80 a month sites


Never been done before!:thumbsup

all ass kissing aside, I gotta give it to Lars, it's refreshing to see someone with some decent foresight...



if I had to lay bets down, I'm thinking he is someone that will be around for quite a while...

i doubt it.

hehehe

Some very interesting ideas being thrown out in this thread !!

:thumbsup :thumbsup


Am I on the right board ??? I WANT MY DRAMA !!!

Lars .... put a BigMac on a fishing line, and hold it over Sleazy's head, and then move it away when he goes to grab it !!

I might take that bet. If Lars isn't around for a long time, it'll be because he's made his "Nut" and he's done. It will certainly be he own choice though!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I think this is the ONLY way cookie cutter sites with shitty member areas and non-exclusive content can hang.

Shoot some interesting content and make a unique site.

the bastard already did that at the TGP VIP party with the cocktail weenies.

he's been around longer than most GFYers put together
and no i'm not saying he's old :)

point is, learning curve on the web has not changed much from the early days. It takes time to understand and learn the past in order to see the future. THose that have been around a while will understand what i'm saying.