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There should not be a law against this (even though it's very dangerous). For those that do drive poorly while on cell phones, very stiff consequences and reprocutions should follow.
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What this really is is an example of what happens when we try to treat everyone the same. People are not the same.
Some people are coordinated and can drive and talk and change radio stations and eat all at the same time without driving their SUVs into a pedestrian, and some pedestrians are so fucking spastic that they can't cross a god-damned four-lane road without almost tripping over their own shoe laces twice. The drivers license test needs to be upgraded. There are too many elderly, uncoordinated, blind people driving. The driving test should test reflexes, coordination, vision, and the ability to multitask AS WELL AS the ability to parallel park, merge onto an expressway, and for the love of God, pull the fuck over out of the fast lane when someone wants to pass. Love, Buff |
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- reduce the number of cellphone-using drivers out there. - reduce the # of cell-phone-related accidents - make the streets a bit safer - and of course remove yet another one of *your* rights. Cops can't be everywhere, and cellphones are able to be banned. Yelling at kids or searching for stuff isn't.
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If you're so concerned, why not just get a hands free headset. It seems to me it would be easier to talk that way regardless of the law. |
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I agree it'll do all of the aforementioned things. Banning reaching for a CD while driving would also produce the same results. Handless headsets also provide a great distraction but will not be banned in the near future. So there's a difference between talking on a cell phone and holding it, and talking on a cell phone mounted somewhere (ignore the obvious difference)? Where do you draw the line between personal responsibility and government intervention? I guess that's why we have such a large beaurocracy.
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Look, I rallied back in the 80's against forced helmet laws man. The theme of our quite large groundswell of support was "Let those who ride decide"..... but beyond some rather cool t-shirts and a lot of great fundraising parties it went nowhere. Cellphone laws are a fact, no matter where you live you are in an area where they are either coming or are already in force. End of story. Reaching for other shit or yelling at kids isn't going to get an official law of it's own, but cellphones are something that can and will be readily banned. How much plainer can I say it?
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I like to look up mapquest on my hiptop to get directions while I'm on the freeway. Done it before, no problem.
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What's going to happen and what should happen are two totally different issues. I'm debating what should happen, not what's going to happen.
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"It kills people, but banning it is wrong" Gotcha.
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Fast food kills people, but banning is wrong Cigarettes kill people, but banning is wrong Guns kill people, but banning is wrong Alcohol kills people, but banning is wrong At least you've conceeded your arguement; could've done so in a better way though.
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Ace, it's a "for your own good" ban-able thing. People other than you want it banned. As far as I know there is no major public outcry to have alcohol or fast food banned. There is one for this. If you can't understand that, the last word you should be slinging at me is "retard" boyo.
Here, try using that new head strap thing that binds the phone to your head thus making it "hands free"...... <img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/drivesafe.jpg"> Looks like it was fucking made for you. ![]()
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If you can do it hands free you know your a pro!
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As for your opinion, who cares. I have had numerous close calls due to idiots that can't carry on a phone call and drive at the same time. Use a headset if you need to drive and talk at the same time. |
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Obviously you only read one or two of my post. If you read more, then I'm sorry for your illiteracy. I've already said that I am AGAINST PEOPLE USING PHONES WHILE DRIVING. I'm just trying to have a discussion (without interruption) about where the government should draw the line between intervention and trusting the citizen.
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But damn I miss the days of cruising through city park on a hot sunday with the long hair flying in the breeze. Always wore a full-face on the highway though, as not much sucks worse than a bee in the forehead at 70 mph.
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But if you'd like to continue filling your replies with little shots and inuendo like "retard" and snide sarcasm, I suppose I have a little more time to trade it with you.
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As Ben Franklin said in the 1750's: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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You are right, I stopped reading your posts because I hate reading text that is laced with spelling errors. Besides, your opinion means nothing to me. Anyone that sides with the Libertarian way of thinking really has nothing to say that I will find of much importance. Libertarians are one reason why the government has decided that the public can't be trusted to make intelligent decisions . . . after all, they voted them into office. How smart can they possibly be? |
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I intentionally got a ticket for riding with no helmet (took 4 months to get someone to cite me) and successfully beat it in the Appellate Courts (represented myself) and got it reduced to a fix-it ticket. and a windshield works a lot better than a full faced helmet IMHO. |
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do I need to describe how that would turn out? ![]() Sorry, but people <i>can't</i> be trusted. Baddog.... Most states do have helmet laws of some sort though, but whatever. As for the windsheild, I'm 6'4".... a windshield that high looks retarded on a bike, in my very humble opinion. If I still rode I'd be going with the helmet. At least I got a few years of good riding in, and got to enjoy a few pairs of ear-warmers before the damn brainbucket laws came in. :D
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These are state laws... if there is a problem with cell phone drivers in your state, you are gonna get a law passed. If your state doesn't have a problem, then you won't.
I don't see the Fed. Gov't giving any "benefits" if the state enacts these laws, yet. So write a letter, or make a call to your state legislators and governor if you want to drive with a cell phone held to your ear. I think hand held phones should be banned, hands-free is fine with me on the road. Most of the real shitheads I encounter on the road here in Vegas have phones pressed to their head. |
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that law is in a shit load of states now..however you can use your ear piece and talk that way.
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I really like this law because it just might decrease # of accidents
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good idea. i myself can barely drive and talk at the same time. and when i'm on the phone i frequently miss exits or turns altogether.
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http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-Now/trl-study.pdf The Transport Research Laboratory of England concluded that driving while having a conversation on the phone impairs one's driving more than having a blood alcohol level above the legal limit. http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-...v-release.html Montreal, February 7, 2001 -- Researchers at the Transportation Safety Laboratory of Universite de Montreal today presented the results of a major epidemiological study on the risks of road accidents and the use of wireless telephones. Overall, the study shows that both male and female wireless telephone users have a 38% higher risk of accident compared with the nonusers of the same gender. Relative risk increases with frequency of cell phone use; the risk of accident for heavy users (more than 135 calls made per month) is about twice the risk for light users (fewer than 10 calls made per month). These results take into account other accident risk factors, including driver age and the year of the accident, and driving habits, such as kilometers driven annually and night driving. http://www.apa.org/journals/xap/xap6131.html For a really wordy and in depth study from the American Psychological Association. http://www.psych.utah.edu/AppliedCog...PS-Reprint.pdf Dual-task studies assessed the effects of cellular-phone conversations on performance of a simulted driving task. Performance was not disrupted by listening to radio broadcasts or listening to a book on tape. Nor was it disrupted by a continuous shadowing task using a handheld phone, ruling out, in this case, dual-task interpretations assosciated with holding the phone, listening, or speaking. However, significant interference was observed in a word-generation variant of the shadowing task, and this deficit increased with the difficulty of driving. Moreover, unconstrained conversations using either a handheld or a hands-free cell phone resulted in a twofold increase in the failure to detect simulated traffic signals and slower reactions to those signals that were detected. We suggest that cellular-phone use disrupts performance by diverting attention to an engaging cognitive contexty other than the one immediately associated with driving. Plenty more of this stuff available if you're only prepared to look for it.
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