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Old 01-08-2004, 04:02 PM   #201
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Damn this thread moves quickly...
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:02 PM   #202
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to be honest with you, she has better taste... dont flatter yourself.
or really????

do you mind if I quote her PM, one before last?

do you?
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:03 PM   #203
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dude, get real... like their biggest webmasters are gonna pull their traffic now? They are satisfied with epic or they would have rmoved their links way before you told them to, and I'm sure they will not change their mind because you tell them so.
Don't try to be the big one, when epic gives you some serious $$ for a banner on oprano you'll be selling out to. (unless this is a hobby to you)
I bought a pinned thread for 750 once, and this is how he repays me...

typical of serge
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ok, I don't wanna starve pimpdog to death,
go eat, so shall I,
and we continue when I get back....either you like it or not
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:04 PM   #205
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or really????

do you mind if I quote her PM, one before last?

do you?
i cant speak for her, but since when do you need someones permission to post private logs? its never stopped you before scumbag.
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:05 PM   #206
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I bought a pinned thread for 750 once, and this is how he repays me...

typical of serge
go eat, we'll go over it when I get back....

I guarantee 5 MORE pages of it in thsi thread
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ok, I don't wanna starve pimpdog to death,
go eat, so shall I,
and we continue when I get back....either you like it or not
;-))))
excellent, thanks dad

will be back in 1 hr, we shal continue
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:06 PM   #208
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i cant speak for her, but since when do you need someones permission to post private logs? its never stopped you before scumbag.
YES, I am a SCUMBAG,
but I am NOT rip off artist like you...at least anymore
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excellent, thanks dad

will be back in 1 hr, we shal continue
I need 3 hours....but..
"I'll be back!"
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:11 PM   #210
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150 webmasters that prefer making money with EpicCash!

and a little closer for AsylumN to get his Xbox off the EpicCash name... Shoot me a email and I'll send send you a shirt to go with it as well!


"150 webmasters that prefer making money with EpicCash"


Like I said if this epic shit didn't shave so much then they'd have some good typein traffic from me and others..
STOP YOUR SCAMING! then you'll survive like the rest of the sponsors get back to the basics. this is a message for all sponsors.. the shaving and frauding will catch up to you more quickly now adays.. the end is near for alot of you..
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:17 PM   #211
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wtf is the problem? none of you guys remember scores-cash.com? they allegedly closed up shop over Acacia. What about the david lace trouble?

Why not let Epic Cash deal with this in a manner that is more fruitful than the risk of being shutdown, taking all of you with them?

Heck, they can always get the contract reversed if it turns out Acacia has no claim. So can everyone else, presumably.

Worried about Acacia going after your ass? Then don't do anything to make them go after your ass. Or, settle with them. It's the cost of doing business.

Get over it. I, just as most of you, don't take Acacias patent claims as valid, but I'd sure as hell rather settle with them if necessary than be forced to close up shop and go work at McD's....
What about the option to fight? You don't mention that option, why?

Nothing personal here..... but I would have far greater respect for a company that chose to fight the acacia extortionists. I'll tell you with assurance that if there was news of a program like adult.com throwing in with those that are fighting Acacia, there would be an uproar of acclaim and cheering for Lensman and his company. That's a fact, that thread would be the exact REVERSE of this one. Why? Think about it.

There is mention here of "protecting our affiliates".... then in another breath it is mentioned "We have not disclosed your info to Acacia and never will"...... then how will acacia know who is your affiliate and who isn't? If you did it to protect your affiliates, how will acacia know whom to pass by and whom to go after? Information on affiliates must be shared at some point, no?

Just questions... not hostile. I'm not attacking, I'm just wanting to draw out information.


People, Acacia isn't going anywhere until they are beaten soundly in court. Period. Carrie's post about them was one of the best I've read so far, I suggest everyone go back and read it again, because many of you defending the settlers need a reality check.

And lastly.... someone asked something like "why do you people think you have a right to say anything about the business decisions of a company??".... I can answer that. Webmasters have a right to comment on this because the so-called "business decisions" of these companies affect us all, they affect the entire industry. You bet your ass I have a right (and a duty) to comment loudly when I see something going on that I know is not good for the future of our industry. I've made my living 100% from online ventures for nearly 5 years now, a big part of my livelihood depends on these decisions by certain companies.

Surely we can all agree that Acacia needs to be defeated. If that is the case, then settling shouldn't be an option. I would have more respect for a company that chose to throw in with those already fighting, and FIGHT. I'm sure they would welcome another brother-in-arms standing up for *our* side. My decision is to support such companies, I've donated to the IMPA.... have you? I cannot in good consience support companies that have caved in and settled and at the same time say I support the group that is fighting it. Call it a business decision..... designed to protect ALL webmasters, not just one's own affiliates.

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Old 01-08-2004, 04:18 PM   #212
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Like I said if this epic shit didn't shave so much then they'd have some good typein traffic from me and others..
STOP YOUR SCAMING! then you'll survive like the rest of the sponsors get back to the basics. this is a message for all sponsors.. the shaving and frauding will catch up to you more quickly now adays.. the end is near for alot of you..
mark Jive's words.
I've some stupid stuff, but EpicCash shaving... Come the fuck on, that's a stretch...
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What about the option to fight?
Euh... can't you make sure your business is safe from being shutdown and fight at the same time?

Is that so unpossible? (don't know if epic is doing that but it is possible)

And the "you are paying accacia to get after us webmasters" excuse is bullshit IMHO. IF their patent is valid they'll win and otherways they will dissapear silently

I wonder how all of you are going to react when some of the none-settlement sponsors are shut down or the domains you are sending to (davidlace lost his domain because of accacia). I don't believe anyone who gas settled is doing it because they want to.
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Euh... can't you make sure your business is safe from being shutdown and fight at the same time?

Is that so unpossible? (don't know if epic is doing that but it is possible)

And the "you are paying accacia to get after us webmasters" excuse is bullshit IMHO. IF their patent is valid they'll win and otherways they will dissapear silently

I wonder how all of you are going to react when some of the none-settlement sponsors are shut down or the domains you are sending to (davidlace lost his domain because of accacia). I don't believe anyone who gas settled is doing it because they want to.
Sorry, but the points you are trying to put forth here are stupid. If a lot of you guys feel this way then I am truly nervous about this industry. The more companies that settle, the harder it will be to defeat the patent.... what part of that statement don't you get?

Acacia will not "fade away silently".... they will keep coming after us continuously, always, forever.... unless they are beaten. And if you know anything about the prior art in this case, if you know anything about this case at all, you'd know that their patent is invalid, it just has to be proven in court.

I'm sorry, but you're either WITH the cause of fighting, or you're against it. I don't hear anything from the companies on that list saying that they are donating large sums of money to those doing the actual fighting, do you? Enuff said.



And it's "IMpossible"... UNpossible is a word used in cartoons.
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One other point here........

I don't agree with the title of this thread, from the standpoint that it is not right to single out only one company on Acacia's list of those who have settled. It is not right to single one out like this and yell for a boycott. It comes off as being quite malicious.

The list is actually THIS long.....


smutbucks.com
primecash.com
falcondollars.com
megapornbucks.com
cecash.com
venuscash.com
buttbucks.com
ten.com
trafficcashgold.com
zooted.com
wickedbucks.com
vividcash.com
flyntdigital.com
candidcash.com
platinumbucks.com
sexedcash.com
epiccash.com
adultmegacash.com
jerocash.com
pornkings.com
dormbucks.com
adultpaymaster.com
chichiclicks.com
creamycash.com
gloryholecitycash.com
ddgcash.com


People, let's keep things in perspective.
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damn this is awful! Im pulling my own links too!
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I just got back home from my delayed flight back from Vegas, Any of my accounts that I have helped can reach me on ICQ tomorrow to talk about all this on a one on one basis if you like..

First off let me just state that this boycot shit is totally ludacris.

This was purely a business decission, it is something that we did to protect our business, we want to ensure that Epic Cash will be there to continue to make our affiliates money.

We support the fight that everyone has been going through, (I myself) have donated plenty of resources to this fight, and for you all to say this kind of shit fucked up and is pure bullshit.

Call the IMPA lawyers, see what they say about the stuff I have tried to help with as far as previous art, I was a BBS sysop before getting into the internet.

Talk all the sellout shit you want, the fact is we had to do what is right as a business decision for us and our affiliates, our personal beliefs might conflict with business, but we all know that business and personal shit is different..

I'm so tired and I will talk to anyone I can tomorrow on this, I just need a few hours of sleep at least..
I have only recently signed up to Epic Cash, and haven't really sent any traffic yet. I was not willing to not promote them based "solely" on the fact they signed with Acacia. However, as this thread went along, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of the people here representing Epic truly scared me. I was seriously thinking "No way in fucking hell these are people I care to promote." Their responses to affiliates such as
"Who are you?"
"I don't need your 3 clicks" etc.
Was truly pathetic. Then along came media. Thank you for bringing some maturity and respect to your company.
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I have only recently signed up to Epic Cash, and haven't really sent any traffic yet. I was not willing to not promote them based "solely" on the fact they signed with Acacia. However, as this thread went along, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of the people here representing Epic truly scared me. I was seriously thinking "No way in fucking hell these are people I care to promote." Their responses to affiliates such as
"Who are you?"
"I don't need your 3 clicks" etc.
Was truly pathetic. Then along came media. Thank you for bringing some maturity and respect to your company.
who are you?

lol j/k

you must not be very bright to actually take the time to respond to this thread about how un professional we are. did you even read it? I will respond to threads in a professional way once someone has something professional to say.

some dumbass wants to boycott us cause we made the same business decission that 50 other companies did? is that even logical thinking?
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One other point here........

I don't agree with the title of this thread, from the standpoint that it is not right to single out only one company on Acacia's list of those who have settled. It is not right to single one out like this and yell for a boycott. It comes off as being quite malicious.

The list is actually THIS long.....


smutbucks.com
primecash.com
falcondollars.com
megapornbucks.com
cecash.com
venuscash.com
buttbucks.com
ten.com
trafficcashgold.com
zooted.com
wickedbucks.com
vividcash.com
flyntdigital.com
candidcash.com
platinumbucks.com
sexedcash.com
epiccash.com
adultmegacash.com
jerocash.com
pornkings.com
dormbucks.com
adultpaymaster.com
chichiclicks.com
creamycash.com
gloryholecitycash.com
ddgcash.com


People, let's keep things in perspective.

and on this list I tried to send quality traffic to 90% of these sponsors on this list and guess what? they are all shaving the fuck out everyone or is it just me.. I also think there's a few missing on this list.. whats up with the over all future of the online industry.. the shill list above will surely grow with time..
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I have only recently signed up to Epic Cash, and haven't really sent any traffic yet. I was not willing to not promote them based "solely" on the fact they signed with Acacia. However, as this thread went along, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of the people here representing Epic truly scared me. I was seriously thinking "No way in fucking hell these are people I care to promote." Their responses to affiliates such as
"Who are you?"
"I don't need your 3 clicks" etc.
Was truly pathetic. Then along came media. Thank you for bringing some maturity and respect to your company.
Don't get too riled up over the board pissing ... I've known Trey and Media for 5 yrs and trust me, they care about every click. Saying something like 'noooo, please don't remove our links' kinda ruins your street cred though.
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and on this list I tried to send quality traffic to 90% of these sponsors on this list and guess what? they are all shaving the fuck out everyone or is it just me.. I also think there's a few missing on this list.. whats up with the over all future of the online industry.. the shill list above will surely grow with time..
man are you for real???

all you do is call someone cheats or shaving fucks.
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ok. so cecash is on the list...
Should we stop using ARS now? ARS is using CEmags on their exits, so ARS is supporting accacia aswell now? Fight accacia, don't fight each other.
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ok. so cecash is on the list...
Should we stop using ARS now? ARS is using CEmags on their exits, so ARS is supporting accacia aswell now? Fight accacia, don't fight each other.
Yeah, you should stop using ARS... for other reasons as well
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Don't get too riled up over the board pissing ... I've known Trey and Media for 5 yrs and trust me, they care about every click. Saying something like 'noooo, please don't remove our links' kinda ruins your street cred though.
Oh, I am not riled up at all. Just thought I would comment. I think if either of them had handled it the way media did from the get-go, there may not have been a pissing match. OK, it is GFY, but maybe they would not have looked so stupid. The response I get from p1mpdogg is that I am not very bright? Yes p1mpdogg I read the entire stupid thread. Epic Cash will not be on the new ads I put up this week. While that may not be a big deal to p1mpdogg, it is a matter of ethics for me. I would not have replied to this thread at all, except I wanted to congratulate media on his maturity. I am sure others are sitting back as well thinking the same as I am. Way to run a business.
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If you did it to protect your affiliates, how will acacia know whom to pass by and whom to go after? Information on affiliates must be shared at some point, no?
Acacia has been contacting people over matters that don't involve hosting video, and this is what Epic is talking about. If you link to Epic, now you don't need to worry about Acacia suing you over contributing to patent infringement involving Epic.

So if you run a TGP or submit galleries and don't host any video yourself and only link to sponsors who've signed, Acacia can't touch you in court.

As far as I know they haven't actually filed suit against anyone just for linking, but you've got to believe they'll start testing that in court at some point this year. It's only a matter of time before a large TGP who doesn't host video and only links to unsigned sponsers is served.
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Oh, I am not riled up at all. Just thought I would comment. I think if either of them had handled it the way media did from the get-go, there may not have been a pissing match. OK, it is GFY, but maybe they would not have looked so stupid. The response I get from p1mpdogg is that I am not very bright? Yes p1mpdogg I read the entire stupid thread. Epic Cash will not be on the new ads I put up this week. While that may not be a big deal to p1mpdogg, it is a matter of ethics for me. I would not have replied to this thread at all, except I wanted to congratulate media on his maturity. I am sure others are sitting back as well thinking the same as I am. Way to run a business.
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You weren't even linking to them you dumb hick.

I know that for a FACT.

Shouldn't you be more worried about that well hung Nigerian your wife's been blowing?
OH shit, haha

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you fucking ingrate!

you have mistaken me with Candice,
fucking her in the ass and me is not the same effect,
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Wizzo, I like PimpDog and you always seemed cool but you aren't going to change anyones mind. Some people would rather the right way prevail vs making more money in the meantime. 99% of people tossed the Acacia letters in the trash, that should tell you something about how many care for their bogus claims.
Wow, Stocktrader and I agree on something.

Wizzo, you're a great guy. The company you work for however, made the wrong decision in *my* opinion. You guys just helped open the door to more lawsuits and licenses and helped fund it all.
USA Video has already stated publically that the list of Acacia licensees will be their first stop when they turn to adult. You guys on the list have set a precedent that you roll over easily.
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My take on this is 1) why single out Epic? 2) at least theygot some protection for THEIR webmasters out of the deal.
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What the fuck, I know you guys aren't that dense...

The deal we made included that they couldn't sue us or our affiliates that promote us, now if you promote someone else, we have no control over that.

We are just trying to protect us and our own, we have no way of protecting you if promote someone else, and why should we?
Am sure this has been covered but too lazy to read 4 pages

You did not settle to protect your affiliates to say so is an insult to anyone with a shred of intelligence

Why don't you state the facts, you settled in EC's own best interest

Nothing wrong with acting in your best interests, that's admirable

Trying to candywrap it as doing it for your affiliates is deplorable and insulting
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Am sure this has been covered but too lazy to read 4 pages

You did not settle to protect your affiliates to say so is an insult to anyone with a shred of intelligence

Why don't you state the facts, you settled in EC's own best interest

Nothing wrong with acting in your best interests, that's admirable

Trying to candywrap it as doing it for your affiliates is deplorable and insulting
Without Affiliates, what good is a affiliate program?
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USA Video has already stated publically that the list of Acacia licensees will be their first stop when they turn to adult. You guys on the list have set a precedent that you roll over easily.
No one wants to address this point. I guess we'll have to wait until that fateful day when programs start receiving letters from this company demanding money for their patent..... then it may begin to dawn on some as to what they've done to themselves and to the adult industry.
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Without Affiliates, what good is a affiliate program?
Wizzo save the candywrapping for someone who's buying it

EC and all the companies that have settled did so in what they believe is their own best interest

Not to save their affiliates (and I am not 100% certain that any agreement so far with Acacia covers affiliates, not saying it doesn't but if you b.s. once it's not a far stretch to b.s. twice.... plus Acacia is a extortion operation so can you trust them, even with what your attorneys say)

but to do what is best for that particular company

Again that's great

To try to sell it is something else to anyone who knows better is stupid and insulting

Just admit it
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we held out for 3 months.

yea we sold out. big deal.

when you have a successful business at risk, you do what you have todo to.

our affiliates are protected.

get fucked if you dont agree with OUR decission. its our business to run how we see fit.
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if we support programs who support Acacia, arent we in turn supporting Acacia as well?
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Absolutely. Good point.
he had a point in that comment?

Just because someone settles with someone else that is sueing them over some bullshit, that means they are supporting them?

have you ever ran a business? if so, how long did it last?
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yea we sold out. big deal.

get fucked if you dont agree with OUR decission.
'Nuff said then. Tut-tut, cheerio and all that rot.
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... this thread needs a BUMP ... pipmdog, can you handle another extra 30 webmaster signups to your great proggy ??
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Yeah, but you can still be in opposition even after having sold out ;)

Just because you sign a contract doesn't mean you can't question its legitimacy in the future, does it?
Do a search on this board for Acacia and read up. Go to Fight The Patent's site and read up. Go to Impai.org and read up.
Acacia's contract includes the condition that you can't support a fight against them (at least under the same name). If you do, it invalidates your license.
The only caveat to this that I've seen is if you support the fight first, then sign with Acacia. Your name can then appear on the list with no harm to you, but I believe you're barred from further contributing to the fight. (Again, under the same name.)
Note: I don't have a contract with Acacia, I haven't signed, this is what I've been told by people who *do* have a copy of the contract.

Also I've seen you mention a couple of times now that the companies can get a "reversal" and get their money back.
No they can't. If the patent is invalidated, all monies that companies have paid to Acacia is gone. Period. There is no getting it back.
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All this discussion of affiliates being protected .....

I'd really like to have a competent, impartial attorney who is familiar with the case and Acacia and has review the agreements stating that instead of companies who licensed with Acacia

Acacia has a very interesting way of presenting things

If you remember Berman on the radio said Acacia wouldn't double dip when in fact Acacia is trying to triple dip (at least from my perspective)
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Also I've seen you mention a couple of times now that the companies can get a "reversal" and get their money back.
No they can't. If the patent is invalidated, all monies that companies have paid to Acacia is gone. Period. There is no getting it back.
Everyone, please fucking read this and undertstand it.
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"if we support programs who support Acacia, arent we in turn supporting Acacia as well?"

Thats the absolute truth.
% of profits is a big deal. Correct me if I am wrong but from what I have read thus far from documentation...

Earnings of the company are based on % for liscening.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

This shits a cancer and the head has to be cut off somewhere.

If not by the Patent Laws the USPTO grants then a little further down the neck will have to suffice. Problem is no one is serious.
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Everyone, please fucking read this and undertstand it.
why is that important? its not like its your money.

what we paid them was part of the contract to protect us and our affiliates. If I have to spend thousands to stay in business and continue paying out what we do to affiliates, I guess I will have to bite the bullet right?

or i suppose I could take your stupid advice and just ignore it and get sued, and spend thousands more on my defense? yea real logical from a business standpoint. brilliant.
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"if we support programs who support Acacia, arent we in turn supporting Acacia as well?"

Thats the absolute truth.
% of profits is a big deal. Correct me if I am wrong but from what I have read thus far from documentation...

Earnings of the company are based on % for liscening.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

This shits a cancer and the head has to be cut off somewhere.

If not by the Patent Laws the USPTO grants then a little further down the neck will have to suffice. Problem is no one is serious.
do you have 100 million to fight them with? I know I dont.

put your money where your mouth is.
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do you have 100 million to fight them with? I know I dont.

put your money where your mouth is.
Not to change subjects, but do you still use the Reboom affiliate software?
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