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GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by Baal
Again, I prefer rev-share products, so my take on this matter is a bit different than most.

Do you have the time to give me an honest opinion on our members area?

ICQ?
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Rorschach · 01-02-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Meloman

Good point. I have to agree that it would be nice to be able to check stats anywhere and not worry about porn on the screen.

Like I was thinking about once Airplanes have high speed access available. Would be cool to sit on the laptop checking stats and stuff and not worry about it.

It's very easy to write a stat checking script (a la statsremote), I am sure that you could get one written super cheap... it also means that you can use whatever kind of interface you want, and integrate it with your own click counting scripts/ accounting scripts etc.

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach

It's very easy to write a stat checking script (a la statsremote), I am sure that you could get one written super cheap... it also means that you can use whatever kind of interface you want, and integrate it with your own click counting scripts/ accounting scripts etc.

If memory serves SinEmpire Brad used to have a link to a free one. I've never downloaded it, installed it, or tried it so that's as much info I can give about it. I believe it was called statscube(?) I could be wrong though.

Rorschach · 01-02-2004, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn
also about free hosted galleries - who would you say has the best out there right now?

Hosted galleries are actually something that gets up my nose. I promote strictly through SEs and so all the costs are my own, all the sponsor has to do is sit there and get my good quality traffic. It pisses me off that my payouts are subsidizing putting together and hosting sponsor hosted galleries, plus free hosting, free content or whatever.

extreme · 01-02-2004, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by GSpotShawn

noted

also about free hosted galleries - who would you say has the best out there right now?

Some of the <a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=89">nscash</a> galleries have converted madly w/ my TGPtraffic (under 1:100 w/ default TGP traffic). Dollars4babes has pretty galleries with huge pictures, but convert like crap for me (0:9796 last month). <a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=128">Sunnydollars</a> FHGs are pretty elite, 1:1147 for the last months (pure TGP => FHG traffic, 13764 hits). They do redir some foreign traffic to dialers .. but on the other side I do get paid for it as well.

<a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=126">extreme paychecks</a> are elite .. ~1:600 last month with tgp=>fhg. And they have over 4000 hosted galleries. Kick ass.

... so many more but thoose were some that came to mind.

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornanza
you send me emails promoting new sites you have, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites.

you send me emails telling me you have new hosted gallaries, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites.

Noted

Quote:

there are lots more quibbles like these - things where the sponsor should just spend that little extra time, making sure their software is as user friendly as can be.

I'm asking for these "lots more quibbles"

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach

Hosted galleries are actually something that gets up my nose. I promote strictly through SEs and so all the costs are my own, all the sponsor has to do is sit there and get my good quality traffic. It pisses me off that my payouts are subsidizing putting together and hosting sponsor hosted galleries, plus free hosting, free content or whatever.

Is it the oversaturation aspect or the fact that webmasters need not invest anything themselves into promotion of a site? Zero investment usually does lead to oversaturation of a product but realistically if someone is serious about their business they will reinvest or perish, right?

There are people who are going to send N hits a day to a page hosted on a free affiliate server in hopes to get that first paycheck to reinvest into their own hosting and content.

Rorschach · 01-02-2004, 03:51 AM

Call me selfish but I don't really care what other affiliates are doing, I just know that if it wasn't for the fact that some of the money from the sales I send was going to funding sponsor hosted galleries, I could be getting paid more.

pornanza · 01-02-2004, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn

I'm asking for these "lots more quibbles"

ok

sponsors using MPA, where hosted gallery links are in text boxes 6/page, really pisses me off.

"keep me logged in" buttons that don't work - Adult Platinum are just one example of this.

Affiliates that use IDs as the login and not a specified username, there is no reason for this!

some things that have been said before: sponsor sites with porn all over the place & the over use of flash animations.

ryan

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach
Call me selfish but I don't really care what other affiliates are doing, I just know that if it wasn't for the fact that some of the money from the sales I send was going to funding sponsor hosted galleries, I could be getting paid more.

Yes and no. The more that's cut from a program's promotional materials the less expenses for that program. There are some programs which offer thousands of hosted galleries, and some offer a handful - generally they have the same affiliate payout ($25,$30,$35) (40/60,50/50,60/40); and I think it's a number/percentage that's reached after a calculation of many, many other variables. Point being, I don't think the funding for hosted materials comes from your cut of the payout.

pornanza · 01-02-2004, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach
Call me selfish but I don't really care what other affiliates are doing, I just know that if it wasn't for the fact that some of the money from the sales I send was going to funding sponsor hosted galleries, I could be getting paid more.

boxes & bandwidth are extremely cheap

ryan

SomeCreep · 01-02-2004, 04:11 AM

Not getting replies to my emails.

Mack · 01-02-2004, 04:24 AM

I am over signing into my sponser to check stats and seeing
a BULLSHIT top list with bogus conversion numbers.

Browntrout fishermen: 1:12
Taking a Facial for a green card: 1:40
Black Chickz 1:42
Playing the hairy bagpipe: 1:68

Listen sponser, this is bullshit. you know it, I know it. is it possible? Maybe for ONE or TWO guys who have their traffic filtered but not for the avg for ANY day. Hell my 0:10000 Damn near kills the Idea of anything you have being 1:40 .

So stop kidding us and yourself. Be accurate or don't list conversions.

PS> the I will help you convert threads and offers are also annoying. Anyone who was ever in a spot where they were not converting and rec'd this help knows what I am talking about.

Sponser: " What kind of Traffic are you sending?"
Affiliate: TGP traffic.
Sponser: Ahhhhh. You see TGP traffic doesn't convert as well as some other types of traffic.
Affiliate: oh
Sponser: I have reviewed your site, Looks GOOD

You may want to replace you top banner however. I would suggest you put 4 125X150 thumbs connected to our " Cash so fast you will never see any program" This coverts excellent with any traffic.

Have a good and safe New Year .

Mack

mikeeee · 01-02-2004, 04:34 AM

Sponsors who's owners have 20 million posts on GFY and attack other webmasters on a baord. I think the problem there is the industry being infested with 17 year old webmasters.

Anyway, keep your hosted galleries public, I understand protecting free content, but keep the galleries public. Theyre used more than anything else, and they all lead to your sites, so make it easy.

Dirty F · 01-02-2004, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mack
I am over signing into my sponser to check stats and seeing
a BULLSHIT top list with bogus conversion numbers.

Browntrout fishermen: 1:12
Taking a Facial for a green card: 1:40
Black Chickz 1:42
Playing the hairy bagpipe: 1:68

Listen sponser, this is bullshit. you know it, I know it. is it possible? Maybe for ONE or TWO guys who have their traffic filtered but not for the avg for ANY day. Hell my 0:10000 Damn near kills the Idea of anything you have being 1:40 .

So stop kidding us and yourself. Be accurate or don't list conversions.

PS> the I will help you convert threads and offers are also annoying. Anyone who was ever in a spot where they were not converting and rec'd this help knows what I am talking about.

Sponser: " What kind of Traffic are you sending?"
Affiliate: TGP traffic.
Sponser: Ahhhhh. You see TGP traffic doesn't convert as well as some other types of traffic.
Affiliate: oh
Sponser: I have reviewed your site, Looks GOOD You may want to replace you top banner however. I would suggest you put 4 125X150 thumbs connected to our " Cash so fast you will never see any program" This coverts excellent with any traffic.

Have a good and safe New Year .

Mack

I so agree with you.

Im so tired of every sponsor claiming they do 1:120...bullshit! Big bullshit. Sure you have 1 or 2 affiliates with those stats but while everybody generally is doing 1:600 to 1:1000 and you claim 1:100 youre full of shit.

Mack · 01-02-2004, 09:17 AM

Thanks for letting me know I am not the only on Battuss.

while I will agree somethings convert better than others, I
just can't see 1:100 on avg for all affiliates on any site with any sponser. and when I go to my sponser pages and I see.

1:72 and I sent them 2000 clicks that would mean everyone else did better than 1:72??? who carried my 1:2000? Tell me the avg is 1:600 I might not achieve that but I can see it happining overall.

wake up sponsers. Your newbies will sign up EVEN IF YOUR HONEST. and will probably cause you less grief if they have a real expectation of what to expect.

JFPdude · 01-02-2004, 09:29 AM

I generally tend to go with sponsors that I know and specially when I know thier crews.

Oh and when they buy me lap dances in Vegas thats cool too.

Fuck ICQ give me a call Shawn.

kristin · 01-02-2004, 09:31 AM

Affiliates who see a post and must spam their program when others are just looking for some useful info.

strobi · 01-02-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by SmutGiant
programs that have to be chased for months for a damn check

Carrie · 01-02-2004, 10:11 AM

Stats/affiliates areas that use frames (Maxcash).
Areas where you have to login multiple times just to freaking see a message board (Maxcash).
No referring URLs (my own doesn't but we're moving to Epoch so we can! woohoo!)
No way to skip or go around the damn Flash (props to Silvercash for keeping the plain HTML login)
CONTENT WITH FULL FUCKING URLS ON THE PICTURES. Your logo is fine. Giving the surfers an entire URL to type in and go around my affiliate link is NOT (Adult.com)
Not being able to go in and see the site (Maxcash). Yeah the reviews are nice but they're not the same as me seeing it myself and being able to describe it in my OWN words to my OWN traffic.
Sites that have nothing to do with the niches they're supposed to be centered around. Like seeing girls in stockings on a supposed pantyhose site tour. Or girls in thongs on a panty site tour. Or tranny sites that talk all about being gay (tranny surfers are STRAIGHT, idiots!). Or smoking sites with a girl sticking a cigarette in her twat - instant turnoff to smoking surfers. Know your damn niche before you make a site for it, or at least hire a designer who knows the damn niche.
Tours with more leaks than an amateur girl's "friends" page. Offers for DVDs, free porn signups, eraser software... all hardlinked from the tour. The point is to get the surfer to sign up for the SITE. Offer him this crap after he decides NOT TO sign up for the site, not as an alternative to the site.
No way to turn off popups.
Confusing fucking linking codes or webmaster areas in general (CECash).
Having to sign up multiple times to promote one program's offerings (CECash, Join Right Now, etc etc) - and then especially when the different signup forms all have different max input fields so in one you can put a 7-letter login but in another you can only use a 5-letter login (CECash).
Mentioning "bling" anywhere on your webmaster site/area. Fucking please. I'm not 15.
Treating your affiliates/clients like the scum of the earth when they dare to mention your program in less than glowing terms on a message board (Ibill - yeah they're not a sponsor but they're the first to come to mind with this bullshit.)
Pre-checked cross-sells on your join page. Period. If you're going to fuck the surfer over then god knows what you'll do to me.
Blaming a webmaster's traffic when their ratios shoot from 1:72 to 1:3500 overnight when they've done nothing different.
Not answering emails.
Flat-out lying rather than just admitting it, apologizing and moving on when you're caught red-handed (PIBCash, Matrix).

Have I missed pissing off anyone?

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

I so agree with you.

Im so tired of every sponsor claiming they do 1:120...bullshit! Big bullshit. Sure you have 1 or 2 affiliates with those stats but while everybody generally is doing 1:600 to 1:1000 and you claim 1:100 youre full of shit.

just because you do not know how to convert traffic, doesnt mean others cant. you are not a webmaster even are you? just some surfer hanging out enjoying free porn?

what a dumbass

Dirty D · 01-02-2004, 01:01 PM

This is a great thread!

We are always ready to work with current and potential partners.

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Mack · 01-02-2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

just because you do not know how to convert traffic, doesnt mean others cant.

-p1mpdogg

I don't want my point to be misunderstood. Let's just say I can't convert. REALLY can't convert. Traffic is good I just can sell shit.
I send your program 5K. I go 0:5000 . How many webmasters
doing better than
1:20
1:85
1:91
1:127
1:142
1:147
1:162
1:182
1:186
1:199

would it take In order for a sponser to make claims such as this.

I am not saying these numbers are impossible. ( I can't do it but heh) My problem is while A webmaster in a program ( A, one, uno) may have done these numbers one day. They can not possibly be the Average for all affilites of a given program. Yet this is how it is presented.

People new to a program may expect these numbers. Webmasters with time is the biz may not. But how do sponsers think a webmaster feels or reacts when he sees 1:20 and they have gone 0:600 or 0:1500 or 0:5000 .

I am happy with my sponsers. but the question was for affiliates asking us what sponsers do that bothers us.

Nima · 01-02-2004, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by extreme

Some of the <a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=89">nscash</a> galleries have converted madly w/ my TGPtraffic (under 1:100 w/ default TGP traffic). Dollars4babes has pretty galleries with huge pictures, but convert like crap for me (0:9796 last month). <a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=128">Sunnydollars</a> FHGs are pretty elite, 1:1147 for the last months (pure TGP => FHG traffic, 13764 hits). They do redir some foreign traffic to dialers .. but on the other side I do get paid for it as well.

<a href="http://www.signupsluts.com/sponsor_redir.php?id=126">extreme paychecks</a> are elite .. ~1:600 last month with tgp=>fhg. And they have over 4000 hosted galleries. Kick ass.

... so many more but thoose were some that came to mind.

extreme if you are still reading this thread hit me up on icq please

63125103

or let meknow your info.
thanks

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

The question was for affiliates asking us what sponsers do that bothers us.

Right on the money, it was. I do like seeing sponsors get involved with POSITIVE input, please don't turn this into a program bashing thread. Board whores will be board whores, but keep the immaturity to a minimum.

Sarah_Jayne · 01-02-2004, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
programs that don't show me all the stats, i want to see everything raw, unique, how many clicked through etc

also programs that shave

and refferal stats - I want them!

01-02-2004, 04:11 AM	#62
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Not getting replies to my emails. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

01-02-2004, 09:31 AM	#68
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	Affiliates who see a post and must spam their program when others are just looking for some useful info. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

01-02-2004, 01:01 PM	#72
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	This is a great thread! We are always ready to work with current and potential partners. http://www.HowIgotRich.com - 2004 BONUS Announced! Anyone with suggestions on how to improve our program, please email me! [email protected] Hit me up at InterNext for some Dirty D cash! __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

01-02-2004, 03:51 AM	#58
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	Call me selfish but I don't really care what other affiliates are doing, I just know that if it wasn't for the fact that some of the money from the sales I send was going to funding sponsor hosted galleries, I could be getting paid more.

01-02-2004, 04:24 AM	#63
Mack Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,017	I am over signing into my sponser to check stats and seeing a BULLSHIT top list with bogus conversion numbers. Browntrout fishermen: 1:12 Taking a Facial for a green card: 1:40 Black Chickz 1:42 Playing the hairy bagpipe: 1:68 Listen sponser, this is bullshit. you know it, I know it. is it possible? Maybe for ONE or TWO guys who have their traffic filtered but not for the avg for ANY day. Hell my 0:10000 Damn near kills the Idea of anything you have being 1:40 . So stop kidding us and yourself. Be accurate or don't list conversions. PS> the I will help you convert threads and offers are also annoying. Anyone who was ever in a spot where they were not converting and rec'd this help knows what I am talking about. Sponser: " What kind of Traffic are you sending?" Affiliate: TGP traffic. Sponser: Ahhhhh. You see TGP traffic doesn't convert as well as some other types of traffic. Affiliate: oh Sponser: I have reviewed your site, Looks GOOD You may want to replace you top banner however. I would suggest you put 4 125X150 thumbs connected to our " Cash so fast you will never see any program" This coverts excellent with any traffic. Have a good and safe New Year . Mack

01-02-2004, 04:34 AM	#64
mikeeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 481	Sponsors who's owners have 20 million posts on GFY and attack other webmasters on a baord. I think the problem there is the industry being infested with 17 year old webmasters. Anyway, keep your hosted galleries public, I understand protecting free content, but keep the galleries public. Theyre used more than anything else, and they all lead to your sites, so make it easy.

01-02-2004, 09:17 AM	#66
Mack Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,017	Thanks for letting me know I am not the only on Battuss. while I will agree somethings convert better than others, I just can't see 1:100 on avg for all affiliates on any site with any sponser. and when I go to my sponser pages and I see. 1:72 and I sent them 2000 clicks that would mean everyone else did better than 1:72??? who carried my 1:2000? Tell me the avg is 1:600 I might not achieve that but I can see it happining overall. wake up sponsers. Your newbies will sign up EVEN IF YOUR HONEST. and will probably cause you less grief if they have a real expectation of what to expect.

01-02-2004, 09:29 AM	#67
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	I generally tend to go with sponsors that I know and specially when I know thier crews. Oh and when they buy me lap dances in Vegas thats cool too. Fuck ICQ give me a call Shawn.

01-02-2004, 10:11 AM	#70
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Stats/affiliates areas that use frames (Maxcash). Areas where you have to login multiple times just to freaking see a message board (Maxcash). No referring URLs (my own doesn't but we're moving to Epoch so we can! woohoo!) No way to skip or go around the damn Flash (props to Silvercash for keeping the plain HTML login) CONTENT WITH FULL FUCKING URLS ON THE PICTURES. Your logo is fine. Giving the surfers an entire URL to type in and go around my affiliate link is NOT (Adult.com) Not being able to go in and see the site (Maxcash). Yeah the reviews are nice but they're not the same as me seeing it myself and being able to describe it in my OWN words to my OWN traffic. Sites that have nothing to do with the niches they're supposed to be centered around. Like seeing girls in stockings on a supposed pantyhose site tour. Or girls in thongs on a panty site tour. Or tranny sites that talk all about being gay (tranny surfers are STRAIGHT, idiots!). Or smoking sites with a girl sticking a cigarette in her twat - instant turnoff to smoking surfers. Know your damn niche before you make a site for it, or at least hire a designer who knows the damn niche. Tours with more leaks than an amateur girl's "friends" page. Offers for DVDs, free porn signups, eraser software... all hardlinked from the tour. The point is to get the surfer to sign up for the SITE. Offer him this crap after he decides NOT TO sign up for the site, not as an alternative to the site. No way to turn off popups. Confusing fucking linking codes or webmaster areas in general (CECash). Having to sign up multiple times to promote one program's offerings (CECash, Join Right Now, etc etc) - and then especially when the different signup forms all have different max input fields so in one you can put a 7-letter login but in another you can only use a 5-letter login (CECash). Mentioning "bling" anywhere on your webmaster site/area. Fucking please. I'm not 15. Treating your affiliates/clients like the scum of the earth when they dare to mention your program in less than glowing terms on a message board (Ibill - yeah they're not a sponsor but they're the first to come to mind with this bullshit.) Pre-checked cross-sells on your join page. Period. If you're going to fuck the surfer over then god knows what you'll do to me. Blaming a webmaster's traffic when their ratios shoot from 1:72 to 1:3500 overnight when they've done nothing different. Not answering emails. Flat-out lying rather than just admitting it, apologizing and moving on when you're caught red-handed (PIBCash, Matrix). Have I missed pissing off anyone?