affiliates : things that bother you - GoFuckYourself.com

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 01:31 AM

It's 3:30AM here and I want to know what bothers you about most, if not all, affiliate programs. Payout amount? Payout schedule? Not enough hosted etc... You get the idea.

serious · 01-02-2004, 01:34 AM

programs that don't show me all the stats, i want to see everything raw, unique, how many clicked through etc

also programs that shave

Roger · 01-02-2004, 01:35 AM

Not enough signups, that's what bothers me.

SmutGiant · 01-02-2004, 01:36 AM

programs that have to be chased for months for a damn check

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by serious
programs that don't show me all the stats, i want to see everything raw, unique, how many clicked through etc

also programs that shave

we have very detailed stats.. raw, unique, 1st page, refering url etc etc etc

see sig

TDF · 01-02-2004, 01:37 AM

affiliate support who cant help me

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by SmutGiant
programs that have to be chased for months for a damn check

we pay on time every time

10th and 24th of every month. you can set your watch by it.

paypal, epassporte,check and wire

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
affiliate support who cant help me

icq 141588569
AIM EpcCsh
email [email protected]

no excuses now d0g

fuzebox · 01-02-2004, 01:39 AM

p1mpdogg, your spam is the best

TDF · 01-02-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg

icq 141588569
AIM EpcCsh
email [email protected]

no excuses now d0g

u and media always help me bitch

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
programs that don't show me all the stats, i want to see everything raw, unique, how many clicked through etc

also programs that shave

More on the topic of stats
Does being able to log in to the processor (ibill,ccbill,epoch) and see stats come up high on your list of priorities when choosing a sponsor?

SmutGiant · 01-02-2004, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by GSpotShawn

More on the topic of stats
Does being able to log in to the processor (ibill,ccbill,epoch) and see stats come up high on your list of priorities when choosing a sponsor?

actually yes, that would totally kick ass on a pay-per-signup sponsor

edit: although I have yet to see a PPS sponsor do that...

flashfire · 01-02-2004, 01:45 AM

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programs that have to be chased for months for a damn check

That and shaving

fuzebox · 01-02-2004, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by GSpotShawn
It's 3:30AM here and I want to know what bothers you about most, if not all, affiliate programs. Payout amount? Payout schedule? Not enough hosted etc... You get the idea.

I don't like sponsors who use flash or porn in their webmaster sections. I'm not a surfer, I don't need to be wowed with animations and sound effects every time I log in, and already know what tits look like, I'd like to be able to safely check stats in a public environment.

MetaMan · 01-02-2004, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
affiliate support who cant help me

yes i agree, i hate talking to idiots over icq, give me wat i want now or i am dropping ur program.

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by MetaMan

yes i agree, i hate talking to idiots over icq, give me wat i want now or i am dropping ur program.

u want a BJ, some speed? name your poison and you got it

MetaMan · 01-02-2004, 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg

u want a BJ, some speed? name your poison and you got it

i need a bazooka and a blue popsicle,

god i dont ask for much,

THIS COFFEE IS TO HOT! MAKE ME ANOTHER!

*spits out coffee*

DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELF!?

MadCap · 01-02-2004, 01:56 AM

you know what bothers the fuck out of me is the fact that up untill 3 days ago I hadnt talked to localg in allmost a year.

Never mind i got sick and was out of the loop for allmost 7 months but me and him got into the biz within about 2 months of each other and he has been a good friend ever since. I'm just talking about the fact that hes my fuckin boy and i missed him .( i hope that dosent sound gay but i really dont give a fuck cause like i said hes still my boy and one of the few i would consider a true friend in this biz.)

G ROCKS MAN AND ANYONE THAT SAYS DIFFERENT CAN DEAL WITH ME.

You joined a good crew man you gonna be in vegas id like to meet ya me and g are sitting at the same poker table so ill see him but would like to meet the rest of the team too.

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by fuzebox

I don't like sponsors who use flash or porn in their webmaster sections. I'm not a surfer, I don't need to be wowed with animations and sound effects every time I log in, and already know what tits look like, I'd like to be able to safely check stats in a public environment.

Do you dislike flash, or just flash containing adult images?

Rorschach · 01-02-2004, 01:57 AM

Shitty stats that don't show referrers, especially for sales.

Useless slow/ incompetent support.

Fucking around with the payments and not telling you first.

And flash/ graphic heavy webmaster sites, just gimme the info I want cleanly and quickly and with no bullshit.

beemk · 01-02-2004, 02:00 AM

programs with leaks. i dont want to see a ccbill sponsor accepting ibill checks and not give credit on it or sell dvds or anything and do the same, etc

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MadCap
You joined a good crew man you gonna be in vegas id like to meet ya me and g are sitting at the same poker table so ill see him but would like to meet the rest of the team too.

Looking forward to it man, Vegas is going to be an eye-opener for me being it's my first trip but I think I'm going with the right group of people. LocalG is a good guy, so far I haven't heard of anyone who is vocal of otherwise.

MadCap · 01-02-2004, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by GSpotShawn

I haven't heard of anyone who is vocal of otherwise.

Cause if they do there will be hell to pay.

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MadCap
Cause if they do there will be hell to pay.

serious · 01-02-2004, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
programs with leaks. i dont want to see a ccbill sponsor accepting ibill checks and not give credit on it or sell dvds or anything and do the same, etc

i forgot about this, this really irritates me

and i also agree with the fancy webmaster sections with flash and shit that just makes things harder to navigate/slower

Dirty F · 01-02-2004, 02:05 AM

Programs that spam as much as they can like epiccash...very, very annoying and unprofessional.

media · 01-02-2004, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

u and media always help me bitch

Can I sit on your lap in Vegas?

Media

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2004, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Programs that spam as much as they can like epiccash...very, very annoying and unprofessional.

haha

fuck off moron

Mr.Fiction · 01-02-2004, 02:09 AM

Stats that don't show the referrer for sales. Not just traffic referrers, but info for each actual sale. It is beneficial to both parties if the affiliate knows where the signups are coming from.

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Stats that don't show the referrer for sales. Not just traffic referrers, but info for each actual sale. It is beneficial to both parties if the affiliate knows where the signups are coming from.

I agree totally about the referring sales, it's a big help to know what you're doing right that is making the sales.

Pardon my ignorance but are there any programs out (pps or revshare) which show you referring stats for sales/raws/uniques and still allow you to log in to the processor?

Reason being I'm interested if there is a way to give more statistics about the traffic and not violate the trust we have with webmasters.

Dirty F · 01-02-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg

haha

fuck off moron

No you fuck off shitstain. Youre by far the most annoying and immature program owner out there. Why people do business with you is a mystery to me.

Meloman · 01-02-2004, 02:28 AM

I personaly tend to open multiple accounts up per sponsor so that I can track sales from various traffic sources seperatly. It's a pain in the ass to check stats and re-log into stats multiple times.

I personally like how Maxcash allows for sub id's and they all show up together when you log in. Makes checking stats really easy.

So I guess a feature I would like others to adopt then would be to either

1. offer sub ids that show up in 1 stats area JUST like maxcash does.

or

2. allow you to check multiple accounts from one spot.

Besides this all i need to know is uniques and referal urls and I'm good to go :-)

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Meloman
1. offer sub ids that show up in 1 stats area JUST like maxcash does.
or
2. allow you to check multiple accounts from one spot.

I like the multiple accounts from one spot theory, the only reason I'd prefer it over sub id's are that some variables from the are going to be lost regardless of how hard you try to track them. Still some traffic referral statistics are better then none.

TDF · 01-02-2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by media

Can I sit on your lap in Vegas?

Media

whoa whoa...one step at a time big boy...im not THAT easy

Baal · 01-02-2004, 02:37 AM

Great question.

* I want to see the raw referring URL that resulted in a sale. No editing, no interpretation... just show me the raw URL the the user clicked on that resulted in a sale, even if I add some extra variables into the URL that the program doesn't use at all (used for internal tracking).

* BYOT options, including a URL variable that lets me decide on what tour page to send my surfers to.

* Free content of the actual models available on the site. I like advertising what the buyer will actually see once they fork over their credit card number. I don't care if the content is over-used, since my porn traffic is largely clueless.

* Hosted galleries are always a good thing, although most tend to suck. It's nice to have a massive free option to dump my surfers onto if they're not buying my sales pitches.

* Don't offer to pay me $60 per signup and then shave my asshole clean. I tend to go rev-share with programs that seem solid, anyhow.

* A free membership is always a good thing (temporary is cool too); that way, I can see the site and know how to prep my surfers for what they can expect. I can get all the free porn I want, so it's not like most webmasters are going to abuse the free access. I am fucking sick of program-owners giving me the 3rd degree for daring to want to see the actual product that I'm trying to sell! Jeez...

Those are just a few off the top of my mind. I hope that all program-owners take these few pet-peeves to heart.

Good luck with your stuff, GSpotShawn

MadCap · 01-02-2004, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Meloman
I personaly tend to open multiple accounts up per sponsor so that I can track sales from various traffic sources seperatly. It's a pain in the ass to check stats and re-log into stats multiple times.

I personally like how Maxcash allows for sub id's and they all show up together when you log in. Makes checking stats really easy.

So I guess a feature I would like others to adopt then would be to either

1. offer sub ids that show up in 1 stats area JUST like maxcash does.

or

2. allow you to check multiple accounts from one spot.

Besides this all i need to know is uniques and referal urls and I'm good to go :-)

Yeah but nobody controls as much traffic as you pimp.

Allot of people dont know you and would never expect you are who you are if they did they would bow to the man.

I look forward to seeing you this year in vegas you gonna be at the same booth as last year.

And i just opened my new program and cant wait to talk to you this year.

You rock mellow

Meloman · 01-02-2004, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn

I like the multiple accounts from one spot theory, the only reason I'd prefer it over sub id's are that some variables from the are going to be lost regardless of how hard you try to track them. Still some traffic referral statistics are better then none.

I hear ya.

Idealy this is what I like:

ID 1, Joins, Revenue
ID 2, Joins, Revenue
ID 3, Joins, Revenue
ID 4, Joins, Revenue
Totals:

Then you can click on each id to go into it and see referal urls etc..

So basically log in once and you see all your different accounts broken out for you on 1 page and u can choose to see that day or the month.

Maxcash is the only one like this that I've seen.

TDF · 01-02-2004, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Meloman

I hear ya.

Idealy this is what I like:

ID 1, Joins, Revenue
ID 2, Joins, Revenue
ID 3, Joins, Revenue
ID 4, Joins, Revenue
Totals:

Then you can click on each id to go into it and see referal urls etc..

So basically log in once and you see all your different accounts broken out for you on 1 page and u can choose to see that day or the month.

Maxcash is the only one like this that I've seen.

wait till you see too much green

Meloman · 01-02-2004, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MadCap

Yeah but nobody controls as much traffic as you pimp.

Allot of people dont know you and would never expect you are who you are if they did they would bow to the man.

I look forward to seeing you this year in vegas you gonna be at the same booth as last year.

And i just opened my new program and cant wait to talk to you this year.

You rock mellow

Thanks man. With my personal traffic I think I hold my own pretty well :-)

The real traffic volume I control obviously is the Hustler, Vivid etc.. traffic from Webquest. By all means please stop by the booth and say what's up :-) I'll be bouncing between both our FlyntDigital and VividCash booths.

mule · 01-02-2004, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Programs that spam as much as they can like epiccash...very, very annoying and unprofessional.

Yeah, and use faked deaths or call people pedos if there aren't threads they can hijack to spam in.

fuzebox · 01-02-2004, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn

Do you dislike flash, or just flash containing adult images?

I disklike flash, and I dislike adult images in the webmasters sections... two separate things.

I just annoyed with useless animations and sound effects when I'm trying to get something done. I much prefer a fast and clean admin interface.

As for the adult images, it does seem weird, but I already know the sponsor sells porn. That's why I'm there. If I wanted to look at porn I'd just sign up like everyone else :P Just would like to be able to check stats without possibly making other people in the room uncomfortable, depending on who is present (gf, etc).

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by Baal
* A free membership is always a good thing (temporary is cool too); that way, I can see the site and know how to prep my surfers for what they can expect. I can get all the free porn I want, so it's not like most webmasters are going to abuse the free access. I am fucking sick of program-owners giving me the 3rd degree for daring to want to see the actual product that I'm trying to sell! Jeez...
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So typically you get rejected when asking for a login to the site you're promoting? Not cool. In my opinion you should always take a look at the members area especially when promoting revshare.

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Good luck with your stuff, GSpotShawn

Thanks

Meloman · 01-02-2004, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by fuzebox

Just would like to be able to check stats without possibly making other people in the room uncomfortable, depending on who is present (gf, etc).

Good point. I have to agree that it would be nice to be able to check stats anywhere and not worry about porn on the screen.

Like I was thinking about once Airplanes have high speed access available. Would be cool to sit on the laptop checking stats and stuff and not worry about it.

extreme · 01-02-2004, 02:57 AM

- Unnessesary flashanims.
- No easy cut 'n paste masterlist with site/fhg linkcodes.
- Crappy content in the fhgs (small pix ripped from movies for example).
- Lame stats with no referralinfo.
- No IM contact info.
- CCBill sponsors who dont give the option to "merge" your join under an existing CCBill account.
- No popupfree linkcodes.
- Own loginsollutions where I cant bookmark stats/member page and let browser send l/p with http basic authentication.

MadCap · 01-02-2004, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Meloman

Thanks man. With my personal traffic I think I hold my own pretty well :-)

The real traffic volume I control obviously is the Hustler, Vivid etc.. traffic from Webquest. By all means please stop by the booth and say what's up :-) I'll be bouncing between both our FlyntDigital and VividCash booths.

Uhhuh whatever man bosshawg introduced you to me about 3 years ago.

And from what I know you could bring a persignup program to its knees in a day if you wanted to.

You obviously didnt get where you are by not knowin your shit bro. I just wish i had the $$$$ to bring you on my team.

Any ways you are a cool cat man I have allways liked you and do look forward to hangin out in vegas. Hope you have a safe journey to the show and ill see ya soon playa.

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dirty F · 01-02-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by mule

Yeah, and use faked deaths or call people pedos if there aren't threads they can hijack to spam in.

Pretty lame eh...

GSpotShawn · 01-02-2004, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by extreme
- No popupfree linkcodes.

noted

also about free hosted galleries - who would you say has the best out there right now?

Baal · 01-02-2004, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn
So typically you get rejected when asking for a login to the site you're promoting? Not cool. In my opinion you should always take a look at the members area especially when promoting revshare.

If not rejected (rejected happens with about 1/2 of the major programs I've signed up as an affiliate with... the smaller programs seem to be a bit more flexible about this), then given the 3rd degree questioning about it before I convince them that I'm not some surfer looking for a free jerk.

To be honest, over 1/2 of the sites who let me have access to their site(s) just had (a) completely suck-ass site(s), so I didn't end up promoting them. But I shouldn't have to go through the 3rd-degree to see the product that I'm spending time and money to promote.

Again, I prefer rev-share products, so my take on this matter is a bit different than most. I'm not in this biz for a quick buck; I'm in it for tomorrow's paycheck as well.

pornanza · 01-02-2004, 03:19 AM

poor affiliate programme software.

you send me emails promoting new sites you have, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites.

you send me emails telling me you have new hosted gallaries, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites.

SoulCash sends decent emails out

there are lots more quibbles like these - things where the sponsor should just spend that little extra time, making sure their software is as user friendly as can be.

ryan

Smokey The Bear · 01-02-2004, 03:19 AM

#1 Popups

#2 Strange payout structures

#3 webmaster signups with no ref code.

#4 Sponsors cutting you out. ( 1-900 dialup no cut for webmaster etc.)

#5 Shady sponsors. ( lack of policing )

01-02-2004, 01:37 AM	#6
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	affiliate support who cant help me __________________ Sig heil

01-02-2004, 02:00 AM	#21
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	programs with leaks. i dont want to see a ccbill sponsor accepting ibill checks and not give credit on it or sell dvds or anything and do the same, etc __________________ I host with Vacares

01-02-2004, 02:09 AM	#29
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Stats that don't show the referrer for sales. Not just traffic referrers, but info for each actual sale. It is beneficial to both parties if the affiliate knows where the signups are coming from. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

01-02-2004, 02:57 AM	#44
extreme Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lalaland Posts: 2,120	- Unnessesary flashanims. - No easy cut 'n paste masterlist with site/fhg linkcodes. - Crappy content in the fhgs (small pix ripped from movies for example). - Lame stats with no referralinfo. - No IM contact info. - CCBill sponsors who dont give the option to "merge" your join under an existing CCBill account. - No popupfree linkcodes. - Own loginsollutions where I cant bookmark stats/member page and let browser send l/p with http basic authentication. __________________ Browse and find new paysites with screenshot-preview Export FHGs/FLVs/Paysites by JSON, XML, CSV and Text Find FHGs/FLVs/Paysites from any given Category or Search-query

01-02-2004, 03:19 AM	#49
pornanza Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East Village Posts: 238	poor affiliate programme software. you send me emails promoting new sites you have, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites. you send me emails telling me you have new hosted gallaries, yet you don't include the linking code to these sites. SoulCash sends decent emails out there are lots more quibbles like these - things where the sponsor should just spend that little extra time, making sure their software is as user friendly as can be. ryan __________________ Eskimo Hoe QuickWank Pornanza!

01-02-2004, 01:31 AM	#1
GSpotShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 389	affiliates : things that bother you It's 3:30AM here and I want to know what bothers you about most, if not all, affiliate programs. Payout amount? Payout schedule? Not enough hosted etc... You get the idea. __________________ ICQ: 157711456 - AIM: ParentAIM GSpotmoney - Adult Dating

01-02-2004, 01:34 AM	#2
serious Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,594	programs that don't show me all the stats, i want to see everything raw, unique, how many clicked through etc also programs that shave __________________ new search

01-02-2004, 01:35 AM	#3
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	Not enough signups, that's what bothers me.

01-02-2004, 01:36 AM	#4
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	programs that have to be chased for months for a damn check

01-02-2004, 01:39 AM	#9
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,130	p1mpdogg, your spam is the best

01-02-2004, 01:56 AM	#18
MadCap Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 137771650 Minneapolis MN Posts: 2,357	you know what bothers the fuck out of me is the fact that up untill 3 days ago I hadnt talked to localg in allmost a year. Never mind i got sick and was out of the loop for allmost 7 months but me and him got into the biz within about 2 months of each other and he has been a good friend ever since. I'm just talking about the fact that hes my fuckin boy and i missed him .( i hope that dosent sound gay but i really dont give a fuck cause like i said hes still my boy and one of the few i would consider a true friend in this biz.) G ROCKS MAN AND ANYONE THAT SAYS DIFFERENT CAN DEAL WITH ME. You joined a good crew man you gonna be in vegas id like to meet ya me and g are sitting at the same poker table so ill see him but would like to meet the rest of the team too.

01-02-2004, 01:57 AM	#20
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	Shitty stats that don't show referrers, especially for sales. Useless slow/ incompetent support. Fucking around with the payments and not telling you first. And flash/ graphic heavy webmaster sites, just gimme the info I want cleanly and quickly and with no bullshit.

01-02-2004, 02:05 AM	#26
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Programs that spam as much as they can like epiccash...very, very annoying and unprofessional.

01-02-2004, 02:28 AM	#32
Meloman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,540	I personaly tend to open multiple accounts up per sponsor so that I can track sales from various traffic sources seperatly. It's a pain in the ass to check stats and re-log into stats multiple times. I personally like how Maxcash allows for sub id's and they all show up together when you log in. Makes checking stats really easy. So I guess a feature I would like others to adopt then would be to either 1. offer sub ids that show up in 1 stats area JUST like maxcash does. or 2. allow you to check multiple accounts from one spot. Besides this all i need to know is uniques and referal urls and I'm good to go :-)

01-02-2004, 02:37 AM	#35
Baal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 696	Great question. * I want to see the raw referring URL that resulted in a sale. No editing, no interpretation... just show me the raw URL the the user clicked on that resulted in a sale, even if I add some extra variables into the URL that the program doesn't use at all (used for internal tracking). * BYOT options, including a URL variable that lets me decide on what tour page to send my surfers to. * Free content of the actual models available on the site. I like advertising what the buyer will actually see once they fork over their credit card number. I don't care if the content is over-used, since my porn traffic is largely clueless. * Hosted galleries are always a good thing, although most tend to suck. It's nice to have a massive free option to dump my surfers onto if they're not buying my sales pitches. * Don't offer to pay me $60 per signup and then shave my asshole clean. I tend to go rev-share with programs that seem solid, anyhow. * A free membership is always a good thing (temporary is cool too); that way, I can see the site and know how to prep my surfers for what they can expect. I can get all the free porn I want, so it's not like most webmasters are going to abuse the free access. I am fucking sick of program-owners giving me the 3rd degree for daring to want to see the actual product that I'm trying to sell! Jeez... Those are just a few off the top of my mind. I hope that all program-owners take these few pet-peeves to heart. Good luck with your stuff, GSpotShawn

01-02-2004, 03:19 AM	#50
Smokey The Bear So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Of Heaven™ Posts: 3,880	#1 Popups #2 Strange payout structures #3 webmaster signups with no ref code. #4 Sponsors cutting you out. ( 1-900 dialup no cut for webmaster etc.) #5 Shady sponsors. ( lack of policing )