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biskoppen · 12-22-2003, 03:25 PM

I'm sitting here unable to see my aff. ID in the source code of the signup page with ANY of my ccbill sponsors.

Why? Because you're using cookies only which steals like 30% of all sales I make.. (I don't know how much it steals, 30% just sounds good

)

What you need to do is to expand your system to save the IP of the surfer too and track signups on that too

Spare me for the "Why don't you just write them an email" posts .. you know just as well as me that it won't help shit..

I'm quite sure we're alot of people who'd like to see this feature being implemented ASAP

I know some people shares IP .. but I can't imagine that should be much of a problem..

Anyone who agrees with me please comment so CCBILL can see that I'm not the only one aware of this problem, people who disagree

who · 12-22-2003, 03:27 PM

How can they LISTEN to a post that is just a bunch of text?

biskoppen · 12-22-2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by .?.
How can they LISTEN to a post that is just a bunch of text?

I'll pretend I didn't hear that!

johnbosh · 12-22-2003, 03:36 PM

yup great tips bet they dont do it

gornyhuy · 12-22-2003, 03:39 PM

I'd like to hear the official response to the cookie policy...

smproduction · 12-22-2003, 03:43 PM

It is a good idea.......but it doesnt solve the problem

biskoppen · 12-22-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smproduction
It is a good idea.......but it doesnt solve the problem

No, not completely. So other ideas should be posted here as well

Anna_O · 12-22-2003, 04:22 PM

*bump*

Dragonsxxx · 12-23-2003, 02:50 AM

Bump for the Bishop

Trax · 12-23-2003, 03:19 AM

this is a long known problem
processing only with ccbill would be a bad idea for affiliates

in general my ccbill sites are converting way worse than the epoch,... sites do

monro · 12-23-2003, 04:02 AM

Be patient!
Corvett know and is working on it.
Let him wake up, it's night over there.

monro · 12-24-2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by biskoppen
I'm sitting here unable to see my aff. ID in the source code of the signup page with ANY of my ccbill sponsors.

Why? Because you're using cookies only which steals like 30% of all sales I make.. (I don't know how much it steals, 30% just sounds good )

What you need to do is to expand your system to save the IP of the surfer too and track signups on that too

Spare me for the "Why don't you just write them an email" posts .. you know just as well as me that it won't help shit..

I'm quite sure we're alot of people who'd like to see this feature being implemented ASAP

I know some people shares IP .. but I can't imagine that should be much of a problem..

Anyone who agrees with me please comment so CCBILL can see that I'm not the only one aware of this problem, people who disagree

biskoppen, please ICQ me: 230743090
monro

monro · 12-24-2003, 01:35 AM

biskoppen?

liquidmoe · 12-24-2003, 01:38 AM

Am I mistaken or was this brought up last week? And wasnt there a reply from CCBill about tracking for non-cookie users?

p1mpdogg · 12-24-2003, 01:55 AM

CCBILL LISTEN TO THIS!!!

thanks for sending me my checks on time... again... as usual!!!

stocktrader23 · 12-24-2003, 02:04 AM

Bitches listen to this!

I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!

DarkJedi · 12-24-2003, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
Bitches listen to this!

I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!

its not about how many people use cookies.

duh.

FreeOnes · 12-24-2003, 03:55 AM

I think this thread is interesting and a CCBil lreply would be even more interesting

fedfest · 12-24-2003, 04:19 AM

Now isn't it funny that so many sponsors say that CCbill is the best prosessor.. and so many affiliates complain about it ?

Well.. the less reff id's they track the more money right down the sponsors pockets..

Beeing that CCbill sponsors is the worst converting for me to, i do hope the come up with way more improvements for the affiliates, though i doubt it as that might loose them some sponsors

Tipsy · 12-24-2003, 04:20 AM

It's a problem that's needed to be addressed for a long while. However people get a little confused about cookies - it's a LOT lower than 30% for the type of cookie CCBill is using. Most people with cookies off are simply blocking 3rd party cookies which is not the type CCBill uses.

Even so the system and the sites in it should be using cookies AND simple tracking through the site. It's not like it's hard to do.

monro · 12-24-2003, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
Bitches listen to this!

I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!

How can you say a thing like that?

When all those virus warnings was all over the news, it was alot of instructions how to set IE to a high security level.
High security level = no cookies = no affiliate payment

What do you mean "Bitches" Are you a sponsor making money out of this and does not like it being dicussed?

All sponsors using ccbill can in their stats see all signups where the the affiliate is not paid and the affiliates URL as well.
THAT can be done, not the payment?

monro · 12-24-2003, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
It's a problem that's needed to be addressed for a long while. However people get a little confused about cookies - it's a LOT lower than 30% for the type of cookie CCBill is using. Most people with cookies off are simply blocking 3rd party cookies which is not the type CCBill uses.

Even so the system and the sites in it should be using cookies AND simple tracking through the site. It's not like it's hard to do.

I smell something more in this. I have made a lot of testing to find out for myself what's going on and why as an example AFF can have the very same signup ratio for years...
AFF do not use ccbill
Three of my sponsors using ccbill do not pay my share when a customer has "high security" set.
One of my sponsors using ccbill pay whatever the cookie settings,
SexyAds in Australia. How can they do it?
IT CAN BE SOLVED!
I'm so tired of this "accepted" thefts going on.
First shaving and now this!

I'm so tired of all those here defending shaving and this small cuts by cookie settings.

Is there no honor left in the USA?? Small thefts like this should never be accepted by people in Western Europe or Australia.

GoLiaT · 12-24-2003, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
Bitches listen to this!

I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!

i heard it is actually more then 30%
lemme see if i can find that page again

justsexxx · 12-24-2003, 05:16 AM

Maybe this info helps you.

First of all CCBILL DOES work with cookies. So surfers who has cookies OFF, yeah you lost them...

As far as NOT seeing your ID on the joinpage that is because you surfed that page already before WITHOUT your link...

When you goto a www.sexdomain.com a cookie is set for 24 hours. Now when you go so that page again by clicking your REF URL you WON'T see your ID. But for example when you CLEAN ALL your cookies, then click your ref url, then you SHOULD alays see your ID on the joinpage(except when you have cookies off DUH)

now when you click on another ref for the same SEXDOMAIN, you still SEE your ID.

Maybe this answers your question a little?

(And no I'm not working for ccbill :D)

Andre

Dragonsxxx · 12-24-2003, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx
Maybe this info helps you.

First of all CCBILL DOES work with cookies. So surfers who has cookies OFF, yeah you lost them...

one of the reasons i have no luck with sites using ccbill

Tipsy · 12-24-2003, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by monro

I smell something more in this. I have made a lot of testing to find out for myself what's going on and why as an example AFF can have the very same signup ratio for years...
AFF do not use ccbill
Three of my sponsors using ccbill do not pay my share when a customer has "high security" set.
One of my sponsors using ccbill pay whatever the cookie settings,
SexyAds in Australia. How can they do it?
IT CAN BE SOLVED!
I'm so tired of this "accepted" thefts going on.
First shaving and now this!

I'm so tired of all those here defending shaving and this small cuts by cookie settings.

Is there no honor left in the USA?? Small thefts like this should never be accepted by people in Western Europe or Australia.

Of course it can be solved. Simple changes CCBills end will make it possible for all affiliates to not have to rely on just cookies. ANYONE with half a clue in PHP etc can knock up something that does this anyway with the current system - it's not that difficult. Of course it then also means shaving is easier for those who want to do so hence my comment about a system that uses ccbill cookies AND dynamic tracking. Very easy to do if CCBill made a couple of changes.

Again for those who miss very basic points - most people DO NOT have ALL their cookies disabled if they have any at all disabled. Different security/privacy settings affect different cookies and most people only disable 3rd party cookies. You lose sales but it's not as high as many seem to think. Even so one lost sale is one too many.

What amazes me though is why people keep treating shit like this as something new. As with the ability to cap rebills it's been around for ages. Seems to me 90% of the people flogging porn spend their days running around with their heads either int he sand or up their arses. Either way they can't see out. But then people will continue to blame their own inability to sell on everything but themselves. It's far easier to look for excuses rather than to admit you're doing something wrong

monro · 12-25-2003, 07:02 AM

After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
you are just dumb.
1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
affiliate.
4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
the security level at IE set to "High"
How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
has to buy traffic.

hanii · 12-25-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by monro
After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
you are just dumb.
1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
affiliate.
4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
the security level at IE set to "High"
How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
has to buy traffic.

fedfest · 12-25-2003, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by monro
After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
you are just dumb.
1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
affiliate.
4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
the security level at IE set to "High"
How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
has to buy traffic.

..on top of that many sponsors have their e-mail collect forms and enter/exit consoles.. just to squeze that extra buck away from your traffic.. and then they actualy wonder why affiliates complain so much..

monro · 12-25-2003, 10:07 AM

I'm only using one popunder as the most. Afraid of disturbing my customers. If a prospect see an intersting sponsor link at my page and proceed to the ccbill sign-up page, changing his/her mind and try to go back for another link at my page, ccbill deliver TWO POPUPS! Trying to take over customers delivered by me at my cost!

Brujah · 12-25-2003, 10:24 AM

use some code to set a cookie. if the cookie isn't set, don't display any ccbill sponsors.

stocktrader23 · 12-25-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by monro

How can you say a thing like that?

When all those virus warnings was all over the news, it was alot of instructions how to set IE to a high security level.
High security level = no cookies = no affiliate payment

What do you mean "Bitches" Are you a sponsor making money out of this and does not like it being dicussed?

All sponsors using ccbill can in their stats see all signups where the the affiliate is not paid and the affiliates URL as well.
THAT can be done, not the payment?

Dude, first of all I was just playing. No I don't like CCBill because the ratios blow ass. I assumed it was from scrub. Last I checked it was 1% of people with cookies off, maybe it's different now.

Anyhow, I think it's shitty either way, I was just fucking around.

xmovieparad · 12-25-2003, 02:04 PM

yea sales with ccbill have been suckin for my affilaites lately ..but good for me

xmovieparad · 12-25-2003, 02:08 PM

so if someone has cookies off there is no way the affiliate is getting the sale????

fedfest · 12-25-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xmovieparad
yea sales with ccbill have been suckin for my affilaites lately ..but good for me

Yeah.. now you know why Sponsors all love CCbill so much..

Think this will be a short time gain though as affiliates will just move on to sponsors not using ccbill..

JM-cj · 12-25-2003, 03:26 PM

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Cindyff · 12-25-2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
this is a long known problem
processing only with ccbill would be a bad idea for affiliates

in general my ccbill sites are converting way worse than the epoch,... sites do

Ours are doing the opposite just goes to show different sites with different sponsors with different traffic give different sign ups with different processors

Did i say different enough times ? too much christams spirit i think

Happy christmas all

Cindy xx

BSleazy · 12-25-2003, 04:55 PM

Setting Unq
Enabled 78,581
Session Only 5,037
Unknown 4,823
Disabled 3,942
Based on 92,383 Uniques

i've seen days though with like up to 40% having cookies disabled

biskoppen · 12-25-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JM-cj
Use http://www.gaypartnership.com/ and you could double your money whith ccbill !!!

I like you ... I like you alot

Darren · 12-25-2003, 05:29 PM

well we track using IP and cookies

AvsTgp · 12-25-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren
well we track using IP and cookies

Darren your a shaving sponsor and we all know that and I hate to see you pop up in threads like this with such bullshit.
As a ccbill sponsor I am partial to this thread however my motto is and always will be if afilliates make money they will continue promoting you and its good business as well as ethical to implement anything that can help partners and, I support this 100%.

FreeOnes · 12-29-2003, 02:49 AM

intersting thread bump

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12-22-2003, 03:25 PM	#1
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	Ccbill Listen To This! I'm sitting here unable to see my aff. ID in the source code of the signup page with ANY of my ccbill sponsors. Why? Because you're using cookies only which steals like 30% of all sales I make.. (I don't know how much it steals, 30% just sounds good ) What you need to do is to expand your system to save the IP of the surfer too and track signups on that too Spare me for the "Why don't you just write them an email" posts .. you know just as well as me that it won't help shit.. I'm quite sure we're alot of people who'd like to see this feature being implemented ASAP I know some people shares IP .. but I can't imagine that should be much of a problem.. Anyone who agrees with me please comment so CCBILL can see that I'm not the only one aware of this problem, people who disagree __________________ Submit my videos to make bank, tons of 5 minute videos offered right here

12-22-2003, 03:39 PM	#5
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12-24-2003, 01:38 AM	#14
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12-24-2003, 01:55 AM	#15
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12-22-2003, 03:27 PM	#2
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	How can they LISTEN to a post that is just a bunch of text?

12-22-2003, 03:36 PM	#4
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12-22-2003, 03:43 PM	#6
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12-23-2003, 02:50 AM	#9
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12-23-2003, 03:19 AM	#10
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	this is a long known problem processing only with ccbill would be a bad idea for affiliates in general my ccbill sites are converting way worse than the epoch,... sites do

12-23-2003, 04:02 AM	#11
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	Be patient! Corvett know and is working on it. Let him wake up, it's night over there.

12-24-2003, 01:35 AM	#13
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12-24-2003, 02:04 AM	#16
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12-24-2003, 04:19 AM	#19
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12-24-2003, 04:20 AM	#20
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	It's a problem that's needed to be addressed for a long while. However people get a little confused about cookies - it's a LOT lower than 30% for the type of cookie CCBill is using. Most people with cookies off are simply blocking 3rd party cookies which is not the type CCBill uses. Even so the system and the sites in it should be using cookies AND simple tracking through the site. It's not like it's hard to do. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

12-24-2003, 05:16 AM	#24
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Maybe this info helps you. First of all CCBILL DOES work with cookies. So surfers who has cookies OFF, yeah you lost them... As far as NOT seeing your ID on the joinpage that is because you surfed that page already before WITHOUT your link... When you goto a www.sexdomain.com a cookie is set for 24 hours. Now when you go so that page again by clicking your REF URL you WON'T see your ID. But for example when you CLEAN ALL your cookies, then click your ref url, then you SHOULD alays see your ID on the joinpage(except when you have cookies off DUH) now when you click on another ref for the same SEXDOMAIN, you still SEE your ID. Maybe this answers your question a little? (And no I'm not working for ccbill :D) Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

12-25-2003, 07:02 AM	#27
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be: Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of.. If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate you are just dumb. 1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid. 2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill. 3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the affiliate. 4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has the security level at IE set to "High" How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%? And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often has to buy traffic.

12-25-2003, 10:07 AM	#30
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	I'm only using one popunder as the most. Afraid of disturbing my customers. If a prospect see an intersting sponsor link at my page and proceed to the ccbill sign-up page, changing his/her mind and try to go back for another link at my page, ccbill deliver TWO POPUPS! Trying to take over customers delivered by me at my cost!

12-25-2003, 10:24 AM	#31
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12-25-2003, 02:08 PM	#34
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