Samantha_Luvcox

This is a warning about AWW (Adultwebware.com) and their Content managment script. We have be dealing with them with our main site for over 6 months and hired them to do a template for a members area of a new site we are creating. We paid them over 350 dollars for a downpayment on the multisite script but upon finding it totally unusable in multidomain content managment asked to have it removed from our servers and a single domain version added instead. The Multi version was removed and a single version added. We then requested that they template out the members area for the new site in exchange for the differance in cash. (Plus cash that has been owed to use without payment for referring others to the script in the past) And this was all promised to be done. WELL. it has not been. despite numerous ICQ sessions with Nicktruman and emails to them via the [email protected] emial address all we get are "Oh we will have that templet done and running in a couple of hours" or Then "Should be done in the morning" or etc etc... This has now been going on for over a month. In fact, Nick did start to do something over in the members area and left nothing but a bunch of broken links to images not there. (This was over a week ago.)

I have sent out a final letter to AWW requesting a full refund and to let him know that we will no longer support his script in anyway. So be forwarded by someone that has been taken for a Long ride...

Stay away from AWW.

(Yes I'm totally Venting here and totally pissed off with them but, it's time something is said)

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SicChild

I've heard many-a-bad things about them.

Samantha_Luvcox

Well I'm backing that up right now then.

We are now in the market for a new content managment system. I'm going to be removing the AWW script of our server. I refuse to run a script from a company that has screwed us like AWW has.

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funkmaster

... you sure you've spelt that name right, somehow rings a bell ???

fsfaz

As a general rule of thumb, I NEVER allow compiled / secure sourced programs from 3rd parties that I don't know or trust.

It can screw you up because you have no control and no idea what's going on.

Samantha_Luvcox

Opps I ment truenick. Anyway still no contact. So now the screwing for the money begins I'm sure. Actually I'm not surprised at this point. But I'm going to make it a point to warn others from now on. I hate to bring dirty laundry public but this is a time that it effects not only us but could effect others we work with.

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Trax

truenick if you read this msg me
i thought we had a deal
you know how much fucking money we are talking about on my side
i am not giving any more chances
msg me if you want keep me happy and neutral

Samantha_Luvcox

Gee, someone else having an issue with truenick? Hmm. 2 weeks ago he was telling us that SICCASH was going to be moving all thier stuff over to his scripts.

Interesting if true. I would watch out though, he has been known to give out administrative usernames and passwords to peoples sites. In fact he gave us one for the site http://www.babeobsessed.com/ so god only knows who they have given other information to.

I can't believe I have to deal with this while I'm on vacation. I have All the emails and ICQS between us and AWW for the last 6 months and May post some of the stuff to show how bad the screw job is.

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Thanks for the warning.

adultwebware

Well, just wondering how good partnership in more than 6+ months could end up like this out of $50-bucks deszign integration.

Ok, here is the history for the protocol:

We have installed you our Multi-Domain version as soon as it was developed - in mid september-october on your main wesite at extremehole.com

But looks like you didn't touch it, and we were continuously increasing the trial period for you. Until you came to us and asked to install it on your main Gerco.com and fucktrip.com sites. We did it as well but you didn't understood the way it worked with adding content from the poll - ok. We have removed it.

About these $200 which you have earned making some promos for us - I have continuously offered you to send you a check/wire but you insisted that it would be deducted from the further product's fees.


1. 21.11.2003 $480 were wired to us as 30% from 10-domains version for $1600 and some custom jobs - integration with fuctrip (minus $200 for 2 copies resold).

2. understanding that I cannot fit the deadlines, I offered a full refund:

truenick 12/18/2003 12:21 AM
if you have a tighter timelines & deadlines - I would better send you a check/wire on $600 for all the undone job.
Us at here.home 12/18/2003 12:22 AM
Actually, no I would rather get the sites running.
truenick 12/18/2003 12:22 AM
ok, thank you, would work as harder as I can to make it done to supply my words with a real deed.
truenick 12/18/2003 12:23 AM
now I'm switchin' off the miranda -- too many requests unanswered. we have no problems, just too many work here and I'm alone.
Us at here.home 12/18/2003 12:23 AM
ok
truenick 12/18/2003 12:24 AM
my promo goes further than my human possibilities =)
truenick 12/18/2003 12:24 AM
ok, thank you another time.
Us at here.home 12/18/2003 12:24 AM


3. Today I have received a mail requesting a full refund.


I believe that was possibly out of misunderstanding issues - because I haven't received any exact directions and never known the deadlines until the last day. That would teach us to change the way we currently work with customizing of any kind (adding new features - code and changing designs - templates).


Ok, my offer is a full $600 refund and free work done which was requested for fucktrip.com

If there is any person who can be an Arbitration here, I'm willing proceed any type of verification or whatever is needed to get this situation solved - we always were on our Client's side and did our best to met his/her expectations.


I'm wondering how easy it could be to hurt almost perfect 2-years of the AdultWebware reputation out of just 1 post like this.

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Trax, our deal was that if I will not be able to make integration with your design until Christmas, the 25th december 2003, I will pay back the other 50% - the $150 from the $300 you have already payed (50% already refunded via paypal).

But after that I promised you to make the job done.


The situation is showing how easy it could be to bury just any developers who has no loud name but who are willing to work 20 hrs a day and making the best of their own.


To solve all these inquiries I had closed the www.AdultWebware.com website and now working myself with all that hard integration work because 1 other hired person is overwhelmed with work.

Trax, we talked on icq and I am eager to finalize your project this night on GMT.

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$5 submissions

OUCH.

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adultwebware

Our script is 100% bullet proof - you are welcome to compare us with just anybody. You can kindly find the history of updates by that url:
http://www.adultwebware.com/whatsnew.html


I would like to point out that the problem being discussed here is out of the delayed custom design integration.


I am always available for conversations of any kind here:

Email: [email protected]
MSN: [email protected]
ICQ: 166487010


I am now hardly busy making everything for free for the above respective Ladies and Gentlemen.

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adultwebware

let's be exact with everybody and let everyone know what exactly have you heard, from whom and in what time period.

we are 100% honest and even now we are not planning to hide and do anything like ignorance.

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adultwebware

The usage of Zend Optimizer is the only way for developers to keep their work in safety.

We guarantee that payed copies of Adult-Engine will be working as long as AE is configured correctly and as long as Client's server configuration is not changed.


2Trax: Your project is 15% completed. You may preview the results in realtime via your http://members.youknowthedomain.com

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GeXus

Ive been using Adultwebware for quite some time now.. dont have a single complaint.. it works great!

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reynold

This thread is why they invented PRIVATE negotiations/problem solving.

If software issues are resolved publicly like this, it leaves a worse mark than say issues with a sponsor.

fsfaz

I'm not disagreeing with you that you shouldn't have the right to secure your source code.

HOWEVER, anybody that actually wants to ensure there isn't anything in the code that they disagree with (I.E. tracking information on your members for their personal benefit, backdoors or any type of spy-ware for that matter) may not want to install scripts or programs. It's just a security hole I don't like to leave open. Companies that are well regarded by or that I have done business with in the past are of course considered.

By NO MEANS, am I or would I make accusations that you or your company are doing the above with your programs/scripts.

I'm just stating my personal opinion here with regards to security. It's one of the many reasons I run Unix.

adultwebware

Well, this issue is caused of the desginer's work, not the software. Client has always the right to piss off on the desinger, but designer can just calm himself down and listen to all that.

Have no idea why Customer desided to make this post here simultaneously to writing an email to us. I haven't even managed to answer it when got notified of this post.

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Well, why should a company which the only business is selling paysite automation software would risk own fortune implementing any kind of backdoors? If you would search the net, any good product is compiled with Zend Optimizer - that is not just out of security - Zend Optimizer also makes it working a way faster (on 10-15%).

We make the software for the last 2 years with weekly updates. If it were open-source - we wouldn't have any motivation to support it and make any updates.

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fsfaz

Remember, I wasn't making any accusations nor am I still. BUT, since you asked, I'm going to reply.

Your Question:

"Well, why should a company which the only business is selling paysite automation software would risk own fortune implementing any kind of backdoors?"


1) First off, how I do know that it's your "only" business? If your posting on GFY, you may be a "webmaster" as well.

2) Even IF your not in the adult business (on a paysite side) how do I know that you won't be in the future? Furthermore, if you did it could be based on the information you took from my servers.

I.E. Marketing Campaigns, Signup Logs (emails for example), Affiliate Information, Content Ideas, etc.

All I'm saying is that I PERSONALLY do not just off-the-bat trust a company that hands me secure code. Infact, if your targeting the adult business (in any aspect) to make money, that bothers me as well.

Once again, I'm not pointing fingers, just giving you suggestions because you asked. I'm sure I could come up with more should you need them.

vapewiz

We use adultwebware.com single and multi-domain scripts on a number of sites, I have been using their scripts sine they were just getting started and have NEVER had a problem with them.

That's my

AdultWebware.com

Samantha_Luvcox

1. We have installed you our Multi-Domain version as soon as it was developed - in mid september-october on your main wesite at extremehole.com

True, and we looked at it thought it was a good start on the multidomain stuff, but since it was not actually tied to any actual content or any site there was now way to really test the content addition to sites.

2. But looks like you didn't touch it, and we were continuously increasing the trial period for you. Until you came to us and asked to install it on your main Gerco.com and fucktrip.com sites. We did it as well but you didn't understood the way it worked with adding content from the poll - ok. We have removed it.

Also True. See #1 I also worked with you VIA ICQ to try and solve the content addition and after about 4 days of time (In which we even had a network admin from reliablehosting and another friend who is really big in PHP look at it and They couln't figure it out either) We finaly gave up on the multi script and asked that you remove it in favor of the single version so we could get the site online. At which point I stessed that due to Xmas and Internex we would be on the road and have limited computer access so we needed to get the site up before Dec17 And you said that that would not be a problem. We then paid our designer to create the headers and footers needed for the members area and ask you to add them to the members area script along with a little customization of the layout so it would fit the site which is Video only. You said no problem that it would only take a few hours... That was back around the end of november I believe. But since then we have talked a NUMBER of times about getting that template finnished and each time I was told it would only take a couple of hours or that it would be done the next day etc etc. Since I'm on the road right now I do not have access to my ICQ history to exactly check.[
You even showed us the other templates you had done and asked if they would work, I even picked one of your already done ones just to help make it faster except it needed a few parts removed and the main members page layed out a little differant since we where not going to have a regular picture section on the site but a collection of images viewable via a link on each video thumbnail preview page. This again was not going to be a problem. You then told us about being so slammed as you have posted here, Notice that the date is the 18th in that ICQ message. There is quite a bit more to that ICQ and again I'm asking why the members area is not done. At this point you go into the site and make some changes which resulte in the members area not even working (all broken images and the header we had designed on top. I ICQed about that, no reply... DAYs went by and I tried to contact you with no luck, meanwhile I have a members area to a new site that just sites not working.

I can understand being busy. I can understand taking on to much load and not being able to make a deadline but to leave something in such a state that it become totally unusable and then not respond to emails about it was really the last straw.


Granted you have now responded to both this post and to the email I send wanting a refund

"AW. Ok, please let me know your bank acc. information and I will wire
you with $600 no earlier than 15th Jan'04 when we will get the funds
for dec and nov, but not later the 20th of Jan'04.

At the same time we will provide you with new designs for
fucktrip.com and extremehole.com + full integration with all these
sites and new Adult-Engine 4.0, which will be also free for these
3 sites (fucktrip.com, extremehole.com and assfull.com). We can
also redevelop assfull.com members area look and feel if it is
still active.

I'm sincerely sorry that misunderstanding and our current
incredible workload made a barrier for our successfull partnership
during the previeous 10+ months. Unfortunately I was unable to
hire additional staff that fast, but now I'm making everything
myself and if you have already noticed, closed
www.adultwebware.com to stop getting new Customers.

I was and will be always fair with all my Clients. That would give
me a good lesson to change our internal structure and the way new
customizations are processed.

Please let me know if you have any more ideas how we can solve
this issue.

Thank you.
"

Which is a nice thought, but you have made this promise like this before offering us a free design to our main sites member pages (Which was and is actually a paid design from you in the first place) And to the assfull site, which we paid you for a design where you did everything including the preview section. It does not mean a lot when I can't even get the members area of the site your spose to be doing online and working correct. I really could care less about the money. I just wanted my site to be finished as promised. I don't have or want to spend ANOTHER 6-8 weeks waiting for a simple members area layout to get the site up.

So what are we to do? keep waiting and keep the people we work with waiting again on a promise that your going to get to it or look for a company that can deliver results and get this project finished now?

Sad thing is the script is good. It has a lot of possiablilities and with a little fine tuning and some missing features added I believe it really could become the premier content managment script out there but because of these current delays you have really put us in a bad position and made us look bad with people that we work with becuase we made promisses to them based on your word to us.,

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Samantha - still have received no any response from you. You could at least send me your wire info - as requested in my email -where to send the $600 back.

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ahh ok, now got the message here in this post - probably was cached out. reading ...

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I wouldn't give out the source NO way. Heck I have some process control software (Dos) and I just 4 months ago sold the source code. Of course I made sure the customer I sold 2 was 100% moron before I sold it.

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adultwebware

ok, I got the point. The point is that our custom department is under construction and people are being hired and educated in that stage. But that is not in area of your interests - all you need is your project done fast. So, please contact me and let me finalize all the stuff. I will finalize that anyway and place on our servers, but an email from you would be kindly appreciated.

Thank you for your response.

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Sure, let's just discuss it as objectively as possible.

Well, the reasons AdultWebware company's representative (me) is posting on GFY and other boards is that he should understand the target market, feel internal connectivities, characters and rules to know the situation among the potential Buyers.

Making paysites to make profits for our own is less interesting for us instead of thinking over the automation process and implementing it into reality, since we are "natural-born developers", i.e. people who loves the technology and looks around how they can use their knowledge for other people needs.

Ofcause that could not be a 100% proof for you that we never sold not even a photo whenever, but that shows our policy well. AdultWebware software is the only source of income for us (AW) and we simply have no time for making any paysites or whatever else.

We could start selling xxx stuff from the beginning, could choose any other ways to make even easier money, but we chose different. We chose to do what we love to do and what we did better our entire life. We do not spread cracks, we do not sell ddos services, we do not produce fraud or spam, etc - we provide real business automation software for people who really need it.

Everybody should do what they do best and do not disturb each other. I believe that is the only case people can trust each other.

Unfortunately, the lack of time solving Clients' requests and meeting their expectations with custom work, didn't allowed us to show you (adult industry) all the possibilities which Adult-Engine has. The online documentation shows only 60-80% of all effective features you may benefit of. And AdultWebware is less known than some big players here yet.

In the mean time, AdultWebware will show it all quite soon. Just need some time to finalize current projects we have in our list.

And remember, we do all that 2 years already (just 9 days left to be 2 years). I believe that counts. And we are not going to give up even if anyone would start ddosing our servers on daily basis =)

We pay attention only to the digits - Total content items, total content galleries, thumbnails per minute, average content items per gallery, total users, total users per day, max users per hour, min users per hour - for statistical purposes only to check Adult-Engine on top loads and optimize, optimize, optimize. We don't care how much money you make. Our concern is that with Adult-Engine you should make more.

We do not take care of what content you may have there or where do you take your traffic from (have no idea where our Clients get it unless they say us that by theirselves - but even if they say that, we forget it immediately - just because this information is useless for us) or what signup prices your paysite/AVS has, neither or whatever else. The only traffic we need is webmasters traffic, and very specific one.

All we do is what we advertise we do. We do software. We sell software. The software which brings you money. Sometimes we do designs as well just because our Clients ask us to.

We are 100% transparent and have nothing to hide from anybody. We even pay taxes from selling our software.


If you do not want to give us your server info, we will send you compiled version for your domain supplied with detailed step-by-step iinstallation instructions.

Anyway, you may check/compare the free trial with just any software. There is no any known analogues.

I am always open for discussions of any kind and if you have any more questions you want me me to answer on public - just go on asking them. =)

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Ok, these designs were ready on Christmas and finalized upon the 31th Dec'03 according to the requirements as promised for the fucktrip.com videosite:

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BradShaw

20 days to respond, about the same amount of our time you wasted. Adult Web Ware sucks, stay away. Check out Mansions new member product.

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Samantha_Luvcox

yup, this is true. I was showen the designs and told that they would be up. then heard nothing till today. I will say that they just paypaled us 600 dollers as promised today. I have purchased MAS due to the issues and am having it installed this week.

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We had an initial rough spot with getting AE installed but it has been MORE than worth it. I would not consider opening a site without it. As far as giving away peoples administrative passwords on several occasions Nick has told me which webmaster wanted to have a look and provided they are known and established (and the server is backed up) I have been happy to provide them that access as a professional courtesy.

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Samantha_Luvcox

Interesting and true. We have had our main site running on AWW for quite a while, and really thought the script was good. I have even provided Nick a lot of ideas to add to the script over the time we have used it, including paying for a custom development of the external streaming videos feature that is now included in AWW. Even some of the little features like the whos online being in green to make it easier to read in the admin section came from me. I figured we had a pretty good working relationship and have even supported it to many of our adult webmaster friends. A LOT of people are watching the outcome of all this and it was a pretty vigous topic with our group while at internex culminating in the purchase of MAS. As good as a script may or may not be, it means nothing if you can not use it for the lack of it being finished and setup. Today is Jan 13th. the above "fucktrip" site was to be online, finalized and in use Dec 18th which did not happen. This part has already be hashed out and resolved with a refund so it's really beating a dead horse at this time. But it does also have to be said that it took the starting of this thread to finally get a reply back from AWW and the refund. (Also the templates for fucktrip where started and shown after this tread) Of course they are still not on the server or running, just pictures like nick has posted here. Which makes me also wonder why he he would take the time to post the pictures like the site was finished or something instead of finishing the job and getting the site running. Even bringing new attention to the tread seems odd to me since the work has not been finnished?? Weird.

So thats my 2 cents and really the last I want to post on the subject. I have spent the time and shared what has happened to us on this in hope that people make and informed judgement call before they jump into something.

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adultwebware

Well, you guys were going around the AdultWebware since 1/2/2003 as per my ICQ History with Jim, who came into my Contact List first. on that date

We have installed you free trial few months ago and Jim was always asking me questions and always received the informational responces.

If you need something done for 1 day before your deadline about which I don't know a thing, sorry, I'm not that fast since I'm the sales person. No single email was received on [email protected]

It's up to you ofcasue to choose the 1.0 version of Mansion's product which have less than a half functionality than AdultWebware's one. I wish you have the best times integrating their software to your designs. Applauds =)

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If anyone need the truth -- just install 2 software programs directly at your server and feel the difference. Also, keep in mind the fact that Mansion would not provide you with a free trial installed at your server unless you would pay them.

But yes, there's alot of fluffy there around the mentioned guys. Wish them a good luck.

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and the last one...

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And yes, during all that time I haven received a penny from your company. I thought that the bigger company is, the more serios it could be. Even if you name yourself SicCash, sorry, AdultWebware is not a millionarie to work for promises.

We did everything we could do upon during your free trial period (which was extented more than 3 or 5 times from 7 days upto more than 1.5 months).

So, I can't find any valuable reason because of which you can make claims like this.


I have less-know Clients who pay me Cash in advance and who value the job we do for them and who are able to contact us normally via ICQ or email or using our ticket system instead of flaming here on GFY.

If you don't have email, or don't use browser for the ticket system, we have even fax waiting for your paperwork.

The phone support will be added soon, and the prices will raise.


Also, if you have host which is not stable enough and if mySQL is crashing twice a week, sorry - I can't help you with that too. I have offered you to move at VIP PhatServers bullet-proof plans with 20% discount, but you refused that.

So, I'm afraid you are not right claiming AdultWebware. At least show me a reason to claim us for.

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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=3089055

Copying here:

RESUME:
----------------
1. You keep the Adult-Engine Single Domain (of $350 value) with all cusomizations requested (of $200 value)
2. You keep the custom designs made for your members area (of $200 value)
3. You have got the $600 at your paypal account ($380 back, plus $170 for 2 resold copies, plus a $50 additional fee for your possible inconvenience)



The job is done completely and AdultWebware does not owe you a thing.

Thank you for using AdultWebware professional services on your sites, still.

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I have been using Adultwebwares CMS for maybe 18 months now and it's the best CMS I have ever seen and tested.
Not only is it really easy to manage and understand it is stable and has run perfectly during the full time.

My contact with Adultwebware has been great and they always respond quickly. Just the other day I ICQ them asking to get 2 new licenses and I had it installed by them one hour later.

Both the company and their product is as good as it gets and there is absolutely no other CMS that can compare.


Seems to me they have tried to work with the issue discussed here with Samantha and in my opinion they have done much more than that.

Brad Shaw, if it's true you complain even though you didn't pay a nickel you really should shut a fuck up.

fsfaz - you are a paranoid man, you must trust people, we are all nice ;-)

Samantha_Luvcox

Seeing this is not over yet...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...17#post3089717


and our reply to that.


Nice pictures, but get off your high horse. anyone really want to see what state you left fucktrip in feel free to contact me at ICQ 4009474 and I'll give you a pass to the members area.

Oh and here is a copy of Nicks last email to us...
WITH OUR REPLY

AW. Ok, sure - I will send you these $600 as soon as will receive our
general payment for nov'03 and dec'03 - we are still waiting for
it. For your convenience I can direct payment from Sammy4u to the
above bank acc info.

Please let me know if you still want fucktrip.com and
extremehole.com finalized for free as discussed

OUR REPLY....

I thought you where doing the fucktrip? You showed me all the templates
mockups etc?


Then the ICQ taday about the paypal info for the refund.

Of course the funny thing was Sammy4u was sitting on my couch when you email about our refund coming from her payment came in, They have not heard from you since before internex either and their project was spose to be done the 1st.

Major back pedaling going on here. Live up to your promisses and get the members area of fuctrip working and I'll let people know. Fuck over everyone we work with and I'll let that be known also. only fair.

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JSA Matt

I wouldn't mess with anyone that has a name so close to nick tuckman