what's the most "practical" programming language to know for the web? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mr. Mojo Risin · 11-03-2003, 03:25 AM

What language(s) should I know to land a job telecommunting on the web? What's the most widely used? PHP, Perl, ASP, etc.

thanks....

mrthumbs · 11-03-2003, 03:25 AM

php + mysql.. all you need.

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 03:26 AM

php + mysql

goBigtime · 11-03-2003, 03:27 AM

php + mysql.

But corporate america proably would like you to know .NET and ASP shit... not that they know wtf they really want or need in the first place.

Mr.Fiction · 11-03-2003, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
php + mysql

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

BlueDesignStudios · 11-03-2003, 03:30 AM

Fortran

Mr. Mojo Risin · 11-03-2003, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

I guess I will have to learn both

thanks

Libertine · 11-03-2003, 03:39 AM

For a web programming-related job, php+mysql is most important. However, you need perl as well, since chances are you'll be encountering that pretty often also. Besides that, some basic C/C++ knowledge is extremely helpful. Oh, and ofcourse, xml is something you have to know, as are jav<b></b>ascript, css and obviously html (xhtml).

hvidlogspusher · 11-03-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
Fortran

AssFairy · 11-03-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
Fortran

LOL, how old are you

lil2rich4u2 · 11-03-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
php + mysql.

But corporate america proably would like you to know .NET and ASP shit... not that they know wtf they really want or need in the first place.

spoken like an experienced programmer

those asshats never know wtf they want (neither do i though) heh

BlueDesignStudios · 11-03-2003, 03:54 AM

Ada95 might also be useful, just incase you want a web based nuclear missile launcher...

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

spoken like an experienced programmer

those asshats never know wtf they want (neither do i though) heh

Did someone say asshat?

Nightwork · 11-03-2003, 04:47 AM

Programming isn't about knowing a language, programming is all about being able to think with a certain logic and within certain structures.

For a good programmer it's peanuts to learn a new language, as it's just getting familiair with a new language's syntax (which usually already looks familiair if the language itself looks any good, hehe.) and finding out language relative common pitfalls.

Problem with most "programmers" is that they just jump into a language and learn themselves a few tricks. 8 out of 10 times I see some webscript (also professional scripts, sold at outragious prices) I simply start crying. Most of the time it works but the amount of ductape needed to keep it together is normally more than the lines of code used.

So before even starting to program or learning it, read some stuff about database architecture, software architecture (multitier environments, objectorientation), security and go through some old mathbooks from back in school.

Being a programmer it doesn't matter which language is hot or easy, if a client requests, you can do the tricks.

Libertine · 11-03-2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by Nightwork
Programming isn't about knowing a language, programming is all about being able to think with a certain logic and within certain structures.

For a good programmer it's peanuts to learn a new language, as it's just getting familiair with a new language's syntax (which usually already looks familiair if the language itself looks any good, hehe.) and finding out language relative common pitfalls.

Problem with most "programmers" is that they just jump into a language and learn themselves a few tricks. 8 out of 10 times I see some webscript (also professional scripts, sold at outragious prices) I simply start crying. Most of the time it works but the amount of ductape needed to keep it together is normally more than the lines of code used.

So before even starting to program or learning it, read some stuff about database architecture, software architecture (multitier environments, objectorientation), security and go through some old mathbooks from back in school.

Being a programmer it doesn't matter which language is hot or easy, if a client requests, you can do the tricks.

Although you're partly right, knowing specific languages is more important than you make it seem. It saves loads of time in trying to find standard functions that do what you want.

blazin · 11-03-2003, 05:32 AM

perl + mysql

For those that need the speed - mod_perl

Nightwork · 11-03-2003, 06:04 AM

Punkworld,

Ofcourse if it comes to speed, it's pretty handy to know the most common function syntaxes by heart. I probably picture it a little bit too much black/white.

But knowing all functions by heart, doesn't make you a good programmer. Knowing in which patterns to think, etc, does. If you're new to a language, it might cause you to be a bit slower, but the qualitylevel is what matters (to me at least).

I've expierenced it dozens of times. Fast and sloppy code catches up to you in the long term, as you have to rewrite all to implement new features. A decent structure and logic, takes more time to write, but saves time in the long run.

Cyborg69 · 11-03-2003, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by Nightwork
Punkworld,

I've expierenced it dozens of times. Fast and sloppy code catches up to you in the long term, as you have to rewrite all to implement new features. A decent structure and logic, takes more time to write, but saves time in the long run.

have to use OOP... as much as hated when our profs was telling that at the begining of learnign programing he is right....

Mr. Mojo Risin · 11-03-2003, 06:56 AM

what about logo?

Mr. Mojo Risin · 11-03-2003, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Mr. Mojo Risin
what about logo?

I vaguely remember fooling with it in elementary school... it was a drawing language, right?

iwantchixx · 11-03-2003, 07:12 AM

html

Nightwork · 11-03-2003, 10:03 AM

iwantchixx, n00bs shouldn't try to make nerdjokes, the only funny thing about it is that it makes you look pretty stupid o_O

sweet7 · 11-03-2003, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
Fortran

Baal · 11-03-2003, 11:45 AM

I reccomend that any programming novice start learning to program in the Brainfuck programming language.
The language only has 8 commands (and is Turing-complete), so it's easy to learn. Here is the Brainfuck code for a Hello World program (and YES, that is the actual code, not some screwed up link); you can see how easy it is write a program with just 8 commands to learn!

11-03-2003, 03:25 AM	#1
Mr. Mojo Risin Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the middle of nowhere Posts: 1,886	what's the most "practical" programming language to know for the web? What language(s) should I know to land a job telecommunting on the web? What's the most widely used? PHP, Perl, ASP, etc. thanks....

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	php + mysql __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	For a web programming-related job, php+mysql is most important. However, you need perl as well, since chances are you'll be encountering that pretty often also. Besides that, some basic C/C++ knowledge is extremely helpful. Oh, and ofcourse, xml is something you have to know, as are jav<b></b>ascript, css and obviously html (xhtml). __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	Ada95 might also be useful, just incase you want a web based nuclear missile launcher... __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	php + mysql.. all you need.

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goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	php + mysql. But corporate america proably would like you to know .NET and ASP shit... not that they know wtf they really want or need in the first place.

11-03-2003, 04:47 AM	#15
Nightwork Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 61	Programming isn't about knowing a language, programming is all about being able to think with a certain logic and within certain structures. For a good programmer it's peanuts to learn a new language, as it's just getting familiair with a new language's syntax (which usually already looks familiair if the language itself looks any good, hehe.) and finding out language relative common pitfalls. Problem with most "programmers" is that they just jump into a language and learn themselves a few tricks. 8 out of 10 times I see some webscript (also professional scripts, sold at outragious prices) I simply start crying. Most of the time it works but the amount of ductape needed to keep it together is normally more than the lines of code used. So before even starting to program or learning it, read some stuff about database architecture, software architecture (multitier environments, objectorientation), security and go through some old mathbooks from back in school. Being a programmer it doesn't matter which language is hot or easy, if a client requests, you can do the tricks. __________________ God may have created the world in 6 days, but you can bet your ass that while he rested on the 7th, a programmer coded it all.<br>ICQ:48322442

11-03-2003, 05:32 AM	#17
blazin Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,781	perl + mysql For those that need the speed - mod_perl

11-03-2003, 06:04 AM	#18
Nightwork Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 61	Punkworld, Ofcourse if it comes to speed, it's pretty handy to know the most common function syntaxes by heart. I probably picture it a little bit too much black/white. But knowing all functions by heart, doesn't make you a good programmer. Knowing in which patterns to think, etc, does. If you're new to a language, it might cause you to be a bit slower, but the qualitylevel is what matters (to me at least). I've expierenced it dozens of times. Fast and sloppy code catches up to you in the long term, as you have to rewrite all to implement new features. A decent structure and logic, takes more time to write, but saves time in the long run. __________________ God may have created the world in 6 days, but you can bet your ass that while he rested on the 7th, a programmer coded it all.<br>ICQ:48322442

11-03-2003, 06:56 AM	#20
Mr. Mojo Risin Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the middle of nowhere Posts: 1,886	what about logo?

11-03-2003, 07:12 AM	#22
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	html

11-03-2003, 10:03 AM	#23
Nightwork Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 61	iwantchixx, n00bs shouldn't try to make nerdjokes, the only funny thing about it is that it makes you look pretty stupid o_O __________________ God may have created the world in 6 days, but you can bet your ass that while he rested on the 7th, a programmer coded it all.<br>ICQ:48322442

11-03-2003, 11:45 AM	#25
Baal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 696	I reccomend that any programming novice start learning to program in the Brainfuck programming language. The language only has 8 commands (and is Turing-complete), so it's easy to learn. Here is the Brainfuck code for a Hello World program (and YES, that is the actual code, not some screwed up link); you can see how easy it is write a program with just 8 commands to learn!