Are "family" type stories legal? - GoFuckYourself.com

mastamindz · 10-29-2003, 09:02 PM

I found a bunch of them in some stories I bought. Just wondering if the feds will be knocking on my door tommorow. Or is acacia all I have to worry about?

gornyhuy · 10-29-2003, 09:05 PM

I think it is still legal to write just about anything you want, and I mean anything. Writing about family stuff and kiddie stuff is entirely different than taking pictures and movies and trying to lure others into it over state lines, etc.

I think its even legal to write detailed instructions about how to make bombs and so on.

Freedom of Expression man!

gornyhuy · 10-29-2003, 09:07 PM

Good precedent at asstr.org --> that board is like 75% family/young/forced/drugged/snuff stories and its been going strong for years and years and its free and totally open to the public.

boneprone · 10-29-2003, 09:11 PM

Boneprone Family

brand0n · 10-29-2003, 10:04 PM

even if they are legal, would you really use them? if so you are just as bad as the other people with the pics and the vids.. no matter how you sugar coat it, its cp

SpaceAce · 10-29-2003, 10:14 PM

Sure, it's legal. Here, go read the first two chapters of <A HREF="http://www.porncherry.com/family/mother-son/" TARGET="_blank">Mickey's Mom</A>. Maybe some day I'll even finish that damn story.

SpaceAce

Tala · 10-29-2003, 10:17 PM

It's legal in many areas, but there are some where you'll get problems. When in doubt, throw it out.

Trust me; I'm a writer.

Mr.Fiction · 10-29-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by brand0n
even if they are legal, would you really use them? if so you are just as bad as the other people with the pics and the vids.. no matter how you sugar coat it, its cp

Child porn means porn with children.

Do you think that the movies "House Of Yes" and "Spanking The Monkey" were child porn?

Jamdin · 10-29-2003, 10:23 PM

If the family members are consenting adults, I do not see a problem. After all, Jerry Springer had guests proclaiming their family love and no one was arrested

Mr.Fiction · 10-29-2003, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jamdin
If the family members are consenting adults, I do not see a problem. After all, Jerry Springer had guests proclaiming their family love and no one was arrested

Has Jerry Springer ever had a show without family members who have sex with each other?

SpaceAce · 10-29-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Has Jerry Springer ever had a show without family members who have sex with each other?

Has Jerry Springer ever not had a show about family members who have sex with each other?

SpaceAce

Mr.Fiction · 10-29-2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Has Jerry Springer ever not had a show about family members who have sex with each other?

SpaceAce

I fucked that one up!

SpaceAce · 10-29-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

I fucked that one up!

I've got you covered.

SpaceAce

Mr.Fiction · 10-29-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

I've got you covered.

SpaceAce

tootie · 10-29-2003, 10:55 PM

Yes, it's legal to write about just about anything you want, but there are limits. For example, you cannot write about the rape or murder of a real human being. I believe people have been arrested for writing fantasy stories about harming people they know if I remember correctly.

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Child porn means porn with children.

Do you think that the movies "House Of Yes" and "Spanking The Monkey" were child porn?

keep sugar coating it.. "FAMILY" style storys are child porn IMHO, now granted thats my opinion

so Mr Fiction you condone such storys?

SpaceAce · 10-30-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
keep sugar coating it.. "FAMILY" style storys are child porn IMHO, now granted thats my opinion

so Mr Fiction you condone such storys?

How can this be an opinion? That's like saying "Water is not made up of hydrogen and oxygen, IMHO." Some things are fact. A story not involving anyone under the age of majority is not kiddie porn, period. There are no opinions involved.

"Family" is not a synonym for "child". <A HREF="http://www.thesaurus.com" TARGET="_blank">Click here for thesaurus.com</A>.

SpaceAce

Mr.Fiction · 10-30-2003, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
keep sugar coating it.. "FAMILY" style storys are child porn IMHO, now granted thats my opinion

so Mr Fiction you condone such storys?

I support free speech and the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Hopefully you do as well.

Why do you think "family" has anything to do with "child"?

Have you seen "Spanking The Monkey"? Have you seen "The House Of Yes"? These are mainstream movies that showed in theaters around the world. Were they "child porn"?

Supporting free speech means that I also support the legality of speech that I might morally disagree with.

Do you think that the classic book and movie "Lolita" should be illegal?

Do you think that movies with fantasy crimes, like drug use, speeding, and killing are wrong too?

Do you think that it is worse for someone to have a story about sex with their 20 year old cousin than for someone to write a fantasy about killing all of the black people in the world?

Do you think that articles glorifying Hitler are ok, but stories about some 40 year old brother and sister having sex are "CP"?

Should all literature have to only cover topics that would be legal in the real world? Wouldn't movies, books, and television be pretty boring?

Anti-free speech pornographers always make me wonder.

SpaceAce · 10-30-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

A bunch of stuff...

Maybe he should read the Horny Peeping Sister series. Haha, anyone remember those? I wonder if you can find them on the ASSTR site.

SpaceAce

Mr.Fiction · 10-30-2003, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Maybe he should read the Horny Peeping Sister series. Haha, anyone remember those? I wonder if you can find them on the ASSTR site.

SpaceAce

ASSTR is the definition of free speech, like Usenet. Some of those stories scare even me, but you know what - free speech means free speech!

mastamindz · 10-30-2003, 12:50 AM

I should also add that the story states they are over 18.

I would never use anything that had underage shit. I probobly wonnt be using any of the other shit either as I have some morals

And my dad likes to check out my sites when Im not looking. Might scare him.

SpaceAce · 10-30-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

ASSTR is the definition of free speech, like Usenet. Some of those stories scare even me, but you know what - free speech means free speech!

You should check out The Temple of Pamphage (http://www.pamphage.com/). I was reading his stuff for years before he ever started posting here. He has some really compelling work on there and it's definitely the sort of thing that would have shocked the public right off its feet a few years ago. I think the people who have the biggest problems with edgy writing are people who have never written anything, themselves. When you do some writing of your own, you come to understand that fantasy is just that: fantasy.

Mind you, I do tend to believe that people who write stories about things like sex with minors (especially forced or violent) have some problems but as long as it stays on paper, I don't see how it would be right to mete out punishment.

Edit: I should clarify something about the above statement. When I say "minors" I am talking specifically about early teens on down. I just can't get too upset about a story featuring a seventeen-year-old getting fucked.

SpaceAce

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 12:59 AM

blah blah blah blah blah.. when surfers are looking for "family" style shit they are searchin for CP

cut the shit, dont hide behind the constitution, you are well aware of wtf is going on

SpaceAce · 10-30-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
blah blah blah blah blah.. when surfers are looking for "family" style shit they are searchin for CP

cut the shit, dont hide behind the constitution, you are well aware of wtf is going on

Is that your brilliant, well-reasoned opinion? Sounds like knee-jerk blathering to me. I especially love the implication that people are "hiding behind" the Constitution. I suppose you know something we don't about what the Constitution really means, huh?

Who cares what people are searching for when they look for "family" stories? If my stories all feature adults, why should I be responsible for what other people are looking for?

SpaceAce

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Is that your brilliant, well-reasoned opinion? Sounds like knee-jerk blathering to me. I especially love the implication that people are "hiding behind" the Constitution. I suppose you know something we don't about what the Constitution really means, huh?

Who cares what people are searching for when they look for "family" stories? If my stories all feature adults, why should I be responsible for what other people are looking for?

SpaceAce

lay down with dogs you get fleas, you know as well as i do that if you are puttin that kinda shit up, you are going to get that kinda clients.. if you dont mind the fact that people who are ending up at your sites are lookin for CP, i dont eather

SpaceAce · 10-30-2003, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
if you dont mind the fact that people who are ending up at your sites are lookin for CP, i dont eather

Why should I care? They won't find any.

Well, let me rephrase that. I "care" in the sense that I think child pornography is disgusting. I wish that no one was looking for it but since I don't have any on my sites and I don't write any stories that feature kiddie porn, I don't feel any responsibility for the nuts of the world who are out looking for it.

SpaceAce

Porndealer · 10-30-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
keep sugar coating it.. "FAMILY" style storys are child porn IMHO, now granted thats my opinion

so Mr Fiction you condone such storys?

You just keep thinking that and keep on whoring your lame TCG sig that everyone and his mother has

Trisnic · 10-30-2003, 01:19 AM

I have been working with stories for the last six years and personally I may use incest stories on a site if all people involved are over 18.

What I will not use are any stories about minors, animal sex, rape, etc. I will not use them because I know for a fact that here in Canada stories about these things are illegal and I don't exactly want to go to jail. Plus using these types of stories creates a lot of hastle with other things. I see that you are in Canada too so I strongly suggest that you do not use stories like the ones I named, but it doesn't look like you were planning to.

I have unintentionally purchased story sets with content I don't like but have either not used these stories or have changed them if this is ok with the licence agreement.

Using incest stories may get you in trouble with certain things such as PPC (I was denied for a PPC listing because of prostitution stories), sponsors etc and the really illegal stuff like child rape stories could get you in trouble with Visa.

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by Porndealer

You just keep thinking that and keep on whoring your lame TCG sig that everyone and his mother has

1st off.. notice IMHO? should i translate that for you?
2nd off, you are far to new to this board for me to even talk to really and last
3rd i was unaware they pipe internet connection into "the ghetto" so, before you go talking about my sig, why dont you see if someone would be willing to pay you for yours, and maybe you, your broke ass family, and your sister can move on up like george and wezzie

Porndealer · 10-30-2003, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n

1st off.. notice IMHO? should i translate that for you?
2nd off, you are far to new to this board for me to even talk to really and last
3rd i was unaware they pipe internet connection into "the ghetto" so, before you go talking about my sig, why dont you see if someone would be willing to pay you for yours, and maybe you, your broke ass family, and your sister can move on up like george and wezzie

What did you say? You'll have to speak up I can't hear you over all the gunshots because I live in the ghetto, right? Swoit TCG!

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 01:47 AM

im just calling them like i see them
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Mr.Fiction · 10-30-2003, 01:48 AM

This thread is funny, and not just because I fucked up when posting about Jerry Springer.

Porndealer · 10-30-2003, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
im just calling them like i see them
Porndealer
For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor?

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Ghetto
Posts: 233

Stop posting my personal details!

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 01:57 AM

whats personall? you live in the ghetto.. so this tells me you eat free cheese and live like a bunch of cockroachs

this is the same ghetto everyone else knows right? or do you live in the plush wonderworld ghetto where everyone has SUVS?

Porndealer · 10-30-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
whats personall? you live in the ghetto.. so this tells me you eat free cheese and live like a bunch of cockroachs

this is the same ghetto everyone else knows right? or do you live in the plush wonderworld ghetto where everyone has SUVS?

WTF? Nobody told me about the free cheese?!?

Can you buy me some bread with that TCG sig money? You could probably afford some milk too if you post enough.

brand0n · 10-30-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Porndealer

WTF? Nobody told me about the free cheese?!?
Can you buy me some bread with that TCG sig money? You could probably afford some milk too if you post enough.

sure can whats your address?

10-29-2003, 09:02 PM	#1
mastamindz Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,547	Are "family" type stories legal? I found a bunch of them in some stories I bought. Just wondering if the feds will be knocking on my door tommorow. Or is acacia all I have to worry about? __________________ If you click here, you will make money.

10-29-2003, 09:05 PM	#2
gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	I think it is still legal to write just about anything you want, and I mean anything. Writing about family stuff and kiddie stuff is entirely different than taking pictures and movies and trying to lure others into it over state lines, etc. I think its even legal to write detailed instructions about how to make bombs and so on. Freedom of Expression man! __________________ icq:159548293

10-29-2003, 09:07 PM	#3
gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	Good precedent at asstr.org --> that board is like 75% family/young/forced/drugged/snuff stories and its been going strong for years and years and its free and totally open to the public. __________________ icq:159548293

10-29-2003, 09:11 PM	#4
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10-29-2003, 10:04 PM	#5
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	even if they are legal, would you really use them? if so you are just as bad as the other people with the pics and the vids.. no matter how you sugar coat it, its cp __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-29-2003, 10:14 PM	#6
SpaceAce Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Magrathea Posts: 6,493	Sure, it's legal. Here, go read the first two chapters of <A HREF="http://www.porncherry.com/family/mother-son/" TARGET="_blank">Mickey's Mom</A>. Maybe some day I'll even finish that damn story. SpaceAce

10-29-2003, 10:17 PM	#7
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	It's legal in many areas, but there are some where you'll get problems. When in doubt, throw it out. Trust me; I'm a writer. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

10-29-2003, 10:23 PM	#9
Jamdin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,560	If the family members are consenting adults, I do not see a problem. After all, Jerry Springer had guests proclaiming their family love and no one was arrested

10-29-2003, 10:55 PM	#15
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Yes, it's legal to write about just about anything you want, but there are limits. For example, you cannot write about the rape or murder of a real human being. I believe people have been arrested for writing fantasy stories about harming people they know if I remember correctly. __________________

10-30-2003, 12:50 AM	#21
mastamindz Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,547	I should also add that the story states they are over 18. I would never use anything that had underage shit. I probobly wonnt be using any of the other shit either as I have some morals And my dad likes to check out my sites when Im not looking. Might scare him. __________________ If you click here, you will make money.

10-30-2003, 12:59 AM	#23
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	blah blah blah blah blah.. when surfers are looking for "family" style shit they are searchin for CP cut the shit, dont hide behind the constitution, you are well aware of wtf is going on __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-30-2003, 01:19 AM	#28
Trisnic Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 16	I have been working with stories for the last six years and personally I may use incest stories on a site if all people involved are over 18. What I will not use are any stories about minors, animal sex, rape, etc. I will not use them because I know for a fact that here in Canada stories about these things are illegal and I don't exactly want to go to jail. Plus using these types of stories creates a lot of hastle with other things. I see that you are in Canada too so I strongly suggest that you do not use stories like the ones I named, but it doesn't look like you were planning to. I have unintentionally purchased story sets with content I don't like but have either not used these stories or have changed them if this is ok with the licence agreement. Using incest stories may get you in trouble with certain things such as PPC (I was denied for a PPC listing because of prostitution stories), sponsors etc and the really illegal stuff like child rape stories could get you in trouble with Visa.

10-30-2003, 01:47 AM	#31
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	im just calling them like i see them Porndealer For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor? Registered: Jun 2003 Location: Ghetto Posts: 233 __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-30-2003, 01:48 AM	#32
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	This thread is funny, and not just because I fucked up when posting about Jerry Springer.

10-30-2003, 01:57 AM	#34
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	whats personall? you live in the ghetto.. so this tells me you eat free cheese and live like a bunch of cockroachs this is the same ghetto everyone else knows right? or do you live in the plush wonderworld ghetto where everyone has SUVS? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.