ACACIA IS going after TGP's and MPG's, Free sites, etc - GoFuckYourself.com

Choker · 10-23-2003, 03:22 PM

Got that dreaded letter today.

quote..... You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website(s) without a license from Acacia, and are therefore liable to Acacia for patent infringement.

I do not have a single movie on any of my servers. I simply link to sponsor hosted movie galleries. Just like millions of sites do. So now ACACIA is going after anyone that even links to a site that has movies on it? This is getting stupid real fast. Hasn't this already been upheld in court that a website is not responsible for the sites it links too?

On a different note, I have avoided the Acacia threads like the plague until now. It is not that I do not care, it is because it does not directly affect me. The sites that have the movies on them are the ones that are responsible, or at least this was my understanding. If a sponsor I use has to reduce payouts in order to fight and/or settle with Acacia, then I would have no problem whatsoever in taking a reduced payout. But to say I am infringing when I only link to movie galleries? This is beyond absurd.

XxXotic · 10-23-2003, 03:23 PM

acacia can suck my sweaty ball sack

Amputate Your Head · 10-23-2003, 03:24 PM

Chocker, get this.... I don't even have ANY sites, nor do I link to any. And I got a letter.

Acacia's going to eat a big sweaty cock on this one.

Fabuleux · 10-23-2003, 03:24 PM

I'm yelling this is bullshit whole day. It takes you only

to fuck them in court.

triumph · 10-23-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by XxXotic
acacia can suck my sweaty ball sack

I second that motion

Ozzymosis1 · 10-23-2003, 03:25 PM

Next they are going to go affter the people who view the movies....

JSA Matt · 10-23-2003, 03:25 PM

I bet both of you have a MC account

JSA Matt · 10-23-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Ozzymosis1
Next they are going to go affter the people who view the movies....

Didn't you hear? They are going after ISPs next.. you will have a montly charge for viewing videos!

Amputate Your Head · 10-23-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
I bet both of you have a MC account

I have affiliate accounts with nearly every sponsor, but I promote NONE of them. I have accounts with almost all of the content providers, yet I have never bought a single video.

Tuga · 10-23-2003, 03:27 PM

Are they sending that letter outside of the US too? I'm feeling left out.

Ozzymosis1 · 10-23-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

Didn't you hear? They are going after ISPs next.. you will have a montly charge for viewing videos!

Damn i guess im out of the loop

tootie · 10-23-2003, 03:29 PM

I don't use video, and I won't until ACACIA gets its head ripped out of its ass by the courts, but if they send me a letter I'm not the least bit afraid of letting it go to court. I don't like the idea of showing up in court because I'd rather people not know what I do for a living, but there is no way I'll pay them a dime when I don't even use the technology they "CLAIM" to have a patent on. So if it goes that far, I'll be heading to court, I guess.

Choker · 10-23-2003, 03:30 PM

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quote..... You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website(s) without a license from Acacia, and are therefore liable to Acacia for patent infringement.

The wording in the letter can be usefull to anyone fighting thier claims. They are saying that if I provide access to content VIA my website. This can be seen by many a judge as a bullying tactic. Am I infringing upon their patent if I link to another site that does? I don't think so. This has already been held up in court rulings if I recall correctly. Courts generally do not like bullies.

Dawgy · 10-23-2003, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website(s) without a license from Acacia, and are therefore liable to Acacia for patent infringement.

so they going after Yahoo next? they link to movie sites. what about google? aol? msn?

this is beyond stupid, i just hope somewhere some judge realizes this & puts a stop to it.

Choker · 10-23-2003, 03:33 PM

MC as in Max Cash? Yes I do have a account there

Dawgy · 10-23-2003, 03:33 PM

what about some type of counter suit.... u can sue people for harassment in this country... seems like thats what theyre doing... just harassing webmasters into paying... they know that a lot of people cannot afford to fight them...

rooster · 10-23-2003, 03:33 PM

plus its double dipping.

Amputate Your Head · 10-23-2003, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

The wording in the letter can be usefull to anyone fighting thier claims. They are saying that if I provide access to content VIA my website. This can be seen by many a judge as a bullying tactic. Am I infringing upon their patent if I link to another site that does? I don't think so. This has already been held up in court rulings if I recall correctly. Courts generally do not like bullies.

I'm looking at it this way.... the crap they sent me in the mail is nothing more than snail mail spam. Might as well be a Publishers Clearinghouse package. They wanna send me a subpoena, let them. They can piss their money away. I'm not sending Acacia a fucking dime.

tootie · 10-23-2003, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
MC as in Max Cash? Yes I do have a account there

No, MC as in Matrix Content.

Amputate Your Head · 10-23-2003, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
MC as in Max Cash? Yes I do have a account there

Matrix Content

Mr Pheer · 10-23-2003, 03:35 PM

The way I see it, and I'm no attorney so i could be wrong... Bot suppose company "A" supplies videofeeds for websites, and company "A" pays acacia thier fees... ok now since the fee on that video has been paid, why would company "B" who leases the fee also have to pay? Its already been paid by company "A"!

And why would the webmaster thats sending traffic to company "B" thru links also have to pay?

Sounds like bullshit to me. They wont see a dime out of me, i do not provide video, and I damn sure wont pay them cause the sites that I link to provide video.

Sly_RJ · 10-23-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
what about some type of counter suit.... u can sue people for harassment in this country... seems like thats what theyre doing... just harassing webmasters into paying... they know that a lot of people cannot afford to fight them...

I was thinking about harassment, too.

JSA Matt · 10-23-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm looking at it this way.... the crap they sent me in the mail is nothing more than snail mail spam. Might as well be a Publishers Clearinghouse package. They wanna send me a subpoena, let them. They can piss their money away. I'm not sending Acacia a fucking dime.

I'm thinking the same thing now that everyone and their mother is getting this letter

Choker, no.. not Maxcash

myjah · 10-23-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

On a different note, I have avoided the Acacia threads like the plague until now. It is not that I do not care, it is because it does not directly affect me. The sites that have the movies on them are the ones that are responsible, or at least this was my understanding.

i was the same way until i read your post...now i'm keeping my eyes open. This shit is crazy.

SomeCreep · 10-23-2003, 03:36 PM

Acacia are a bunch of greedy old business men trying to exploit this patent for every penny. Fuck them

JSA Matt · 10-23-2003, 03:38 PM

I'm taking ACACIA to the Peoples Court!

Manga1 · 10-23-2003, 03:38 PM

Too funny. Acacia can suck my hairy ass.

Choker · 10-23-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by tootie

No, MC as in Matrix Content.

Ah, I probably have a account there not sure.
It is addressed to me and Chokinchicken.com they could have gotten the info off the whois. But chokinchicken.com is the site I sign up with on anything mostly.

Nysus · 10-23-2003, 03:42 PM

Is that not double-dipping, which is illegal? They already are getting money from the sponsors who have the sponsor hosted galleries.

Cheers,
Matt

JSA Matt · 10-23-2003, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

Ah, I probably have a account there not sure.
It is addressed to me and Chokinchicken.com they could have gotten the info off the whois. But chokinchicken.com is the site I sign up with on anything mostly.

Mine had no website mentioned... what about yours Amp?

doober · 10-23-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
Is that not double-dipping, which is illegal? They already are getting money from the sponsors who have the sponsor hosted galleries.

Cheers,
Matt

double dipping is fun, you should try it sometime

Eyes_Without_A_Face · 10-23-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuga
Are they sending that letter outside of the US too? I'm feeling left out.

Olá Tuga. Também sou do país à beira mar plantado

Sorry, everybody, let's keep it in english. I read at another board that people from UK and Netherlands also recieved the pack.

I'd like to speak with you to discuss how this shit can apply to us.

Can I email you?

Amputate Your Head · 10-23-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

Mine had no website mentioned... what about yours Amp?

I have 5 domains in my Matrix account, but none of them have sites on them.

cherry · 10-23-2003, 04:01 PM

Thanks for the posts, guys (and gals). I got that same fucking letter and wasn't sure if I should stop linking to sponsors with video or what.

Think I'll just go with the flow and tell Acacia to take a flying fuck.

Cherry~

Hey Acacia

Scootermuze · 10-23-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I was thinking about harassment, too.

I would think more toward taking the letter to the authorities to see what criminal charges could be brought on the grounds of making false allegations for the purpose of monetary gain.

Dravyk · 10-23-2003, 04:39 PM

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I have affiliate accounts with nearly every sponsor, but I promote NONE of them. I have accounts with almost all of the content providers, yet I have never bought a single video.

Quote:

I have 5 domains in my Matrix account, but none of them have sites on them.

Anyone ever tell you you're a strange guy, Amp?

Furious_Male · 10-23-2003, 04:51 PM

This letter that they seem to be peppering webmasters with from some sort of database. Is it legal? Meaning do you have to legaly follow up with them? Or is this just there way of scaring people to do that.

To the best of my knowledge you need to be served or at least sent a certified letter for it to have any sort of legal backing. Am I correct here?

bhutocracy · 10-23-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
plus its double dipping.

yup thats the most important point.

crockett · 10-23-2003, 05:18 PM

Quote:

quote..... You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website(s) without a license from Acacia, and are therefore liable to Acacia for patent infringement.

then why are they not going after Google, Yahoo, and all the other search engines? after all these search engines have more links to video than any adult site could ever dream of having...

can't say they arn't making money either.. being google isn't a charity nor is yahoo the both make a mint.

Acrapica is plain and simply targeting a narrow group of websites on the net and trying to extort money... I mean really if they are truely worried about protecting their patent then google and the rest should clearly be a target...

I have no video on my servers and I will go to court if I'm ever served...no way in hell I would ever settle.... but I really don't think Acrapica would waste there money on me so I'm honetsly not worried..

choker, I think your a target being you are a high profile target for them... Acrapica would go broke in a hurry trying to serve all the TGP's out there

phogirl69 · 10-23-2003, 05:33 PM

I got the letter too. But it's addressed incorrectly to Mr. (my first name and last)

I'm a MISS, there is no MR with my first and last name where I live so I'll just regard it as mail sent to the wrong person

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 05:34 PM

Acacia has millions of $$$ in the bank, I would sue for harassment.

tranza · 10-23-2003, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Chocker, get this.... I don't even have ANY sites, nor do I link to any. And I got a letter.

jimmyf · 10-23-2003, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
Acacia are a bunch of greedy old business men trying to exploit this patent for every penny. Fuck them

Old lawyers you mean, all lawyers are greedy dip shits.

SleazyDream · 10-23-2003, 05:57 PM

acacia will have to go after GFY - cause tons of people link to movies on here.

and what about newspspers, they can print urls.

and billboards?

and urnals - they OFTEN have billboards, what if a piss trough has an ad on it with a url that links to a movie. Acacia should probally sue the urnal to be fair..........

DerekT · 10-23-2003, 06:05 PM

You don't think they are viewing all these threads, please. How many of you have a WWW link when you post a message here. Why make it easy for them?

doober · 10-23-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
I got the letter too. But it's addressed incorrectly to Mr. (my first name and last)

I'm a MISS, there is no MR with my first and last name where I live so I'll just regard it as mail sent to the wrong person

not a terrible idea

wargames · 10-23-2003, 06:07 PM

got one to for my adult search engine and a couple of other link sites

TheFLY · 10-23-2003, 07:08 PM

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Who wants a piece?

Tuga · 10-23-2003, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eyes_Without_A_Face

Olá Tuga. Também sou do país à beira mar plantado

Sorry, everybody, let's keep it in english. I read at another board that people from UK and Netherlands also recieved the pack.

I'd like to speak with you to discuss how this shit can apply to us.

Can I email you?

fmfa at netcabo ponto pt

10-23-2003, 03:22 PM	#1
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	ACACIA IS going after TGP's and MPG's, Free sites, etc Got that dreaded letter today. quote..... You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website(s) without a license from Acacia, and are therefore liable to Acacia for patent infringement. I do not have a single movie on any of my servers. I simply link to sponsor hosted movie galleries. Just like millions of sites do. So now ACACIA is going after anyone that even links to a site that has movies on it? This is getting stupid real fast. Hasn't this already been upheld in court that a website is not responsible for the sites it links too? On a different note, I have avoided the Acacia threads like the plague until now. It is not that I do not care, it is because it does not directly affect me. The sites that have the movies on them are the ones that are responsible, or at least this was my understanding. If a sponsor I use has to reduce payouts in order to fight and/or settle with Acacia, then I would have no problem whatsoever in taking a reduced payout. But to say I am infringing when I only link to movie galleries? This is beyond absurd. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-23-2003, 03:23 PM	#2
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JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	I bet both of you have a MC account

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10-23-2003, 03:29 PM	#12
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	I don't use video, and I won't until ACACIA gets its head ripped out of its ass by the courts, but if they send me a letter I'm not the least bit afraid of letting it go to court. I don't like the idea of showing up in court because I'd rather people not know what I do for a living, but there is no way I'll pay them a dime when I don't even use the technology they "CLAIM" to have a patent on. So if it goes that far, I'll be heading to court, I guess. __________________

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Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	what about some type of counter suit.... u can sue people for harassment in this country... seems like thats what theyre doing... just harassing webmasters into paying... they know that a lot of people cannot afford to fight them... __________________ the revolution is coming.

10-23-2003, 03:33 PM	#17
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	plus its double dipping.

10-23-2003, 03:35 PM	#21
Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,297	The way I see it, and I'm no attorney so i could be wrong... Bot suppose company "A" supplies videofeeds for websites, and company "A" pays acacia thier fees... ok now since the fee on that video has been paid, why would company "B" who leases the fee also have to pay? Its already been paid by company "A"! And why would the webmaster thats sending traffic to company "B" thru links also have to pay? Sounds like bullshit to me. They wont see a dime out of me, i do not provide video, and I damn sure wont pay them cause the sites that I link to provide video. __________________ 2 lifeguards for Jessica

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10-23-2003, 03:38 PM	#26
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	I'm taking ACACIA to the Peoples Court!

10-23-2003, 03:38 PM	#27
Manga1 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Malakiaville Posts: 952	Too funny. Acacia can suck my hairy ass.

10-23-2003, 03:42 PM	#29
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Is that not double-dipping, which is illegal? They already are getting money from the sponsors who have the sponsor hosted galleries. Cheers, Matt

10-23-2003, 04:01 PM	#34
cherry Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: California Posts: 4	Thanks for the posts, guys (and gals). I got that same fucking letter and wasn't sure if I should stop linking to sponsors with video or what. Think I'll just go with the flow and tell Acacia to take a flying fuck. Cherry~ Hey Acacia

10-23-2003, 04:51 PM	#37
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	This letter that they seem to be peppering webmasters with from some sort of database. Is it legal? Meaning do you have to legaly follow up with them? Or is this just there way of scaring people to do that. To the best of my knowledge you need to be served or at least sent a certified letter for it to have any sort of legal backing. Am I correct here? __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

10-23-2003, 05:33 PM	#40
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	I got the letter too. But it's addressed incorrectly to Mr. (my first name and last) I'm a MISS, there is no MR with my first and last name where I live so I'll just regard it as mail sent to the wrong person

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