Brent was the 2nd person to pledge for Fight the Patent Foundation.... i have chatted with him a couple of times, he's pretty pissed off about this Acacia situation.... given the number of posts and reads to this thread, i would say there are alot of pissed of people!

:thumbsup

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I had someone send me about 6 videos that had a date stamp prior to 1990 last night! Some GL files and some propreitory "movie" files with their own players...

The movies were porn...... having non-porn movies would be even better, given the situation where this evidence needs to be played to a jury.

While the date stamps show before 1990.. "old school" hacker types like me know how easy it is to mess with the file date....so being able to verify the date of the files based on BBS logs (many are available on the web now) or CDROM archives will do the trick.

If you do find an audio or video file that has a date stamp before 1990, try to track down the author of the program.. their testimony could be used to validate the file...or try to find the file listed somewhere that will help to confirm the date....and lastly, non-porn files would be greatly preferred, but porn files will still do the trick.


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Just got a flashback reminder from one of the movie files that was sent to me, it was using the Sparkle player to show "video".

I remember in the late 80's downloading movie files that Sparkle could play (PC-DOS based)

The player is sparkle.exe or sparklex.exe that looped .PIC files

Release the hounds.............




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should be an interesting place today.

http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=ACTG

Just updated Searching.html with the following search targets:


Computer magazines that talk about audio or video, convergence of computers and entertainment, etc


Sparkle "movie" files


IBM Storyboard Plus player that would have had "video like" files to be used by this player


LinkWay from IBM. Similar to HyperCard (card oriented, has buttons, pictures and fields, not nearly as powerful as HyperCard).


HyperPad from (I think) Brightbill-Roberts. It's another HyperCard-like authoring system.


AVC from IBM. Features (anti-aliased fonts, digitized video and audio (requires special hardware), complete control over event synchronization).


Spinnaker Software is supposedly working on a "real" HyperCard clone that can read and write actual HyperCard stacks.



If you are joining in the search, please don't send me google search links... It would help if you chase down the link to the point where you can find files, contact names, company websites, etc that further elaborate on what I can find in doing my own google search (it would help me to sort through all the leads I get if people digged deeper beyond the google search result.)


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...just dusting off the dead brain cells i recall this book from my learning days:
(might be of interest to y'all)

Digital Coding of Waveforms: Principles and Applications to Speech and Video.
Authors: N. S. Jayant and Peter Noll.
Prentice-Hall, 1984, ISBN
0-13-211913-7.

hmmmm looks as if one of acacia's own investors has seen the light, praise the lord jesus (no not jesuscash).


http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...0497&mid=21943


The stocks will probally fall to a nice .68 cents each over the next few days, or so we can all hope, keep up the posts on the yahoo finance board and lets drive these fucks to sell:)

:glugglug

cool shit.....when is the court date?

Don't know because all the dates to begin keep getting pushed back... but I believe that is to our advantage.


If anyone knows how to get hold of MattO it would be tremendously appreciated.

What is the name of the judge that is going to precide over the hearings?

As you may know, I have taken FightThePatent.com to the next level in proposing to create a non-profit organization called Fight The Patent Foundation ("FTPF").

I am looking to see if anyone with webmaster lists would send a message from me to the list, to bring attention to Acacia and other patent abuse cases along with information about the Pledge Drive to support the start of FTPF.

More info about FTPF at http://www.FightThePatent.com/go

You can find my email address on the website in the contact section.

After a week of posting on the boards the info about FTPF, there has been $8,200 pledged so far with the goal of $250,000.

A long way off, but still a goal that I am driven to meet.

So if anyone could help me and this cause out, it would be greatly appreciated. I can pass on the message when you contact me.

Thanks,

-brandon

Image of orginal docs: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cachedpage/8798/1
PDF Version: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/rd/55648643%2C8798%2C1%2C0.25%2CDownload/http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cache/papers/cs/375/ftp:zSzzSzftp.orl.co.ukzSzpubzSzdocszSzORLzSztr.89 .2.pdf/experiments-in-digital-video.pdf
Found at
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/8798.html

They even talk about Pandora on the last page at
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cachedpage/8798/13

Brutha icedemon,

great find.. this is the documentation that goes with the video clip that squirt had posted... the defense team has this document... it's not considered to be prior art, but more complementing other prior art because it shows what other experts in the field were thinking and doing....to show that the acacia's inventor didn't come up with something new or novel.


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I went through that in a 9 month court case I just got out of . They continually pushed it back to make it more expensive, stressfull and time consuming. Hang in there!

You guys are all doing GREAT work! If anyone here is posting on the finance sites I would advise caution. It's one thing to work your ass off for prior art, it's another thing to manipulate stock prices.

You ROCK IceDemon!!! This is great.. keep it up!

You have a tallent for searching. I've been off today and will be tomorrow.. have finals to focus on so I'm counting on your guys!

FTP... what areas are we focused in right now? What's the most promising?

Articles like what IceDemon found, articles in Scientific American, Compute Magazine, PC Magazine, Atari magazine, etc..

Computer or scientific publications published prior to 1990.

A patent attorney suggested looking for these articles, not for the sake of them being prior art, but to go towards backing up the prior art to show what the mindset of technology experts was in the late 80's.

The closer the article sounds to the downloading of audio/video from a server, the better the article will be.

The more popular the magazine, the better.

This is where te concentration of searches can be to really help the defendants.


Here is an example of one article I found:
http://www.atarimagazines.com/creati...ers_in_199.php

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in addition to publications, i came across some other software that help visually show to the court about digital audio/video files



Sparkle "movie" files (collection of PIC files animated by the sparkle program)


IBM Storyboard Plus player that would have had "video like" files to be used by this player


LinkWay from IBM. Similar to HyperCard (card oriented, has buttons, pictures and fields, not nearly as powerful as HyperCard).


HyperPad from (I think) Brightbill-Roberts. It's another HyperCard-like authoring system.


AVC from IBM. Features (anti-aliased fonts, digitized video and audio (requires special hardware), complete control over event synchronization).


Spinnaker Software is supposedly working on a "real" HyperCard clone that can read and write actual HyperCard stacks.



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Ok great to see a strong guideline of what to go after!

I'll be searching more later today.

Keep up the good work guys! :thumbsup

Not sure if this is useful or not but found it interesting anyways;-)

http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/computalker.htm

Oringal page it came from http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/historic_pubs.htm


http://www.stcarchiv.de/hc1987/images/iconjon.gif

Source page is if you understand german i think it is..http://www.stcarchiv.de/hc1987/01_iconjon.php3

http://www.jamesalanpatterson.com/amiga.html

300 patents!

Can I hit it too?

awww... missed the top posting position....


Current Prior Art Search list: http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html


Found potential prior art (more to be added):
http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


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Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

In patent issues there's so much you have to go through and avoid. It can be a complex problem and sometimes not. I can provide you with leads to data I know is there by the tons but that's about all.

That one link up there has some mags in it from back then...The Jamesalan one I think it is...mags are down on the bottom.
Amiga ads ect.

Greg Welcome aboard! Better late then never!

You can email any info privately to mailto:[email protected]

Thanks for the input and keep up the search! We are making a difference here and prior art is being found. Keep it up and thank you!

Thanks Greg B!

I want to thank you all and tip my hat in respect!

very interesting

Good job ...
now you guys are blogging together ...
very kewl ...

I hope, the people who have viewed the video [i have not] have made backups ...

I would have retaken this thread from those posting 50, and 100's by posting a "Coles Notes".

Whose to say - those being sourced are not informed? And 2% means an easy way out for them as well.

I really mean - I hope you guys are making backups.

Looking for alot of things actually as listed on the URL at the top of this page...always on the lookout for more audio and video examples that is just so in your face obvious that audio/video was made available prior to 1990....as well as documentable proof of its existance (ie. CDROM's, BBS logs)

if you have some pointers to text or items on the searching list, pass them on to me.... i like reading techie stuff as much as i do writing (and i write alot)

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Brandon ...
I would like to make a suggestion to your homepage ...

in the top right hand corner of the blue column ...

it says
"Prior Art now being published for all to see, learn, and contribute .."

change it to

"Prior Art PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED currently being listed for all to see, learn, and make their contributions." : )
and still link
Prior Art ...
to <a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html" target="_blank" >http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html</A>

imo

[Edit - typo fixed : )]

ADDENDUM
<a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com" target="_blank" >FightThisPatent.com</A>

great post.. i am sending emails to the owners of these webpages to see if they can lend a hand in finding prior art.


thanx!


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Thanks Brandon, I sent you an email and told you what I could. When I get some info back from you I'll kick it upstairs to the biggest boys in the media to see if they're hip to what's going on. Believe you me, if my guys didn't invent it I'll be very suprised.

I sent this to GregB, posting it here for others to see.. feel free to pass this short summary to other people... who may be sensitive to coming to an adult resource board:


Acacia Research (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com) has patents
(http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/patents.htm) on the following claims:

The process of storing compressed video in a libary for distribution over a distributed network (optionally at the request of the remote user)

My version of the summary is:

The process of downloading audio or video files from a server.



Prior art to invalidate Acacia's patent claim must have a date stamp prior to 1990. A digitized file (audio or video) needs to have been made available on a server (BBS, FTP) that multiple people had access to it, to download the file.

This is a list of prior art leads that i am chasing:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Searching.html

This is a sampling of prior art that i have posted so far:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html






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I found this quote in a patent email-list that i subscribe to:

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If society allows patents in areas where cumulative innovation is the dominant mode of innovation, then new innovators end up carying the weight of the giants instead. This is because they need to license prior innovations before marketing their own innovation, and that expense grows exponentially with innovation generation for complex products.

(this is so simple you could put it on a T-shirt ;*)

See "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants: Cumulative Research and the
Patent Law", J. Economic Perspectives, Vol 5, winter 1991, p. 27-41
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~scotch/giants.pdf


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This is my reply, reposted here for your reading:




This is so true of Acacia Research's 2nd round of wielding a patent claim... first round with V-Chip, they got knocked down, but that was before they got companies to spend MILLIONS of dollars on "licensing their patent".

Round 2 is where they are making the broad claim to owning the process to downloading of audio or video from a website.

Acacia's attorneys cite that 150+ other patents reference their patent, as if that was some form of validation for the patent... more like the other patent holders citing all possible prior art as required by USPTO.

But Acacia's patent claims are like claiming to have a patent on a ball. Others may have a patent on a red ball. In this example, Acacia won't sue the patent of a red ball, but will sue not only the manufacturer of the red ball for patent infringement, but also the toy store that carries the red ball, for contributory infringement.

Patent Law allows them to do this... this is clearly patent abuse.

In real terms, Acacia is suing websites that have audio or video on their website.. they have yet to target companies like Microsoft, Real, or Apple for infringement.. these targets would fight back and tie them up on court. Based upon their failed V-chip patent, but successful licensing campaign, it seems to be the business model to throw a patent and some infringement letters at comanies who use the "alleged infringed patent" to "convince" them to license their patents.. using things like an "amnesty" cut-off date, where retroactive infringement fees could be accessed.

Most websites don't have the money to pay $10k-$35k to do the initial legal dance, so they have no choice but to license the patent. The kicker here, is that in the event the patent is invalidated by companies who do challenge the patent, they DON"T GET THEIR MONEY back from the license.

This kind of stuff really gets to me, that's why I started FightThePatent.com and my hopes to extend that work to Fight the Patent Foundation.

This is the new, new,new, new economy with the new kind of business plan. Get patents, get people to license the patents and bet that most won't be able to fight it, and will just settle. For those that do fight it, it gets stuck in court for years, but in the mean time, they collect licensing fees and continue to "convince" companies to license the patent.

This is wrong!

:moon :1orglaugh

already found it (tho, not hardcore anal)... porn GL file dating back to 1988.. .. the last issue is to just be able to verify the date...file date won't hold up in court since it can be manipulated...needing BBS logs or CDROM archive to validate it.. that's the main issue with finding these kinds of digital video or audio files.

If anyone is wondering why i don't post this video file on my prior art page at http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html must not be reading any of these posts about Acacia.

:Graucho


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FiveEyes has found a great example of a FLI file with digital images!

Prior art page updated at: http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


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