If this turns out to be the straw that breaks Acacias back, then all of you guys with traffic trades should be giving Squirtit a lifetime link :winkwink:

i agree... keeping the discussions quiet is a big part of the problem.

the biggest part of the problem.

Acacia is a publically held company. I would like to know that their shareholders know they are being fucked dry by a bunch of ambulance chasing attorneys on a flimsy case which is facing growing opposition.

this shit should be on CNN... not GFY!

Hey squirtit, if this works to get them off our backs, then maybe we shhould each send you 5 bucks.

Thanks man!

:thumbsup

Oh, and one other thing- any promising lead anyone comes across should be forwarded to :

Spike @ homegrownvideo.com

He isn't able to keep up with everything that happens on the boards and might very well overlook something important otherwise. Be a shame if somebody found exactly what was needed for a key argument and it didn't get forwarded on to the defense team...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mb?s=ACTG

I'm surprised that nobody has posted this GFY link there yet.

I'm pretty sure that It's not so much the hardware/technology that Acacia is claiming - but the method/process of setting up a library of content that the end user is able to choose content items from to be downloaded (or streamed) to him/her and optionally saved for later re-plays.

I agree....but better than CNN we should all go around and post on all the investor boards that prior art has been found....and maybe even a few of the ones left should files counter suits :2 cents:

If we could cause mass panic...might make that stock fall fast...taking there running capital with it :Graucho

Deeprub

It would be interesting to see what happens to Acacia's stock
price if the AT&T movie was posted to that board :Graucho

I've mucked around a bit this past year on that forum, tweaking their noses every once in awhile. But this one isn't my find.

Sure is tempting though...

Maybe just a wee link to this thread?

Why go to court at all? If the defending lawyers see this as proof of prior art, the patent office and their researcher is all thats needed to overturn the patent ... no?

*pffffttttt on acacia* :)

oooooOOOOOOO how diabolicly wonderfully evil ... I LOVE IT!
:Graucho

we'll see :2 cents:

Good point: http://www.yarbroughlaw.com/Patent%2...amination2.htm

Well if the video or thread is to get posted, Squirtit
should definitely have first option of doing it :2 cents:

After talking with you and the inital excitement at the find, the name Pandora stuck in my head.... i dug back into my emails to figure out where i had seen that name.

It was not until later that i figured it out...

There is no disparaging of you or anyone's efforts.... I am so glad that people like squirt and all the other posters are taking the time out of their own busy lives to help find the prior art.

I'm sorry that you feel that i acted like a referee in a game, but someone has to act as a clearinghouse, otherwise people would all be finding the exact same things.

With Fiveyes post, it seems to be clear that referees are unpopular sometimes with the players because the calls they have to make.

You think I have the patent on prior art searches? Puh-leeez.


Fight the Patent!

Patent lawyers seem to find me and they like my approach to fighting against patent abuse, and offer their time to answer my questions... fortunately, they are online and accessible.


Fight the Patent!

yes, an excellent point.. one that is echoed by some recent conversations with a patent attorney.

The initial debate was whether to even post prior art searches, and in the end, the decision was made that posting what prior art searches i was doing was a good thing.

The next step is to add to that list to include the prior art that was found so that anyone can view/read it.

I think it is a good idea, and I will create that page.

Squirt's find is an excellent one...... it gives those people watching it more information to help in their decision to fight or not fight against the patent claims.

This is what Squirt's find means to me... when watching that video, it just drives it home...... so it makes sense for everyone to view video clips like this or to read about the other prior art finds there has been.


Fight the Patent!

yaa yaaa..

:1orglaugh

Great find mate :thumbsup

I don't need to "control" things.. I have never asked anyone to do anything, nor have ever put myself into the drivers seat and ask others to hop in. (given the great number of great posts, maybe i should have asked for help... but then again, I have been posting the Searching.html page many times throughout the threads.).

What I have been doing with FightThePatent.com has been my own crusade, and along the way, many people have joined it and have contributed.

I get emails on a daily basis from people who have ideas or pointers for prior art.

I get emails daily from webmasters how are very concerned about these issues because they may have to settle with Acacia to protect their business. I talk to many on the phone in a counseling kind of way, to present all the issues, and I tell them if they have to pay the license, they won't be looked down upon by me, i understand the hard business decisions that people must make if they don't have the money to fight.

I put up this page http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html as like a FAQ because so many want to help, that it made sense to just point people to this page....these are the searches that I am looking for, but doesn't list what I have already found.. so I'll create a new FAQ-type page to list what has been found.. not only to help reduce any duplication of efforts, but also to let those who have an "information packet" to make some judgements on their own.

I am not hording the prior art finds from anyone. Any defense attorney that contacts me will get the same information that I pass on to the current ones.


Fight the Patent!

Yes, this is exactly the point that defense attorney made when I was confronted by some open-source developers asking why don't i just post all the prior art leads.

After some debate, the end conclusion was that if more people saw the prior art seach list and the prior art finds, then more could get involved.

This thread is excellent testimony to that point.



Fight the Patent!

I think your prior post was just confusing to everyone. I know it was late and you were VERY tired.... so don't sweat it.

I joined the crusade to FightThePatent because I was inspired by your drive, energy, and conviction to do what was right! There is more prior art.... not everything is posted on the boards :winkwink:

The other reason that was given to go ahead and list the prior art searches was that any prior art would have to be disclosed anyways to Acacia during discovert.

The original reason that the defense side doesn't want prior art published, is that the plantiff could see it and start amending their patent (which many do) to make the patent stronger.

They are allowed to add to their patent to make it more specific and address prior art... but if the foundation of the patent is found invalid, then the rest just falls down like dominoes....so that's why it was finally felt that releasing the infor was a good idea.


Fight the Patent!

Go for it fiveyes!! I'm tired and it's midnite my time....

Do what you guys think is right! FightThePatent!!!

Yeah this is all going to be found in discovery anyway..

Isn't it best they know now and avoid more costly litigation?

For those that understand Internet history, you know that Al Gore did not create the Internet.. one name that history does acknowledge as the "father of the internet" is Vint Cerf.

Do a google search on him and you will understand his contribution.

Vint Cerf is currently a Senior VP at MCI.. i have exchanged many emails with him, and he is concerned about these patent abuse cases, especially when it was people like him and his peers that developed the technology that we all use today.

Fight the Patent!

Man I just watched that video ---- thats insane!


It talks SPECIFICALLY about cataloging and image/video libraries. It's basic video on demand.

I'm eager to see how Acacia is going to dispute this one. I doubt they will just concede even though I think Berman said in one of his interviews something like 'If there is prior art, call us, tell us about it. We want to know about it' ... not an exact quote, but I know he said something to that effect.

way to go squirtit. that video is a nice find, but i'm certain that impa was aware of the bell labs research months ago.

Yeah isn't it great!!! Step by step.. on video and explaining EVERYTHING to a T !!

AND as pleasurePays stated earlier:
"Prior Art" as definined in US Federal Law

Title 35, United States Code, Section 102

Sec. 102. - Conditions for patentability; novelty and loss of right to patent

A person shall be entitled to a patent unless -

(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent, or

(b ) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country, more than one year prior to the date of the application for patent in the United States, or

Charly good points there.. and yeah ICQ me about the content... you rock man!!! ICQ 265912752

150 patents

Is that a $150 pledge woj?

:winkwink:

My guess is that Pandora's Box is the implementation of years of work. That is, if we look further into this, we might discover a whole line of papers that described the process before these people were able to assemble the components that demonstrate what we see in the video.

The video itself is very powerful, something that can be shown in the courtroom with that e-mail date being paused at. But they didn't just happen upon this, I'm certain there were papers or lectures that discussed "the future" that they built upon to get to that point.

In other words, I see the video not so much as a stopping point, but an excellent place to start working back from!

Again- <BIG><B>WooWoo!!!</B></BIG>

LOL.. and what does WOJ mean?

Is he being negative? Possitive.. Making it seem hopeless? It frustrates me when people post and they don't say anything

woj is a name, the 150 remark was neutral, but my stance on this issue is positive :thumbsup

Isn't it a bit ironic that this find would be named "Pandora's Box" :glugglug

Squirtit,

It was a bit of a inside joke that woj may or may not be aware of.

In Quiets IMPA donation thread (where he donated $5000 to the IMPA if others would donate at least $2500 - which he and they did)...

Woj called simplly "50" on the 50th post & I put him down unofficialy for a $50 donation :1orglaugh

YES!!!! First thing I thought when I found it!! LOL

Yes the companies technical papers on this date back to 1986 !

I'm still searching for more prior art as well

:thumbsup