Someone should track down the author of these research papers and get their input on ACACIA's Claims.

Author:
Andy Hopper
Title:
Pandora - An Experimental System for Multimedia Applications

I wonder what Andy Hopper thinks about ACACIA's ridiculous claims!!

Yeah good thing about it .... Video Documentation from Cambridge University!!! NO arguing with that :)

here's some more stuff that looks rather interesting... straight outta the IEEE Journal on selected areas in communications, specifically, Volume: 7, Issue: 5, Year: Jun 1989


gotta be a member to access the full journals, but you can see by the two pages of very descriptive titles that Acacia did NOT invent this shit.

:glugglug

they keep on saying that they've got many patents covering the different parts of the process and each bit of prior art has to be found to defeat the threat.. but I mean, who gives a damn about their crappy system and the way it works as long as the bit thats pertinent to us - downloaded video - is invalidated they can keep the rest and dance a merry jig

Okie dokie I will continue to install my old zipdrive ...
Hopefully - I don't have to install that old "DOS" that was also picture driven and which MS "drove over" ...

I'm pretty sure it was called "Gem" and I watched video play on it ... then it was an IBM based "icon type" system that mimicked the Amiga system ...but for PC's ..

Good shit!

yep - seriously, congratulations.. great find mate.

Yeah... all the time and effort... all the money... could have been spent on me .. a little Squirt!! ;) And God knows I need it to promote my site and make some $$$$ :thumbsup

Better yet this is Video documentation I've found.. detailing EVERY step and SHOWING it .. you can't argue with that ;)

Who ever finds this prior art will be getting A LOT of attention.
I will assist in making that happen as I am sure many others will.

Very interesting...Gotta bookmark this thread for sure...

Anything for the attention :winkwink:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

<BI><B>WooWoo!!!</B></BIG>
Between that video clip and the PDF file, every claim within the Acacia patent(s) is covered except for the end user being able to replay the downloaded clip later and having features such as Fast Forward, Slow-Mo, etc. in their player. However, I think that could be easily surmised from existing applications at the time, if not covered in some other aspect of their work.

Also, that PDF file was published Jan 12 1990, not quite a full year before when the original patent was filed, Jan 7 1991. There ought to be earlier publications that cover all this though (some are referenced in that paper).

I don't need Acacia to get attention.
I can do that on my own very well - thanky you very much.
It appears you need me to get attention though.
Don't fuck with this thread.

besides the simpson already doing it...... the defense attorney already have this lead.

it's still a great effort on squirt's part and it was great chatting with ya Squirt on the phone this evening.

here are some areas to poke around for prior art searches:
http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html


Fight the Patent!

Brandon ...
may I suggest you post like this ...

Doh! Just dropped my communications society membership for standards association and the computer society.

Think I can get at it through the computer society library though.. what a fucking mess their fucking sites are.

"GIF89a files (not animation or cartoony, but using digitized images in a loop to make a video-like presentation)"

Hundreds of thousands of webmasters did this ...
IMO

i'm surprised that Bell Labs the owner of thousands of patents did not patent this

i believe this article is more geared towards real-time voice, in devising a protocol that could handle the latency issues of breaking up voice into the tcp/ip packets.

acacia's patent doesn't cover real time streaming or live video/audio conferencing (which has been around way, way before acacia's filing date).


Fight the Patent!

That points out a lack at the present time- a definitive clearinghouse that shows what areas have already been researched, so people aren't wasting time running down the same deadends others have before, as well as some sort of coordination of examination of possible avenues of exploration.

It's all fine and good that there is such an interest and willingness to look for prior art on this matter, but a more effective approach is always the coordinated effort.

Very cool video... nice find!

When we talked on the phone you hadn't seen this video.. or the pages it linked to .. nor is anything pertaining to what I've found listed on the http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html And I'm sure that HomeGrown would have let all us know if this smoking gun existed. When I spoke to Far-L on the phone he never indicated this and hadn't seen the video either.

It's been a long day so I know I'm missing something here. Time for some dinner :glugglug

Oh and what does this mean? "besides the simpson already doing it"

They probably didn't patent it because some things are sooooo...obvious ...you can not.

Cars have brakes.
Computers have an off button.

When sending "motion pictures" you want to do that in real time or less then real time.

No you are NOT missing anything ...
"supper" sounds like a good idea ...
they too need time to digest ...
give them a few days or so ...

Well there is a listing at http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/Searching.html to give people guidelines on what to look for and what's been found... something better could be put into place.. time will tell if that effort is even needed in this case ;)

I was put off by that response to your find as well, it seemed to disparage the attempt. Sending the minions back out to dig deeper ought to be done without slighting previous efforts, IMNSHO.

BangBang: Acacia needs to loose!





excellent work squirtit!:thumbsup

BTW Brandon you told me on the phone I should come here and post for bragging rights then you post that they already have this lead?

Something isn't right here... care to explain?

I guess I'm thinking along the lines of something more explicit, like having a project management forum in place.

For instance, there's a TON of material that is NOT on-line and can only be researched by going through IEEE and ACM documents from the 80's at libraries. I have access to the UNO library and would be willing to devote an afternoon each week to this. However, I'm wary of spending the hours that would be entailed to find that I had simply rehashed efforts that already have been made.

Agreed

And those of us who are doing this research have lives, other responsiblities and bills to pay. I'm doing this to help all of us.. I think there might be a good reason Brandon said that... maybe something to help the defense.. I dunno. I'll reserve judgment until I get more info from him. :thumbsup

You have bragging rights ...
trust me ...
I've read every Acacia post on this board - I am aware of.

Brandon has to spin things too ...
Let him do his job and believe his personal ICQ's...

Yeah I feel ya on that one... better to talk to Brandon and find a specific thing to look for so there is no misinterpretation and you don't waste time.

I just want to know how he has access to a defense lawyer after business hours. That's a trick I've never managed... :)

:thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh - Finally Fucking Owned! Finally!

jDoG

Yeah I was thinking the same thing :winkwink:

Excellent, very excellent work my man! This looks very promising!

jDoG

People are starting to pay attention ...
he is only one person - let him do his job.

GFY is 24 hours a day ...
He has people he must consult with ...

Actually, I see I'll need to speak with Todd tomorrow about this. Brandon's OK as far as that goes, but it's become <I>very</I> apparent that I should work with the defense w/o intermediates.