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Tibetan Pimp · 09-25-2003, 12:14 AM

I ask this.

Say this gets settled. Say Amp gets paid.

What happens next week when someone sees another stolen design in Brad's program?

Don't you see the shit that this attracts.

Does this allow brad to go rip off as many designs as he wants, and when the owner comes-a-knocking, simply offer to pay then?

beemk · 09-25-2003, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
This is FUCKED UP. The man is begging you to call him and settle the matter, so FUCKING CALL HIM.

I guess it's true, that having money does not equate to maturity.

Before this thread was started, was Sin contacted? From reading every post in the thread I see no evidence of that.

But I DO see that Amp has not ONCE contradicted Sin's claim that he offered Amp money almost a year ago.

Remove the blinders, look at the situation from an unbiased eye, and call the man.

SHIT!

Mr Pheer · 09-25-2003, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
kinda like when you get bacon strips in your undies...you wash them, sometimes a second time with bleach...but ya still wear them sooner or later eh?

BACON STRIPS!! Ahahahaha!!!

Skid Marks... They're not just for underwear

TurboAngel · 09-25-2003, 12:16 AM

Lensman · 09-25-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

The point here isn't to get paid, it's to lynch Brad.
If the point was to get paid, a phone call would've been made the minute Brad announced his program.

Brad has offered multiple times in this thread to pay for the sites - just as he did a year ago. And Amp is not speaking up - just as he didn't speak up a year ago.

It's a lynching, plain and simple. Money was never the goal.

Except that Amp didn't start this thread, I did.

Simple fact is that Brad never offered to pay Amp. I pay him highly, and it's improper to use his work without paying him regardless of how he came into possession of it.

Brad Mitchell · 09-25-2003, 12:17 AM

I just don't get it... why? why? What have I done to deserve a public lynching for something I've never been given the opportunity to correct? Why haven't either of you called me? Why aren't you responding to my comments about how I thought we were friends?

Is this some SWOIT kind of rouse or what? I mean, I bought advertising on GFY this afternoon but this isn't the kind of thread I thought we'd hump to bring attention to my new program.

This hurts Lens and Amp.

Brad

liquidmoe · 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

Except that Amp didn't start this thread, I did.

Simple fact is that Brad never offered to pay Amp. I pay him highly, and it's improper to use his work without paying him regardless of how he came into possession of it.

Does that mean a request for payment has been made to Brad today regarding the designs, because it doesnt look like he refused payment?

BlueDesignStudios · 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
lens is going to win an xbox with this thread

congrats

Sausage · 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM

This thread really irks me ...

Ok ... sure it's not a design job, but recently a certian Dialer was sold to a certian huge Sponsor Program, and while we are only still owed a few $thousand rumor has it that if you are owed $ its gonna be REALLY hard to get them..... unless you are someone big and *important* that is.

Same thing, same principle, but I haven't seen many threads on it, or it even mentioned once.

Amputate Your Head · 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM

Invoice will be posted here.

coming soon....

but first.....

Brad, I want a temp pass to the members areas, so I can justify my invoice. (all of them) And a week is unacceptable. Access me now, while they are live. Otherwise I will be forced to speculate. You can email me at a/m/p/@a/d/u/l/t/./c/o/m/

remove the slashes.

PrivateEye · 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by cutetwink
If he's suck a crook how come his banner is flying on here today? Did he pay for it? This is cheep you take the mans $$ for a banner spot then try to make him look bad like this...

Attacking the advertising again?

Somebody call Brad Shaw at home and wake him up he would enjoy this

Lens and Amp both attacked him for how he handle business on here....he got fucked on alot more money and nobody offered to pay him back...but this poor bastard is getting stabbed in the back with no warning at all. Seems to me like he is having to beg...lol...funny shit

Deeprub

Donny · 09-25-2003, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

So you were going to cut a check without this thread? Hahaha

Did anyone privately email him and ask him to?

Amp does NOT contradict Sin's claim to attempt to pay him a YEAR ago.

Sounds like a good man to me.

I can tell you ONE THING, though.... after reading this thread I WILL NOT BE CUTTING A CHECK for advertising on GFY (I fully intented to advertise this month: I had Eric email ad rates to me yesterday). I now see how advertisers are treated.

A private phone call or email would likely have resulted in a check being issued.

This is VERY, VERY fucked up!

integrated · 09-25-2003, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut

okay dickless

that hurt

i know its small please dont pick on me

neewwman · 09-25-2003, 12:20 AM

This is totally fucked.

Calling someone out on this board should be an absolute last resort.

Brad is more concerned than anyone else I know about his reputation for integrity and fair dealing. Making all this public before there was a fair effort to resolve it privately is a sucker punch.

No one has yet disputed Brad's version of the facts, although some apparently think he should have just walked away from a $6,000 investment. Seems to me that if he offered compensation and Amp didn't take it, Brad's in the clear.

chodadog · 09-25-2003, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Invoice will be posted here.

coming soon....

An invoice should have been the first thing sent to Brad's email. You should have given him a chance to pay you without dragging his name through the mud. I simply can't believe the lack of professionalism in this thread.

XxXotic · 09-25-2003, 12:20 AM

this is wacky

Mr Pheer · 09-25-2003, 12:21 AM

somebody lock this thread

integrated · 09-25-2003, 12:21 AM

this thread is as full as a prostitute on a Saturday night

liquidmoe · 09-25-2003, 12:22 AM

This thread could have been avoided it seems.

Amputate Your Head · 09-25-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by neewwman
Brad is more concerned than anyone else I know about his reputation for integrity and fair dealing.

oh really?

Lensman · 09-25-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog

An invoice should have been the first thing sent to Brad's email. You should have given him a chance to pay you without dragging his name through the mud. I simply can't believe the lack of professionalism in this thread.

He was on notice about stolen designs. Enough said.

vapewiz · 09-25-2003, 12:23 AM

WAS BRAD BANNED? IF SO THAT IS BULLSHIT.

Ludedude · 09-25-2003, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

He was on notice about stolen designs. Enough said.

How much to buy this treatment for someone else who stole one of mine?

4Pics · 09-25-2003, 12:23 AM

Where's Fantasyman and Serge when you need them.

Donny · 09-25-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by neewwman
This is totally fucked.

Calling someone out on this board should be an absolute last resort.

Brad is more concerned than anyone else I know about his reputation for integrity and fair dealing. Making all this public before there was a fair effort to resolve it privately is a sucker punch.

No one has yet disputed Brad's version of the facts, although some apparently think he should have just walked away from a $6,000 investment. Seems to me that if he offered compensation and Amp didn't take it, Brad's in the clear.

A-fucking-men!

Honeyslut · 09-25-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by integrated

that hurt

i know its small please dont pick on me

Then don't call me an airhead..

If you guys are going to dish it out at me, don't fucking whine when I give it back

( fucking )

TheJimmy · 09-25-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrPheer

BACON STRIPS!! Ahahahaha!!!

Skid Marks... They're not just for underwear

HELL yeh

BACONNNNNNN

(thinking of that funny ass commercial with the dog that's obsessed about the BACONNNNN)

thank god for beef bacon, I never bought that shit about it being the 'other white meat'

Lensman · 09-25-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

A-fucking-men!

Let everyone know the url to to take your work from.

Ludedude · 09-25-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut

( fucking )

Pics?

Mr.Fiction · 09-25-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by cutetwink
WAS BRAD BANNED? IF SO THAT IS BULLSHIT.

Brad and Labret in the same thread?

liquidmoe · 09-25-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Brad and Labret in the same thread?

Maybe they are actually discussing the matters in private instead of playing tag on the board

Lensman · 09-25-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Are Brad and Labret the same person?

We did have to block some Labret IPs tonite. Does he use the same?

Tibetan Pimp · 09-25-2003, 12:26 AM

Maybe Amp hasn't addressed the $ yet, but Brad has not addressed why he feels it's okay to launch a program with designs HE ADMITTEDLY DID / DOES NOT KNOW WHO DESIGNED.

Groove · 09-25-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
Like this couldn't have been handled simply by emailing Brad. Brad is solid. He's never ripped anyone off. He offered to pay Amp, and amp declined. What the hell makes you (Lens) and Amp believe that he wouldn't have paid if he had been asked to privately? I wholeheartedly believe he would have. He is one of the most honest people in the business.

And even if you didn't believe he would pay (for some fucked up reason), you couldn't have at least tried before dragging someone's name through the mud?

He paid for those designs in good faith. He offered to pay the original designers for them. Amp said that it was duane that owed him, and not Brad. I don't see the problem.

Using the stolen car analogy:

Amp sells his car to Duane, and Duane sells it to Brad. Duane never pays Amp for the car, and Brad realises, oh shit.. this car is stolen. Brad offers to pay Amp for the car, having already lost a bunch of money to Duane. Amp declines, and says he'll get the money that Duane owes him. That means Amp ends up with the cash he is entitled to. Brad gets the designs he paid for. Duane ends up with nothing.

Amp's inability to collect from Duane makes Brad the crook? What the fuck are you guys smoking?

Again. Handled privately, i have no doubt that Brad would have paid if he was asked. This thread is a fucking joke.

Good summary

Welcome to another GFY lynching

Honeyslut · 09-25-2003, 12:27 AM

Brad is a nice guy and probably the only one I would hate to have seen a thread like this .

ytcracker · 09-25-2003, 12:27 AM

this thread is a quick mover

liquidmoe · 09-25-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Tibetan Pimp
Maybe Amp hasn't addressed the $ yet, but Brad has not addressed why he feels it's okay to launch a program with designs HE ADMITTEDLY DID / DOES NOT KNOW WHO DESIGNED.

He stated he tracked down the designers and compensated them and/or discussed the matter well before the program as launched. That hasnt bee disputed yet.

Amputate Your Head · 09-25-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Amp does NOT contradict Sin's claim to attempt to pay him a YEAR ago.

no one ever offered to pay me for that work, other than Duane, oh he offered all right.... which he did not do....

ass. How's your fucking foot taste.

Tibetan Pimp · 09-25-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
He stated he tracked down the designers and compensated them and/or discussed the matter well before the program as launched. That hasnt bee disputed yet.

Wrong. He stated he TRIED to track them down before launching the program. He admits, hos own fucking words, he does not know who should be paid for the designs.

Your saying because he tried, he should be able to use the designs now?

onlymovies · 09-25-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by SinEmpire

Lensman, without even thinking twice about it. Amp and I talked about this a long time ago and he told me that the debt was Duane's. If Amp had a change of heart on the situation, which he clearly has now that the sites are launched, I absolutely would have done whatever he thought was needed to make the situation right.

Brad, don't sweat it. Whatever is going on don't try and figure it out.....just forget about it. Pay the man and be done with it.

Carrie · 09-25-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

Except that Amp didn't start this thread, I did.

Yeppers, and 2/3rds of the way down on the 2nd page of this thread you tell Brad that he never should've gotten on your bad side.

Everyone sees the old thread Lens, and they see Brad offering again and again in this thread to pay up (with no response). Let Amp give the man a figure, because it's backfiring like a machine gun at this point.

Sausage · 09-25-2003, 12:30 AM

Noone is coming out of this thread clean.

Why it couldn't have been handled in private I don't know. Brad must not be large enough to justify that courtesy or am I missing something ?

Donny · 09-25-2003, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

Let everyone know the url to to take your work from.

Let me summarize what I've gathered from this board, that Amp has NOT disputed:

Sin: Hey Amp, I bought some designs. Found out they may have been stolen from you. This sucks. What do I owe you?

Amp: Nothing. You weren't the thief, it's not your fault.

Sin: Okay, man. If you change your mind let me know.

[ONE YEAR LATER]

Lens: You're a bastard Sin! Why didn't you pay Amp?

Amp: Yeah, why didn't you, ya bitch!

Sin: What the fuck? I offered! You declined! Why didn't you let me know you changed your mind and wanted some money? I offered it to you once, why wouldn't I offer it again?

Amp: [silence on this matter]

Lens: You're still a bastard. I won't admit I should have handled this a little better. Looks like you're a good guy after all, but I've stuck my neck out and can't take it back.

That about sums it up....

Amputate Your Head · 09-25-2003, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie

Yeppers, and 2/3rds of the way down on the 2nd page of this thread you tell Brad that he never should've gotten on your bad side.

Everyone sees the old thread Lens, and they see Brad offering again and again in this thread to pay up (with no response). Let Amp give the man a figure, because it's backfiring like a machine gun at this point.

as soon as I get access to those members areas wise ass. And if it comes next week, that's too fucking late. I wanna see the shit right fucking now. Before someone changes them.

christ you're fucking annoying.

chodadog · 09-25-2003, 12:31 AM

Lens & Amp

Seeing as you didn't respond to it, i'll post it again. The car analogy seems to have been used a fair bit in this thread. So, using that analogy:

Amp sells his car to Duane, and Duane sells it to Brad. Duane never pays Amp for the car, and Brad realises, oh shit.. this car is stolen. Brad offers to pay Amp for the car, having already lost a bunch of money to Duane. Amp declines, and says he'll get the money that Duane owes him. That means Amp ends up with the cash he is entitled to. Brad gets the designs he paid for. Duane ends up with nothing.

Amp's inability to collect from Duane makes Brad the crook?

If Amp couldn't have collected from Duane, he should have invoiced Brad, privately. Then it would be up to Brad to collect from Duane to get his 6 grand back. Problem solved.

Why was this not done?

ytcracker · 09-25-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

That about sums it up....

looks like a play or readers theater or something

Ludedude · 09-25-2003, 12:33 AM

I can't believe no one has posted this yet...

liquidmoe · 09-25-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Tibetan Pimp

Wrong. He stated he TRIED to track them down before launching the program. He admits, hos own fucking words, he does not know who should be paid for the designs.

Your saying because he tried, he should be able to use the designs now?

No, he specifically discussed the matter with Amp before launching the program where he was supposedly (not yet disputed) led to believe that everything was ok since he wasnt the one who actually ripped Amp off. He has made attempts to compensate designers, and no one who has come to him regarding this matter, requesting payment, has been denied as far as I can tell.

Ketadream · 09-25-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

as soon as I get access to those members areas wise ass. And if it comes next week, that's too fucking late. I wanna see the shit right fucking now. Before someone changes them.

christ you're fucking annoying.

So call him...he's asked a few times to be called reguarding this.

Mr Pheer · 09-25-2003, 12:33 AM

299....

09-25-2003, 12:14 AM	#251
Tibetan Pimp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 63	I ask this. Say this gets settled. Say Amp gets paid. What happens next week when someone sees another stolen design in Brad's program? Don't you see the shit that this attracts. Does this allow brad to go rip off as many designs as he wants, and when the owner comes-a-knocking, simply offer to pay then? Last edited by Tibetan Pimp; 09-25-2003 at 12:17 AM..

09-25-2003, 12:17 AM	#256
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I just don't get it... why? why? What have I done to deserve a public lynching for something I've never been given the opportunity to correct? Why haven't either of you called me? Why aren't you responding to my comments about how I thought we were friends? Is this some SWOIT kind of rouse or what? I mean, I bought advertising on GFY this afternoon but this isn't the kind of thread I thought we'd hump to bring attention to my new program. This hurts Lens and Amp. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

09-25-2003, 12:18 AM	#260
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09-25-2003, 12:18 AM	#259
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	This thread really irks me ... Ok ... sure it's not a design job, but recently a certian Dialer was sold to a certian huge Sponsor Program, and while we are only still owed a few $thousand rumor has it that if you are owed $ its gonna be REALLY hard to get them..... unless you are someone big and important that is. Same thing, same principle, but I haven't seen many threads on it, or it even mentioned once.

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Tibetan Pimp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 63	Maybe Amp hasn't addressed the $ yet, but Brad has not addressed why he feels it's okay to launch a program with designs HE ADMITTEDLY DID / DOES NOT KNOW WHO DESIGNED.

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09-25-2003, 12:30 AM	#292
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Noone is coming out of this thread clean. Why it couldn't have been handled in private I don't know. Brad must not be large enough to justify that courtesy or am I missing something ?

09-25-2003, 12:31 AM	#295
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	<font size=+3><B>Lens & Amp</b></font> Seeing as you didn't respond to it, i'll post it again. The car analogy seems to have been used a fair bit in this thread. So, using that analogy: Amp sells his car to Duane, and Duane sells it to Brad. Duane never pays Amp for the car, and Brad realises, oh shit.. this car is stolen. Brad offers to pay Amp for the car, having already lost a bunch of money to Duane. Amp declines, and says he'll get the money that Duane owes him. That means Amp ends up with the cash he is entitled to. Brad gets the designs he paid for. Duane ends up with nothing. Amp's inability to collect from Duane makes Brad the crook? If Amp couldn't have collected from Duane, he should have invoiced Brad, <B><i>privately</i></B>. Then it would be up to Brad to collect from Duane to get his 6 grand back. Problem solved. Why was this not done? __________________ 26 + 6 = 1 Last edited by chodadog; 09-25-2003 at 12:34 AM..

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