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Amputate Your Head · 09-24-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
Well there is the obvious culprit. The rest of it is murky, I would just say not to use the designs but if Brad did pay money for them, then its a bit different. Just another reason why you have to be careful with whom you do business.

I give a fuck what he paid for them to ANYONE. If someone steals your fucking car and sells it to your neighbor, is your neighbor in the clear because he PAID someone money for it?

please...

Mr.Fiction · 09-24-2003, 11:00 PM

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
100?

Nope

BlueDesignStudios · 09-24-2003, 11:00 PM

damn this thread moves too fast for all of us

Tibetan Pimp · 09-24-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by SinEmpire

No man read MY post in there and my subsequent posts on the following two pages. I don't know what you're smoking tonight but we talked about this stuff way back then when I was trying to search out all the artists after I found out the stuff I bought was from a con-artist who didn't pay all of his designers.

Lensman, you think I chose to do business with a known thief? Christ man, I bought that stuff in August of 2002 and didn't find out until months later that the guy was a con and that I got scammed. After which, I did the right thing and sought out designers here on GFY.

Brad

"I just purchased a bunch of stolen designs from a known theif.. OH SHIT.. better try and clean my house before the shit hits the fan. Ohh.. and I know Amp did most of these designs, but that'll be expensive. Best make him come to me then go to him."

Give me a break.

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I give a fuck what he paid for them to ANYONE. If someone steals your fucking car and sells it to your neighbor, is your neighbor in the clear because he PAID someone money for it?

please...

Obviously not, has the issue of compensation ever been clearly addressed though ?

Mr.Fiction · 09-24-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
Nope

WiredGuy · 09-24-2003, 11:02 PM

I don't know the facts behind each party, but I would like to ask this. Amp, what would you like as compensation and what did Brad offer?

WG

Zorgman · 09-24-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Dildozer
i'll have major coffee please

I'll take one double decaffeinated caffeinated coffee. Thanks

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

4Pics · 09-24-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
100

nope

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Zorgman

I'll take one double decaffeinated caffeinated coffee. Thanks

i was gonna run for coffee but FUCK not yet

lEricPl · 09-24-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I don't know the facts behind each party, but I would like to ask this. Amp, what would you like as compensation and what did Brad offer?

WG

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

i was gonna run for coffee but FUCK not yet

Gotta come prepared, I had mine before the thread opened

Mr.Fiction · 09-24-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I give a fuck what he paid for them to ANYONE. If someone steals your fucking car and sells it to your neighbor, is your neighbor in the clear because he PAID someone money for it?

He didn't steal it, you gave it to him, right?

BlueDesignStudios · 09-24-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by 4Pics

nope

Hey it was 100 when I pressed it.. my posts are bumping around

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
Gotta come prepared, I had mine before the thread opened

i hear that

the Shemp · 09-24-2003, 11:06 PM

its looks like as long as the designs were never used or online, Amp went along with that. Once they were put into use he became very concerned and quite rightly so.

jimmy3way · 09-24-2003, 11:06 PM

I guess this shit explains why my designer follows me to the ATM whenever he hands me an invoice.

EscortBiz · 09-24-2003, 11:07 PM

God have mercy on your children like a father has mercy on his child, amen

Amputate Your Head · 09-24-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
its looks like as long as the designs were never used or online, Amp went along with that. Once they were put into use he became very concerned and quite rightly so.

precisely.

You fuckers better listen to Shemp.... this man is smart.

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
God have mercy on your children like a father has mercy on his child, amen

j/k

kenny · 09-24-2003, 11:08 PM

I have no clue about this situation. But nothing is worse then working and not getting paid for it..

BlueDesignStudios · 09-24-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
this board sometimes reminds me of my fucking sister-in-law's kids

First time I read that I thought you said you fucked your sister-in-laws kids

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by kenny
I have no clue about this situation. But nothing is worse then working and not getting paid for it..

thats how i feel about all this damn chinese traffic I got

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

precisely.

You fuckers better listen to Shemp.... this man is smart.

Did Brad make any promises not to use the designs since it was obvious that after he bought them he eventually found out about the fraud. If he did then it's certainly a fuct situation regardless of whether or not he got ripped off.

TheJimmy · 09-24-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
God have mercy on your children like a father has mercy on his child, amen

amen

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by kenny
I have no clue about this situation. But nothing is worse then working and not getting paid for it..

Been there done that to the tune of like $4-5K this May.

Lensfayg · 09-24-2003, 11:11 PM

Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

Someone has a fan

NaughtyJenn · 09-24-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

i have been reading and not posting in this thread because it doesnt pertain to myself.. nor does it have anything to do with you so take your clown shoes and get the fuck out... sorry to say that folks but ive had enough of stupid retarded "fictional" people today

4Pics · 09-24-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
Did Brad make any promises not to use the designs since it was obvious that after he bought them he eventually found out about the fraud. If he did then it's certainly a fuct situation regardless of whether or not he got ripped off.

Bottom line is, they are his designs and he was not paid for them.

integrated · 09-24-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

you are going to get banned mofo

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
Someone has a fan

sounds like jealousy to me

Brad Mitchell · 09-24-2003, 11:13 PM

Because nobody seems to quite have the proper chain of events, here is the short course.

Some guy named Duane/Pensfan screwed a lot of people. I never knew he existed. At some point I was dealing with Traci at LiquidbyDesign and bought some banners. Conversations with her led to me buying an 'unlaunched' program site and all of it's associated paysites. I was just told that they were a result of a failed partnership, I had no reason to doubt that at the time.

Well, I got duped. After sending them money for the designs and domains I found out months later that the whole premise under which I made the purchase was quite a bit of lying. They weren't Traci's sites to sell, she was working on behalf of this other person. They weren't simply sites that weren't launched, they were sites that weren't launched with disputes and unpaid bills all around them.

Everything about the Pensfan ended up getting sorted out here on GFY. Concurrently, I did a public search here on GFY to try to find any other artists that might have contributed to the designs so that I could personally try to make ammends with them if their bill was left unpaid. I was able to find a few, including Amp, and everyone's response to me that the bill was Pensfan's and not mine even though I offered to make things right.

As far as I could tell I resolved any concerns about the website designs. They sat out of commerce for about a year since the time I bought them and this week they finally got launched. As far as I knew, this issue was put to rest a long, long time ago.

I'm just in shock, I can't believe this thread even exists. Everything I've always done has been above board and SinBucks is no exception. Amp, if you feel that I owe you money because Duane didn't pay you then for christ's sake I would have thought that with all of our friendly conversations in the past that you would have had the sense to discuss this with me. I already offered once a long time ago. I know I had ICQ transcripts from it but a long time ago you moved to a new ICQ number.

I thought that we were friends, that there was a level of trust and respect between us, and you're hanging me out to dry for a crime that someone else committed.

Brad

Lensfayg · 09-24-2003, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn

i have been reading and not posting in this thread because it doesnt pertain to myself.. nor does it have anything to do with you so take your clown shoes and get the fuck out... sorry to say that folks but ive had enough of stupid retarded "fictional" people today

Who cares what you think you two bit washed up internet whore.

Do I have to sign the motherfucker labret?

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by SinEmpire
Because nobody seems to quite have the proper chain of events, here is the short course.

....

Brad

This is what I was wondering about. If Brad made attempts to compensate the designers or settle matters before launching the site then why is there beef now?

Mr.Fiction · 09-24-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg

Who cares what you think you two bit washed up internet whore.

Do I have to sign the motherfucker labret?

Mr Pheer · 09-24-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios

First time I read that I thought you said you fucked your sister-in-laws kids

4Pics · 09-24-2003, 11:18 PM

waits for Amp's reply

NaughtyJenn · 09-24-2003, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg

Who cares what you think you two bit washed up internet whore.

Do I have to sign the motherfucker labret?

washedup? shit i just started.. and hell i dont have to come onto boards with a "alter ego" to feel powerful

Tibetan Pimp · 09-24-2003, 11:18 PM

You should have dumped the sites when you found out they were dirty.

You KNEW this was a problem. You assessed the risk. You chose to launch.

Sleep in the bed you make.

Lensman · 09-24-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

Bye Labret.

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman

Bye Labret.

i love it.

liquidmoe · 09-24-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tibetan Pimp
You should have dumped the sites when you found out they were dirty.

You KNEW this was a problem. You assessed the risk. You chose to launch.

Sleep in the bed you make.

He says though that he made attempts to seek out the designers and compensate them, if thats the case he was attempting to fix the situation and compensate those who were actually cheated and still have a product that he spent money on.

Lensfayg · 09-24-2003, 11:22 PM

oh please dont ban me again massa

Carrie · 09-24-2003, 11:22 PM

This whole thing reminds me of Acacia.
"I'll wait until you start making money with it, THEN i'll throw a fit and demand my money."

In the thread referenced, Brad listed off all of the sites/designs he had purchased and asked the designers of those sites to step forward so he could pay them. If Amp wanted his money, right there was the opportunity to get it.

Now nearly a year later Amp is crying foul? Better yet, Amp is having Lensman cry foul rather than doing it himself?

Veterans Day · 09-24-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
oh please dont ban me again massa

attention whore

Honeyslut · 09-24-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lensfayg
Uh oh, Lens is mad.

What the fuck you gonna do you goofy rainman looking bitch? Half the dorks on this board could beat you into a coma before you took your glasses off.

Amp, fight your own battles.

pimple dog ?

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09-24-2003, 11:13 PM	#136
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Because nobody seems to quite have the proper chain of events, here is the short course. Some guy named Duane/Pensfan screwed a lot of people. I never knew he existed. At some point I was dealing with Traci at LiquidbyDesign and bought some banners. Conversations with her led to me buying an 'unlaunched' program site and all of it's associated paysites. I was just told that they were a result of a failed partnership, I had no reason to doubt that at the time. Well, I got duped. After sending them money for the designs and domains I found out months later that the whole premise under which I made the purchase was quite a bit of lying. They weren't Traci's sites to sell, she was working on behalf of this other person. They weren't simply sites that weren't launched, they were sites that weren't launched with disputes and unpaid bills all around them. Everything about the Pensfan ended up getting sorted out here on GFY. Concurrently, I did a public search here on GFY to try to find any other artists that might have contributed to the designs so that I could personally try to make ammends with them if their bill was left unpaid. I was able to find a few, including Amp, and everyone's response to me that the bill was Pensfan's and not mine even though I offered to make things right. As far as I could tell I resolved any concerns about the website designs. They sat out of commerce for about a year since the time I bought them and this week they finally got launched. As far as I knew, this issue was put to rest a long, long time ago. I'm just in shock, I can't believe this thread even exists. Everything I've always done has been above board and SinBucks is no exception. Amp, if you feel that I owe you money because Duane didn't pay you then for christ's sake I would have thought that with all of our friendly conversations in the past that you would have had the sense to discuss this with me. I already offered once a long time ago. I know I had ICQ transcripts from it but a long time ago you moved to a new ICQ number. I thought that we were friends, that there was a level of trust and respect between us, and you're hanging me out to dry for a crime that someone else committed. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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09-24-2003, 11:22 PM	#147
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09-24-2003, 11:22 PM	#148
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	This whole thing reminds me of Acacia. "I'll wait until you start making money with it, THEN i'll throw a fit and demand my money." In the thread referenced, Brad listed off all of the sites/designs he had purchased and asked the designers of those sites to step forward so he could pay them. If Amp wanted his money, right there was the opportunity to get it. Now nearly a year later Amp is crying foul? Better yet, Amp is having Lensman cry foul rather than doing it himself?