Whoever this person is - if he won his cases - he has fought for the existance of THIS board.

:GFYBand

hmmm

NO - child porn is banned because it is illegal.

2257 - is retarded. But acceptable Considering the emerging global informaton age in third world countries. Let's just say it is well known children will work 12 hour days 7 days a week - to feed themselvs.

Was that the first post?
No.
It was a fucking reply to the guy who brought fantasy into the discussion.

Having problems following the entire discussion?

VISA........

(a) Visa is a business. They are entitled to accept or reject any clients they wish. They are also a monopoly.

(b) I can't "blend" with the idea of bestiality sites, child porn, rape, torture sites. However, each country has their own laws on this and they differ - and they are entitled to make their own "rules".

If VISA have taken upon themselves some form of censorship, this is bad. Next week *anything* can be censored irrespective of whether this is legal or not in the country where VISA do business. It may be, depending on the country and their laws, that there is a legal arguement for "restrictive trade practices".

If what VISA are doing is selecting the companies they wish to deal with on the basis of content, there is an arguement that this is not censorship, but simply a choice they are entitled to make.
This is, in a way, is similar to ticket sales where there are considerable problems - VISA has a free choice to deal with ticket sales companies or not.

The main problem is that VISA is a monopoly operating globally and controlling the majority of the card market. This is unhealthy for both consumers and merchants. No one organization needs to hold this power. If that situation existed within one country, such as the US, there would be FTC intervention as happened with the US media recently.

Either way.. there is a no win here - either trade with VISA or not :)

MasterCard, Discover, and AMEX say "Hi.".

Nope ...
Who ever he was - he knows his stuff.

sexeducation:

PEDO DAD ... Since you *know* child porn is illegal in the location of your host and in Canada, why did you have child porn images on your "website"??

I have copies of your "website" with the images and also the images you stole - just let me know if you want a copy zipped up and sent thru! It may jog your memory!

Now...:321GFY

In fact, I fought first for my own survival in a free world ( literrally). If I had lost, the Queen of England, who was suing me in criminal court, would of fine me 500.00 for the first conviction ( cost 75,000.00 to defend the case). I had 160 titles in distribution.... 2nd offence : 5000.00 Third offence: 5 years in Jail ( that is a max security prison )... The cops already had charged me with about 50 different titles...

By winning for me, I cleared the path for others to enter the same field of activity..


BTW, the lawyer was Milton Hartman. He was also the Canadian lawyer for Penthouse and Hustler. Tough younger than I , he died 7 years ago jogging... He wanted to stay fit and in shape...

For me to say that a lawyer was a nice and honest man is not usual...

Anyway, baxk to get the fucking Ibill " webgood " pages to work....

so who decides what is VERY hard spanking? Do they have a redness chart that we can all reffer to or do they just deicde to pull your site is they are in a bad mood that day?

The Truth Hurts:

Not valid. An organization that holds over 70% of an industry *is* a monopoly.

The FTC were slammed for considering an increase over 35% in US media holdings by a group of corps. Even then, they were only proposing 40 something % - not in any way near the monopoly power of VISA.

then you are the person I need to know ...

directfiesta:

Gotta feeling I may know you and we may share some common contacts! :Graucho

Yep.. sadly no one is fuck all in the adult biz until they have been thru the legal censorship routine! :thumbsup

sexeducation:

PEDO... you gotta be joking!!!

I don't think *anyone* in this business wants to know you... so just :321GFY

hehehe:thumbsup

They lost a recent case and the court said *They are also a monopoly*.

Wal-Mart and others sued them, thought most on this board knew this.

As sad as this is you guys are cracking me up ROFL

. . .sheep fuckers lol

Again, I don't care what the court said.

Monopoly by definition means exclusive control... meaning there are no alternatives.

sarah_webinc:

I can hear VISA's defence counsel now...

"In this disgusting filth on photograph we have a girl with a redder than red ass Your Honour. Therefore VISA International does not want their reputation tarnished by associating with these deviant companies....." :1orglaugh

Irony is.. I always found barristers/bankers/accountants totally fascinated by the adult biz and likely get billed for 20 memberships a month. :)

The Truth Hurts:

Somehow I guessed that! :1orglaugh

Your 'inside information' is wrong. The letter comes from Interpay (NL), which is almost the only merchant provider who still alows bestiality transactions.

Because of the heat they have been getting from Visa lately, they are being forced to stop the services they provide for bestiality sites (although it's completely legal under Dutch laws).

The officiall letter will go out in December or January (a month before they terminate all bestiality merchants).

wrong beastiality is legal except a few states in the usa and some arabian countries, wrong rape as rape in the porn industry is legal because its just acting and some people like scat so let them fucking pay!

the only thing is that is upsetting is anyone can go to a xxx video store and buy these very tapes without any problem with their mc/visa/amex or what ever, I just see mc as wanting to regulate the industry and you can bet more terms like interracial , black , asian, gay or any other terms they find unacceptable will soon be on the list.But since I'm just a webmaster and not a sponsor , I really don't have any thing to say about what happens just diversify away from adult anything.

Fine, if you must get technical.. oligopoly.

But that's not really much better than a monopoly.

I was also sued in 1999 for obscenity and plead guilty to assignation ( after 2 years in court). This was a battle I won't forget and now with Sodomy overturned I would not even had to go to court, however,

Walmart has banned Maxxim (the man magazine)
and Spain doesn not allow access to non spain hostest sites
and China does not allow access to porn

There is censorship everywhere, from smalltown (suing me) to countries. Visa is a monopoly and knows its power and plays it well. Coming on the board and saying they should ban this or that is not thinking correctly. It will backfire at you one day.

First you censor "rape" pictuers than you censor Gangbangs and fish hooks because it might look like rape.

I am just saying be careful what you wish for.

at least 30 states have specific beastiality laws making it illegal.


Canada, UK, and NZ have have specific beastiality laws making it illegal. There are no doubt countless others, but I'm not about to look them all up for you.


Anyone that gets off on rape, simulated or real, and shit should be in an institution.

and its a misdemeanor offense.

Sodomy and oral sex is illegal in some states. Time to start killing off all the blowjob and anal sites.

Stop fantasizing about blowjobs as well.

you'd equate anal sex and blowjobs with rape?

The first two, would be consensual acts.... rape isn't consensual.
there is your distinction.

No, I equate illegal acts with illegal acts. As that is your primary concern is it not? Rape and beast are illegal so there should be no websites. Shit eating is not "natural" so they should not be allowed either. Taking a 14 inch cock in your ass is not natural.

Show me a website with women actually being raped.

Edit. re-read. So now its not a legal issue, its a consent issue?

Geez... Did not expect that you start talking about fantasies and so on on this issue.

Seems te be that there are a lot of different opions on: How to run a decent PORN website without being a crook.

Are all the online pornsites not online for one reason: Making money out of it?

Who put the kiddy-shit into this topic?

Get back to the nature of this topic and forget all the regulations in your own state/country.

Visa is not paying attention to that also.

Everyone seems to be forgetting (although pointed out by a few insightful posters)

1. Visa is a private company. They can choose not to do business with anyone they so choose. Claiming they are discriminating against you is like claiming the Hun discriminates against you because he won't list certain types of galleries. Get a life.

2. Visa is not a monopoly. They provide a form of payment. By and large, cash, checks, barter, other charge companies, and other forms of payment, when taken togehter, dwarf Visa's share of the payment processing industry. Forget it folks, Visa to paying my bills is nowehere near Microsoft to running my computer.

3. Visa is not an extension of any government, thus, they cannot censor. They just choose not to do business with some of us.

4. Whole fucking industires, very large ones, exist without ever taking a visa card. They do very fine, thank you.

If you want to offer content featuring people shitting on horses while they fuck their girlfriends, be prepared to think outside of the box on your payment solutions, because there are not alot of people that want to do business with you. That, in and of itself, is a significant business advantage if you know how to use it.

And, btw, this has nothing to do with any particular country. By and large, most countries are far more restrictive on acceptable content than the US, for example (I have had this tiresome argument far to often. Just because it is ok to show tits on a Fench beach does not mean the Spanish are friendly to dog fucking). It is just one fucking company deciding what they want to process for. If you wish to offer content that they choose not to process, find another way to get paid.

Re-read my post about Visa being a private corporation on page 2 of this thread.

That point is still being missed it seems.

visa sucks

Don't understand why you guys always bring that back to the US!
We are not talking about VISA US here, but VISA International. So stop looking at your belly button constantly.

And since you brought it up, All Europe, aside from the anglo-saxons countries, are way more permessive than the US and each of their local sheriff's. Ask Steiner ( Max Hardcore) about that.

FYI, Beast is legal-tolarated in France and Spain ( I really don't uinderstand your rant...). It is also legal in Italy, Holland and probably other countries.

The point of this thread is to focus on the fact that a private company, which holds a major part of the processing possibilities, can decide not to supply services to a legitimate business.

So if one day there is a political canditate who is not " proper", they could decide to prevent him from using VISA to raise funds for a political campaign...

wel look at the damn sig you have , if you not like the fact no one spoke out and and not like what they are doing get the fuck out ,
and you are wrong with what you said on a few things ,
those sites are a kind of porn that is a fetish , we dont have to like or agree with others like , but the stuff must sel and sell well tehre is alot of it around , i not care for fisting sites , but that is me i am not going around upset over it ,
you are right they are not goverment , they are higher , the goverment couldnt do hafe what they are doing , so get a life and think more

Don't know your stats but here Visa is 65% of my earnings.