its like battle of the tards in here.

both sides of the fence in here shouldnt be allowed to speak.

Its like listening to two guys from the ghetto argue over who was the better impressionist, Monet or Renoir. Its Monet of course, but thats besides the point.

:1orglaugh

Sure USA rules.

We can discus this for years what I want to say is that it is NOT correct that VISA can decide what is good or wrong for people.

There are laws for that and not only the law of the USA.

So child porn would be ok, if it were just fantasy?

Totally agree

ohhhh, you are one of them. I see your kind in public ever so often, and I always want to just start stabbing.

one of whom?
someone that would use your own defense against you? yes.

where do YOU draw the line?

Snuff films O.K. ?
and how about K.P.?

Is that O.K.?
After all it's only fantasy,,,

just not to some.

Don't ask me, ask The Supreme Court. Guess what they say? It is legal as long as it's just fantasy. For it to be illegal there must be a real child involved.

That is what the Supreme Court says that the U.S. Constitution says.

Do you hate America or do you agree with the U.S. Supreme Court that virtual child porn should be legal under the Constitution? :1orglaugh

And because I have different beliefs from yours, you feel I should be stabbed....?

Interesting perspective.

The Taliban didn't go into caves, they came to GFY.

hm...

I love america, and I disagree with the supreme court.

oh, and 50.

says the guy advocating thought police.

Ok, let's assume this is REAL CONFIRMED information from VISA:
Since August, 15 2003 the following niches will be illegal according to new VISA rules:

Models under 24 y.o. are illegal. Fuck, do you really think you want to watch 23 y.o. girl fucking? You are fucking pervert.

Models over 32 y.o. are illegal. Do you like to see mature ladies? - You are pervert!!

Gay sites. This is sick. No more gay sites.

Blowjob - Mother Nature is against this.

Drunk girls - drunk girls can be compared to underage girls.

All following fetish sites are illegal:
anal bdsm beast bizarre dildo fat footfetish pissing etc. etc.
Why? Because people who watches this are perverts, sick people.
And this is bad for our people.
FUCK, do you really this that forbidding anything can stop people from searching and purchasing it???

And who are you to judge what's good and what's bad???

The witch hunt is just starting.

WE are all against Illigal content as it will only bring all Adult webmasters down. The problem here isnt with what VISA is saying yay or nay to. Its the fact that they are doing it full stop.

I am not really experienced in the adult game but I do know that the only way to change something is to put your/our views forward to the people we have the issue with. If enough people bagged out and had a go at VISA then maybe we could get things back the way they were. If we had not only webmasters but also surfers having a go at VISA I would say they may sit up and listen.

Just a thought.

What goes around comes around!!

next time they say what groupsex or hardcore illegal

Isn't that what you're doing as well?
Only you take it to the next level, thought execution.

When did I say the government should kill you? Im merely speaking for myself. Would it be nice if the government rounded all you dumb motherfuckers up and ground you into soylent green? Why of course it would be, but I know thats only just my own fantasy.

In your world, what I just said would be illegal.

Do you see your own sickness yet?

It does not matter if the Act is Real or Fantasy. As an ex cop crimes against children are reprehensable and should be punished to the full extent of national or international Law. We as adult webmasters need to stand up and say that we do not want our kids being used abused and destroyed by some sick fucks. The world is hard enough for the young as it is lets not make things worse. Lets assist VISA in atleast one area of there rediculous endevour and make sure you sick fucks out there who enjoy kidy porn are fried and never grace the Adult world again. We dont need kidy porn there is enough good fun and interesting LEGAL content out there. AND I DONT CARE IF ITS LEGAL IN YOUR COUNTRY!!

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drinking and posting is bad. goodnight.

Who is starting about Kiddyporn.

NOT ME!!

Just a rapid recovery here. I love the US even though I dont live there. My last post was purely directed at kidy porn!!

:1orglaugh

Now here's where I apply your logic, to you.

I guess in your world, it'd be perfectly fine for you to go around raping every girl you see, with your finger in my cats ass, while you spank the little girl next door for shitting on your kiddy porn collection?


See how silly it is when you overextend specific points into broad generalizations?

huh?

......oh... and then posting pics and videos of it all on the net, and demanding visa process your transactions.

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Do you hate America or do you agree with the U.S. Supreme Court that virtual child porn should be legal under the Constitution?


There was discussion about fantasy kidy porn being allowed by the US Supreme court.

It doesnt matter if its kiddy porn or rape or beast, it should be illigal.

But isn't that done here on GFY multiple times every day? :Graucho

Take an ANGER pill, Carrie! Jeez!


"Fucking an innocent animal that cannot speak up for itself or defend itself is fucking wrong - and anyone who does it needs to be shot in the fucking head." Carrie quote.

Who made you the cheerleader for animals?

I personally have never seen an animal getting fucked. I have seen many a horse, dog, pig, and donkey fuck their brains out, but they were doing the fucking. I saw Linda Lovelace get fucked and sucked by a dog.

When do you have the time to watch such stuff when you have a business to run and a family to feed? Shame on you!

I'm against rape 100% in real life. But, are we supposed to eliminate all rape scenes in movies that are rated PG? Are all rape fantasies to be eliminated? WE ARE BEING RAPED BY VISA AND ACACIA. That is the type of rape that should be addressed. What if the actresses do not say NO when they are allegedly being raped.

Shit & Piss may be disgusting to many, but should it be banned? I thought the two were common every day bodily functions.

Animals eat shit all the time and play with it. Carrie, why not report such vile animal acts to the humane society so they can capture these animals and train them to be shit-free compliant!

Hey guys a question from my wife who is an Intensive Care Nurse. She wants to know where the thrill and sexual pleasure comes from scat???? She has to clean crap up regularly and cant see the whole draw and suggested these people who are interested in scat become nurses lol.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Could not say that better

It's not scary at all...Visa know what to do. all the things that you told us are illegal so for this time Visa :thumbsup

well I guess that each country should be ruled by different VISA regulations, so if in US beast is illegal, but in europe it's not, VISA should do business with beast in europe only... it's not up to VISA to judge whats right or wrong in a society... its up the own society... if VISA bans beast in a place where it's legal determined by it's community, VISA shouldn't do business at all in this place... then we would see some coerence there.... VISA want's to go over laws made by people in it's own countries... and that's too much for me...

I don't process beast, rape neither scat, but I really belive it's up to the own community to made those judgments... at least this is what we know about law issues...

:2 cents:

I am in real life a girl who cannot get pleasure from sex if there is not light forced role play or light spanking from my partner. I had terrible problems in it with my first husband and i am glad my partner i am now living with is able to play such games exactly as i need. I met several girls who are in similar situation. I hate violence, i feel very sorry for each woman she was forced to do anything she did not want to do, i am scared of being really raped from anybody different than my partner, i need to believe my parner he will not start this game when i do not want it, because i know it would hurt me much mentally.

Can you imagine my situation when i was 18 years old? There was no internet, i was feeling i am the only different girl at the world, that i cannot share my thoughts with anybody because they would tell me i am sick, i protect rapist, or in the worst case some ugly man could try to rape me in real what i did never want.

Maybe i would not be alive now if internet did not start. Who knows. First i browsed sites as girl's named Lorelai, i found Laura Werner's Spanking Corner, some other national ones and i knew i am not alone. Then i met my today parner and i turned to enjoy my life. But i feel a little bit shame till now that i get aroused in situation which would hurt many other women at my place. On the opposite it hurts me very much when somebody compares me, my partner and my friends to some ugly criminals. Difficult to find the truth, isn't it?

HAHAHAHA :1orglaugh :1orglaugh you could get shot saying that on here!! :Graucho :ak47: :BangBang:

As people have already said, it's got little do with law, censorship or community standards. It's like a TGP setting rules... you play by their rules or you don't get listed and even risk being banned from future use. VISA doesn't want to process or have their name associated with beast, rape etc because it's their choice....

I run
www.fareastmedia.com

I'm more than a bit concerned by this rumor as the web site has what some people would consider very hard spanking. (Its nowhere near the brutal sadistic level you see at some sites, though)

I consider my site extremely female surfer friendly. In fact, I get an AMAZING percentage of female members, WAY more than a regular site.

My take is that its an extremely common fantasy - by both sexes - and nothing to feel guilty about. Nobody ever says anything about the millions of guys going to female dominatrix but let a guy start whacking a girls butt and all hell breaks loose.

To put me further out on a limb, the site features hard spanking + hardcore, even more taboo.

Oh well, there is always checks and mastercard!
:feels-hot

So many issues here.

I'm from the UK. Legal age of consent here is sixteen. Human nature being what it is, that means there's a fair amount of fifteen year old girls having sex, and even a few fourteen year olds. I would not have a problem creating a sex site featuring sixteen year old girls from the UK. It's all consensual (in fact, you do need parents/guardians permission to photograph <18 in UK). Many in US would consider that (16-17) underage. I think their mentally retarded, but that's because I grew up with shagging sixteen year olds. It's all in the culture. That said, I would not go near <16 and real kiddie porn just plain wrong.

The age of consent is just a number. For some people it's the right number, for a lot it's the wrong number, possibly even to low at eighteen for some. And culture has a lot to do with where the right number is.

The netherlands and other european countries have lower ages of consent. I believe some might even go as low as fourteen. They are not backward third world countries. Their culture is different and they have no more social or physical problems relating to this than the US or UK does. It's all in the culture. The fact that I would blanch at fourteen year olds having sex and some Americans blanch at sixteen year olds having sex does not make me or people who live in these European countries monsters or pedophiles.

My last point is. It's not VISA's job to police this. VISA is a private company, and they can set the rules as they goddamm wish, but why the hell havn't these illegal sites been closed down by the police ? If it's because it's not truly illegal in the countries where they operate, then I do think it's a slippery slope. Scat now, Piss later, maybe anal in a couple of years. Porn in five ? Who knows ?

All in all, I am glad these sites are closing. I personally find these subjects distasteful. But somehow having the suits at VISA set morality rules for the whole world just sends a shiver down my spine, especially if they are based on rather repressed American sexual morality.

From a totally selfish point of view, I think these new Visa prohibitions (beast/rape/scat/spanking) may be good for the industry in the long term. Although in the short term it will certainly cause a lot of pain to people affected sites.

Its been pretty obvious that Visa and Mastercard are uncomfortable processing for online porn. Without going in to the reasons for that, their actions clearly demonstate it. There has been a gradual strangling of the industry (some of it good and some of it bad) and I think there's a good chance that it will continue. I also think that at some point they may cut us off completely.

So what are the prohibitions a good thing? Because I do not believe those sorts of sites will completely disappear; there is simply too much money to be made. Those sites will find and develop alternative payment methods because connoisseurs of those genres will still want the material and be generally unable to get it offline. The same thing is already happening with casinos. Unfortunately, since there tends to be antipathy between adult and casinos, the payment systems they develop tend not to be ideal for our needs.

In short, I hope that pain inflicted on a small part of our industry today will save the industry as a whole that pain later.

I think that free sites can make a compain against visa and start promoting some credit cards that don't have such policy. May be it's not a big problem for users who want to pay for porn to make another cradit crard. Something like:
"If you want to pay for porn in Internet by this card"
or something like that.
What do you think?