The way I see it - a lot of people here are talking like VISA are censoring content. This is mistaken. VISA are not law enforcement (at least not yet). VISA can censor nothing. All they can do is decide who they want to do business with and who they do not wish to do business with.

If people want to continue running these sites they can do so (providing it's legal in their community)... it's just a little harder then it used to be without VISA. But nobody is putting them in jail or telling them they can't do it.

I think this is an important distinction because a lot of the views here seem very polarized - like it's either VISA are the thought police - or like these sites are all scum who deserve to be shot at dawn anyway so VISA are doing us a favour (yeah right).

Also given the fact we are all (or mostly) adult entertainment webmasters the latter view seems hypocritical to say the least. I can guarantee you whatever kind of site you run someone will consider it disgusting filth and that you should be prosecuted or worse for doing that. Isn't it rather sad that as adult webmasters we can't escape that kind of stupidity ourselves and think more rationally about these subjects? After all if we can't do it how can we expect anyone else (not least of all VISA) to do the same?

I guess thats my $0.02

When IBM became too big and powerful, people turned to Microsoft. When Microsoft became too big and powerful as well, people started turning to Linux. Visa has gotten too powerful (ironically, from taking porn transactions!) so people are going to look for a way around them. They're just screwing themselves. I'm already investigating prepaid solutions myself.

Be careful what you wish for, next thing, its bondage, Gangbangs and god knows what else Visa sees as not appropiate.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its illegal. I personally do not care for the Fishhook stuff because I believe its very degrading to women, however its legal, the girls are legal and know what they are doing.

I think sites like BadTushy are cute and should not be closed.

Look thru your site and hope you have nothing in it that could fall into this category. Do you have any Gangbang Pictures where the girl is in the middle? That could be in the category of rape!

Don't wish for anybody to be shut down, it just gives Visa a foot in the door.

I was going to quit reading till your post showed up.

I'll try to go thru another 20 mindbended posts...

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Right on!

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shouldn't the american civil liberties union be brought in this .Fantasy and reality are two different things , it seems warning pages aren't enough ,What ever happened to freedom of speech?

See your point however that shit is NOT illigal in all countries and i for one think its scary that visa can dictate that.....

As somone mentioned they might go for hardcore gay content next which would SUCK.

Hell in some countries PORN is illigal completely

Everyone, meet Confucy. You may recall her formerly posting here on GFY as GooeyCandy.
She loves me to the point of obssession, she can't resist responding to me - and she never fails to call me a cheerleader and mention the fact that I have a family (as if that is something rare in the adult webmaster world).

Say hi, Confucy.
Surely there are plenty of folks here who will drop a URL sometime and you can go hunt down their personal sites and then email them with nasty letters containing facts about their families... yep, definitely lots of stalking targets here.

How are things going with Serge suing your ass for stalking and harrassing him as well?

Yet another for my ignore list - this makes two now. GooeyCandy was the first.

You guys all seem to be forgetting - or rather, ignoring - the fact that Visa is a business. It can do whatever it wants with regards to its business.

This is not censorship. No one is telling you that you cannot build these types of sites and yes, even profit from them.
Visa is simply telling you it will not process for these types of sites.
Go to MasterCard, Discover, JCB, Diner's Club... etc.

This is not government control. Gov't has absolutely nothing to do with this - it is Visa's decision. No, the American Civil Liberties Union does not need to be brought into this. And they wouldn't even touch it, being as they are the *American* civil liberties union and these acts are *illegal* in America.
What are they supposed to do, stand up and say that rape is a form of free speech? That you're being oppressed because you can't fuck your dog? Please.

Visa feels that if customers see them processing for these sites, that Visa's reputation will be sullied and they will lose customers. Therefore, to protect their reputation, their business, and to keep the business that they have, they CHOOSE not to process for these sites.

Just as you can CHOOSE not to accept Visa.

No one is forcing you to do anything. No one is censoring you. No one is banning anything. Those are things done by a government - and again, in case you missed it - Visa is not a government.

A business company has made a decision regarding ITS OWN OPERATIONS.

Don't like it? TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.
It's that simple. You DO have a choice. Plenty of them... I listed 4 above.

Many of you CHOOSE not to accept credit cards from certain countries. For the sake of your business, because you've found it to be detrimental to your business.
Oppressors! Censors!

Hypocrites.

I think there's a point that's being missed here though. Regardless of whether or not you approve of scat, bestiality, rape fantasy.. you need to realize how things work here in the US. First of all, it is my understanding that through several court rulings (including some against Wal-Mart in the past, I believe) when a private company becomes large enough that it can influence public decisions based on the company's opinions then it is no longer allowed to do certain things that private companies are allowed to.

Basically their freedom ends where the general public's begins.

For example, if Wal-Mart were to decide that they will no longer carry any computer games they will essentially be restricting what the general public can buy (their freedom). Sure, you'd say "Well, just buy the damn games online fool!" but that's not how things work in reality. Wal-Mart is the largest retailer out there and probably accounts for a good majority of computer game sales (I don't know of the actual figures, but I do know that if Wal-Mart refuses to carry you game due then 99% of the time your game will suck in sales and you'll be screwed).

It is large enough to influence public opinion and public choice.

The same can be applied to Visa. Visa accounts for what.. 70% of online adult sales? That sure is a lot of control over the general public. When such a thing occurs, the company no longer has the same freedoms as Joe and Bob's Diner because exercising some of their freedoms in certain ways would infringe upon the freedoms of the general public.

Yes, in my personal opinion scat and bestiality are nasty and I don't see how you can derive pleasure from it.. but, the question that's been brought up man times is "Where does it end?" Once you start censoring a bunch of things now where will you draw the line? And who will have enough power to draw the line?

If you want to hear the same argument about censorship please go to your local public library and ask the librarian about his or her personal views on censorship.

Indeed....

Where does it stops. If it is not scat/bestaility/rape/spanking where does VISA draws the line...

Visa is NOT the companu who can tell you what you may do or not.

Carrie....

You just see your opinion not the complete picture

all that babble and you still haven't got the point.

this thread is mindless and appears to be some kind of retard thinking competition.

Make some logic and make your own conclusions:

A similar to B, but A not = B

just think a bit.

Carrie Carrie Carrie! I have never stalked a living soul, unless you are referring to my kitty who ran away five years ago and I was forced to patrol the neighborhood searching for her.

Serge never considered suing me, you, or the man in the moon. It was all a show, you stupid Net-ponder. You are the one who takes shit off the boards. You are the one who manipulates your way around webmasters. You will kiss Saddam's ass if he has something you want.

Go back to your trailer and fantasize about eating Little C's pussy, dike snitching bitch. You are a mouth! You talk tough because you have a rough life kissing all those skanky asses. I hear Serge is looking for a new webmaster. Why don't you give him a call and see if he is interested in hiring a wanabie back-stabbling SNITCH-ASS BITCH.

Or better yet, call the government. They might want to send you to Iraq to *snift* out Saddam's location.

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so now visa is deciding what is constitutionally right? i absolutely agree that sites like scat, rape, etc...should not be online HOWEVER, this is a direct violation of the first amendment right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. most rape sites, spanking sites are simulated. again, i do not agree that extreme, hardcore, disgusting shit such as that should be up, but you cannot tell someone what to like, how to like it and when to like it.

you also cannot be contradictory. by that i mean i can go into blockbuster, buy a video with a simulated rape scene and pay for it on my visa card and that is somehow ok? visa is now stepping into a very dangerous area and where the impai is looking to stop acacia, another organization needs to be developed to stop Visa/MC from becoming judge, jury, prosecutor and executor!

mark my words, they are just now setting up for what will ultimately be their decision on what will be and what cant be sold and it will be THEIR rules if someone or something doesnt stop them now.

How sad Visa is blocking animal abuse, rape (even if its fake) and spanking...

i'm all tears... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Why should we think?

Carrie has all the answers

Good. And I don't like gang-bangs: disgutting all the cum on the face of that poor little girl...

Also, I never figured out the fun of dressing as a woman: this is sick and against nature....

And last, that gothic sex??? WTF is ythat. They all look like ghosts, dead people. It's similar to necrophila... That should be super banned...

Visa should ban all sites with this content. They encourage bad behavior....

BANNED !!! BANNED !!!!


PS: might as well ban the gay sites also: Bush and the pope said it is against nature...

SUPERBAN !!!!

Thumbs up for VISA http://www.deodorantshop.com/images/ban.jpg

you don't need politicians or religious heads to tell you that it goes against nature, logic should do that for you.

OOPs, did my sarcasm ( which you obviously didn't notice) touche a sensitive point??? When it is close to home, it is quite a different perspective.

Where is all your right wing bullshit that you spewed in this thread gone to????

so you put "fantasy" rape, animal "sex" and spanking in the same categorie the niches you mentioned above?

damm if you do you are seriously fucked up in the head m8, shame considered you a informed guy (regarding stupid Bush decisions and so on)...

it's in the previous two pages.

my opinion hasn't changed on the topic.

Censorship of any kind is should be seen as a negative thing, unless it concerns those who can not make an informed choice themselves, such as minors. CP is not porn it is more akin to terroism. and yes is rightly illegal, the laws are already in place for that even though sadly they fail us all many times.

But when this can of maggots unfolds, we will in effect notonly have to deal with all the regulations with are hounding our industry and livlyhood, but will also have to look much closer at what we produce.

In my line of filth, all girls are over the age...hell most are 30 plus.
All are into the spanking lifestyle, (u couldnt do it other wise)
my gfreind included.

BDSM/SPANKING/PISSING/ has been around forever....
and even though it turns my stomach so has pooping.
which for the record is the easiest thing to fake, ...
its all fucking nuts....im of to the casino :helpme

Rui, in philosophy, my statment is called " perspective from the absurd"... In other words, once you start banning " legal" things for moral point of viue, well you have lost the perspective....

" Fake rape" is not my cup of tea, but if my neighboor wants to perform it with his willing and legal age partner, I have no problem with that

" Beastiality" has existed since the first human met the first beast : can I fuck it???? It is legal in Spain, France, Italy, Holland, Brazil, and in most states of the US , including California. Again, if it is done by consenting adults and with no cruelty to the animal, let it be. PS: I do not force you to do it...

" Spanking " ??? anybody here serious about that?? So we will also ban dressing up as a teacher and pupil ... No more " Max Hardcore" ponytail cheerleaders....

I am way older than all of you. and if you have a business today, it is because guys like me fought for freedoms yesterday. I went twice to Supreme court on obscenity charges, and the rulings ( in my favor) made that today you can see a dick go from an ass to a mouth ( no kidding, 2 days in court looking at Ron Jeremy's dick...).

So before you start to let go what we won with a lot of effort, start asking you the question:

- Do I really mind if consenting adults performs certain acts in the privaxy of their home or similar place withourt harming anyone??? If you answer yes, you should change business...

:2 cents:

I did not expect anything else ... Only intelligent people can reconsider their position and admit that they may be wrong... You obviously are not part of those people... I really hope your type of site get's banned... by Visa.

Good for you, fighting for free speech. Canadian courts or American courts?

See the irony in that post?

Canadian courts. Vids had even played in the carceral facilities runned by the Federal Government, had been cleared by Customs, approved by local provincial board...

This is where the younger ones should take care... If you let a company start banning things that are legal , where do you stop,

It cost me about $ 75,000.00 in 1985 to win the appeal ( including shrinks, psy, teachers, doctors as expert witnesses )... and 6 years of constant haressment from the cops: arrested every other month, finger printed every time, mugshots, handcuffs to the court house, nights in cells....

I would like Truth Hurts to go thru this...

Similar to Acacia: till it is debated in court, we will be harrassed even if you have no vides...

:2 cents:

QUI MANGE D'LA MARDE !!!!!

LET THEM EAT SHIT !!!


Ooooopppppppssssssss:2 cents:

LOL....

Irony?

Like the kind of irony that comes with being a right leaning conservative attempting to make a career in pornography? Your own party loathes you.

Idiots never cease to amaze me.

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Rui, in philosophy, my statment is called " perspective from the absurd"... In other words, once you start banning " legal" things for moral point of viue, well you have lost the perspective....

The point is you don't start banning "legal" things - you start banning "illegal" things.

role playing can be fun ... you can't ban fake rape ... I agree ... not my coffee either ... the more realistic the better the "documentation". That's fair.


Yes - but we have evolved since then to realize the transfer of any biological material presents a risk for disease transmission. And they think AIDS came from Monkeys? Certain things are just a biological stupidity - and that's one. An activitity which has a potential to affect everyone on the planet.

No aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name. Max Hardcore is not a major influence on society. Have a proper entry - relevent to the domain - and reasonable use of a child.


I am in business today - because of me - not you.



YES - and perhaps I may even appreciate your battles (unsure) - but that physical act you just describe is biological stupidity as your anus contains ecoli bacteria which makes you sick.


Nope - and keep "big brother" out of what the hell I am watching too.

You may have assisted - in the cause - but there are global issues we must solve now.

You must make certain that the patron understands - it is just fantasy - and not representative of real sex.

People actually think vaginal orgasm exists - when in fact it does not. Where the vast majority of people believe that penis only insertion stimulation will result in female orgasm - but for the vast majority this does not occur - it is a lie.


Yep - I agree.

Who are you?
If you are as influencial as you say you are.
Help me with SexEducation.com.
We don't have to agree to agree.
We just have to discuss it. :)
That's what you say you won.



Dad@

Since I can't distinguish one party from another any more, and you've lumped me into one, once again i shall follow your own logic.... If I'm right leaning, does that mean a left leaning supports rape, beast, and everything else I've opposed in this thread?

why the f*$k are you posting this shit in this thread? again ATTENTION WHORE! this shit has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand so keep your shit in your own thread.

normal, intelligent, respectable people are speaking here and you arent one of them.

god i wish this "guy" would slip on his porch or something. :mad:

Yeah you ignorant bitch, thats what it is about. Its about supporting rape, beast, and scat.

Gee, I coulda swore it was about attempting to legislate "fantasy".

I replied because I believe his post.

the word "fantasy" appears NOWHERE in the thread that started this topic.

Someone from the left brought it in, to try and change the actual topic, as they usually do to try and justify their opinion.

you fuckers can NEVER argue ON TOPIC so you have to bring in EVERYTHING and turn it all into one big overgeneralization.