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Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

and as I recall you posted that you were 250 lbs . . . . and you think I am fat?

Closer to 260lbs. I do something you don't fatboy (you not your bike), work out. Because your memory is fading, I'll refresh it for you, I just came from working out when I first met your sorry short round fat ass.

Now, what are you again? 5 foot 5 or is it 5 and a half? HAHAHA

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

No old man, your words exactly were, "Without my glasses, Anthony looks like one big brown thing in front of me."

Little boy, grow up, and why do you feel the need to start lying too? Last I heard you were upset because I did not pay enough attention to you at that dinner.

My exact words? I never talked about you, and very little to you and that hurt your feelings.

You really are a pussy. Oh, you can easily find out where I live if you feel the need to take it to the next level. Your boss sent me enough checks, so I know he has my address.

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

Little boy, grow up, and why do you feel the need to start lying too? Last I heard you were upset because I did not pay enough attention to you at that dinner.

My exact words? I never talked about you, and very little to you and that hurt your feelings.

You really are a pussy. Oh, you can easily find out where I live if you feel the need to take it to the next level. Your boss sent me enough checks, so I know he has my address.

Fuckboy,

Why would you think anything you could possibly do bother me? I've played you like a fiddle this whole thread. You jump when I tell you to jump.

Hurt my feelings by not talking to me? Do you really believe you are that special?

We had a talk about taking it to the next level fucktard. It's a lose/lose situation for me. I look bad for beating you in your walker, and god only knows that I would look bad if I tripped on your colostomy bag and knock myself out.

Baddog, Internet Tough Guy. Can kick anyone's ass, as long as he has his glasses on.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Closer to 260lbs. I do something you don't fatboy (you not your bike), work out.

great, in a month and a half you have gained 10 lbs. Are you in training to be a suma wrestler or something

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

great, in a month and a half you have gained 10 lbs. Are you in training to be a suma wrestler or something

You sad, sad, sad, little man.

Is that the best you can do?

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Why would you think anything you could possibly do bother me?

hmmm, let's see

Taken from the setgo board:

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Originally Posted by Anthony

It's okay for studhorse one foot on the grave baddog to complain about anything, but it's not okay for anthony. Why is that, maybe cause he's a CHINK who you blew off at dinner?

Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt, pussy.

Oh, and for the record to anyone reading this crap, Anthony is the only one that has used the word chink, which I feel shows that he has some resentment and feels the world is against him because of his ethnicity. So please be nice to him, he has had a tough childhood.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

You sad, sad, sad, little man.

Is that the best you can do?

well, I could mention that you give lousy head, but did not really feel it was relevant to the discussion

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt, pussy.

Oh, and for the record to anyone reading this crap, Anthony is the only one that has used the word chink, which I feel shows that he has some resentment and feels the world is against him because of his ethnicity. So please be nice to him, he has had a tough childhood.

You really are sad. I feel like I'm beating on a 4 year old here.

How long have you harbored feelings of being inadequate towards other males? These feelings, possibly might be the reason for your hatred towards women, and your repeated attempts at being a board romeo, while secretly being a miysognistic fuck who likes to tell Rape jokes?

Come clean baddump. You havent answered the real questions yet. I've been asking..

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:51 PM

Anthony_A
A man trapped in a woman's body

I wonder if that isn't backwards in your case.

cherrylula · 06-16-2003, 01:54 PM

Motor Vehicle Crash Fatalities by State (format: State, 1999, 2000, % Change)

http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/s..._by_state.html

Texas 3,522 3,769 +7.0%

California 3,559 3,753 +5.5%

Florida 2,920 2,999 +2.7%

New York 1,599 1,458 -8.8%

Consider Cali is smaller than Texas.... looks like we win this one hahaha

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 01:58 PM

You would want that wouldn't you Baddog. Have you always been a punkbitch? What makes you feel inadequate towards other men that you have to attack them baddog?

Thank God I'm not a woman, or I'd have your aging ass trying to hit me up. When I hear the term of Internet Stalker, you come to mind. Why is that?

Remember what I said when I was at Kayla's before her show old man? That's you to a tee... Dirty Old Man with a chip on his shoulder cause he can't get none.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
Motor Vehicle Crash Fatalities by State (format: State, 1999, 2000, % Change)

http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/s..._by_state.html

Texas 3,522 3,769 +7.0%

California 3,559 3,753 +5.5%

Florida 2,920 2,999 +2.7%

New York 1,599 1,458 -8.8%

Consider Cali is smaller than Texas.... looks like we win this one hahaha

smaller in size, not population . . . . .unless I missed your point

baddog · 06-16-2003, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A
You would want that wouldn't you Baddog. Have you always been a punkbitch? What makes you feel inadequate towards other men that you have to attack them baddog?

okay chump, who have I attacked?

cherrylula · 06-16-2003, 02:00 PM

as in more condensed.

ya know, more assholes per square foot.

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

okay chump, who have I attacked?

Dude, your memory really needs help. You started in on someone in this thread. Same way you did with me eon's back. Difference is, you are outgunned and outclassed here baddookie.

I have tons of time on my hand to make sure people see you for what you are. Fucktard.

Keep posting, it amuses me.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
as in more condensed.

ya know, more assholes per square foot.

more people, more cars, less acreage, and fewer fatalities than TX.

looks like CA beats then hands down, the true stat to check though would be fatalities per 100k miles driven

I think NY is significantly lower since (at least in the movies) their traffic jams are worse than ours, and it seems like more people use taxis, bus, and subway than we do

baddog · 06-16-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Dude, your memory really needs help. You started in on someone in this thread. Same way you did with me eon's back. Difference is, you are outgunned and outclassed here baddookie.

Love it or leave it is an attack? I did not see anyone else crying besides you little boy. Since you have so much time on your hands, and I have a client waiting on me, it should give you plenty of time to make up a list of men I have attacked and women I have stalked.

As far as outgunned and outclassed, when you are able to do that I will resign from the biz. I will admit, you definitely outweigh me, but that is about where it ends.

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

Love it or leave it is an attack? I did not see anyone else crying besides you little boy. Since you have so much time on your hands, and I have a client waiting on me, it should give you plenty of time to make up a list of men I have attacked and women I have stalked.

As far as outgunned and outclassed, when you are able to do that I will resign from the biz. I will admit, you definitely outweigh me, but that is about where it ends.

Wow, Baddog, really? See ya later dude. I like the client excuse to get out of a beating on the boards, seen it alot over the years.

Tell me Baddog, when did you start hating women?

baddog · 06-16-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Wow, Baddog, really? See ya later dude. I like the client excuse to get out of a beating on the boards, seen it alot over the years.

Tell me Baddog, when did you start hating women?

it is no secret that I own a mainstream business, ask your boss, he has paid me a few hundred dollars as one of my clients.

As far as hating women, just because I rejected you, and told you that you were not my type does not mean I hate all women.

Shed about 130 pounds and I might give you another chance, as long as you promise to keep your fucking mouth shut, because I really don't think I could handle listening to you whine any more.

goodgirl · 06-16-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Wow, Baddog, really? See ya later dude. I like the client excuse to get out of a beating on the boards, seen it alot over the years.

Tell me Baddog, when did you start hating women?

baddog hates woman? That is just too funny.

Some how I doubt that very much.

Raven · 06-16-2003, 03:39 PM

Baddog hates women?

Ascerbic toward stupidity, yeah....politically outspoken, for sure...but a woman hater? I don't remember seeing that....

He's always been a gentleman to me....even offered to give me the sunny side of the park bench in Phoenix.

dchottie · 06-16-2003, 03:42 PM

I still dont see where baddog hates women. Guess I can't read between the lines that well. Well, he's always treated me very very well.

Raven · 06-16-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Caroline
you cant beat Detroit drivers.

just come on over, and i'll give you a tour.

if youre not driving 85 in the 55 zone, then you will be run over.

Come to Seattle...they drive 35 in a 60 mph ....and, if that doesn't piss you off....they're usually in the left lane.

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

it is no secret that I own a mainstream business, ask your boss, he has paid me a few hundred dollars as one of my clients.

As far as hating women, just because I rejected you, and told you that you were not my type does not mean I hate all women.

Shed about 130 pounds and I might give you another chance, as long as you promise to keep your fucking mouth shut, because I really don't think I could handle listening to you whine any more.

I thought your were gone dude, i went and took a baddog, flushed that massive badddog.

I just enjoy getting on your nerves old man. Me and Voodooman had a bet, to see how far I could get you to crack. He owes me a quarter now!

Too funny, all you can crack on is my weight, which is your biggest insecurity. Well, next to being an old fat fuck.

Nice. hahaha.

goodgirl · 06-16-2003, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Raven

Come to Seattle...they drive 35 in a 60 mph ....and, if that doesn't piss you off....they're usually in the left lane.

LOL

Sorry. Slow would be irritating for sure.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

I thought your were gone dude

one of the reasons I have a high level of referral business is because I am fast and efficient.

Things that you would never figure out I can do in a matter of seconds.

and I cracked? whatever makes you feel better. You should have bet enough to get yourself a Slurpee

baddog · 06-16-2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Raven

Come to Seattle...they drive 35 in a 60 mph ....and, if that doesn't piss you off....they're usually in the left lane.

leave it to you to get back on topic

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

one of the reasons I have a high level of referral business is because I am fast and efficient.

Things that you would never figure out I can do in a matter of seconds.

and I cracked? whatever makes you feel better. You should have bet enough to get yourself a Slurpee

Sure baddoggie. you have been PWNED. Happens to you quite a bit.

No, I bet enough, a quarter is pretty much of what I think of you.

goodgirl · 06-16-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

leave it to you to get back on topic

*koff* Raven started it.

voodooman · 06-16-2003, 04:16 PM

I dont know bout anyone else, but one of the things that takes me the longest, is getting that damn bra off a woman. No matter how much experience with removing one from a woman, she usually falls asleep or gets mad and does it herself.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Too funny, all you can crack on is my weight, which is your biggest insecurity.

I am insecure about my weight? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

As far as things to crack on you about, I did mention that you give lousy head, you are bald, you are a liar, you are a whiney little boy, you are insecure about your ethnicity, and you felt blown off at dinner.

I really don't know you well enough to mention anything else about you.

Anthony_A · 06-16-2003, 04:23 PM

Is that really the best you can do?

All these women came out to support you Baddog. That's great.

3 of them.

How do they feel about rape? Do any of them think it's a funny matter?

baddog · 06-16-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by voodooman
I dont know bout anyone else, but one of the things that takes me the longest, is getting that damn bra off a woman. No matter how much experience with removing one from a woman, she usually falls asleep or gets mad and does it herself.

hey, you think you have it tough, back when I was a kid and first started trying to take bras off women, they all had these 3 little wire clips in the back.

I remember the first time I ran across one that had a clasp in the front, after letting me fumble around for 10 minutes she showed me the clasp in the front. . . . I thought I had died and gone to heaven

Gabriel · 06-16-2003, 04:35 PM

Anthony_A and Baddog? Candidates for the next 2Fast 2Furious II...

baddog · 06-16-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Gabriel
Anthony_A and Baddog? Candidates for the next 2Fast 2Furious II...

well, the only indication I have ever had that Anthony does anything fast and furious was this thread he started at setgo entitled "If you can score higher than 150, I would like to talk to yo"(sp) with a link to this

draw your own conclusions

baddog · 06-16-2003, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A

Sure baddoggie. you have been PWNED.

okay, it is no secret that I am old enough to be the father to most of you, but I do try to stay hip with the slang that you youngsters come up with. I have now been asked by two young lovelies what the meaning of PWNED is.

I honestly don't know. I iniitially thought it was a typo, but since Anthony went back and edited that post, I am wondering if I am missing something here. I asked my 19 yr old son, and he had no idea, so how about enlightening this old codger.

The Alibi · 06-16-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

I think NY is significantly lower since (at least in the movies) their traffic jams are worse than ours, and it seems like more people use taxis, bus, and subway than we do

Because unlike most things in LA, NYC has infrastructure that works, even as decrepit as the NYC subway system may seem.

Traffic in and out of NYC at rush hour is nothing compared to the random ridiculous traffic jams all day in LA.

Also, let's not forget, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, the LA primadonnas are busy on their cell phone, doing their makeup, memorizing their lines, etc. while driving. NYC drivers are cunning and focused, they get shit done. It's also illegal to talk on your cell phone without a hands free device while driving in NYC.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by The Alibi

Because unlike most things in LA, NYC has infrastructure that works, even as decrepit as the NYC subway system may seem.

Traffic in and out of NYC at rush hour is nothing compared to the random ridiculous traffic jams all day in LA.

Also, let's not forget, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, the LA primadonnas are busy on their cell phone, doing their makeup, memorizing their lines, etc. while driving. NYC drivers are cunning and focused, they get shit done. It's also illegal to talk on your cell phone without a hands free device while driving in NYC.

first off, I will never argue that the transit system in LA sucks, San Francisco's rocks. They are trying here, but as the song says, "nobody walks in LA." We have been spoiled with an elaborate freeway system, and LA is pretty damn big, area wise.

Re: driving with cell phones . . . . I believe that there are some cities around here that have outlawed that practice, and fully expect a statewide law against it, if I have to start it myself.

Every close call I have had in the past 4 years has had a cell phone being used by the other guy. I really like it when they hold up the phone to show me, as if this is some kind of legit excuse.

Of course, it is possible that they are just giving me something to aim at instead of blowing their brains out

voodooman · 06-16-2003, 06:05 PM

I talk on my cell while riding my motorcycle.

Just run the ear piece into the helmet, put the
phone in my tank bag, and talk away.

:-)

Cops would never suspect I was on the phone.

baddog · 06-16-2003, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by voodooman
I talk on my cell while riding my motorcycle.

I think that would qualify as a hands free device. . . . I think those are okay, or at least better than trying to balance a cell phone while eating a Big Mac and driving

The Alibi · 06-16-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by baddog

Every close call I have had in the past 4 years has had a cell phone being used by the other guy. I really like it when they hold up the phone to show me, as if this is some kind of legit excuse.

Only in LA!

Tam · 06-16-2003, 08:32 PM

baddog hates women? Now THAT is hilarious..... rotfl

And THAT is all I have to say about that.

Mishi · 06-17-2003, 02:54 AM

True story: About 1992 I started suffering panic attacks that kept me off the freeways. I could only do freeway driving if I was fairly certain nobody else would be on the road - like, Sunday, early A.M. (this was in Tulsa).

In 2000 my partner had to go to a business thingy in LA. I had lived there, in 1987. He had been there once, and did NOT want to drive there. I was like, no problem. Been there, done that, blah, blah, blah. After more than 8 years of completely avoiding freeways, I soared through LA like there was no tomorrow. It all but cured me of my phobia.

People in LA KNOW how to drive. They may seem crazy, but they're not. They know what they're doing. I would drive in LA any day over any midwestern or southern city.

And on that note, the idea that Baddog hates women...sorry, I'm laughing too hard.

cheeky · 06-17-2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by dchottie
I still dont see where baddog hates women. Guess I can't read between the lines that well. Well, he's always treated me very very well.

Same here, baddog has always been good to me and whenever I need anything or advice he's always there to lend a helping hand.

Thanks baddog

Midnyte · 06-17-2003, 10:05 AM

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Same here, baddog has always been good to me and whenever I need anything or advice he's always there to lend a helping hand.

I agree. I've never had a problem with Baddog at all ever - quite the contrary, he's been a great source of advice, support, and information.

Laurel · 06-17-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Midnyte

I agree. I've never had a problem with Baddog at all ever - quite the contrary, he's been a great source of advice, support, and information.

Don't forget, he's a complete gentleman, too.

Ambergirl · 06-17-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
Really you haven't seen shit until you've driven in NYC/Brooklyn... there is no regard for anything resembling the traditional rules of driving... It's every man for himself, get to your destination BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE -- and the cops fucking know it -- biz as usual... Drive on the wrong side of the road, run a red light, run over pedestrians -- the cops are like WHATEVER.

In LA, the cops are outnumbered -- I never saw anyone pulled over for speeding, because LA = Gridlock...

LOL TheFLY...that's exactly how it is in Washington, DC too, "every man for himself, get to your destination BY ANY MEANS"!

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Originally posted by cherrylula
Motor Vehicle Crash Fatalities by State (format: State, 1999, 2000, % Change)

http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/s..._by_state.html

Texas 3,522 3,769 +7.0%

California 3,559 3,753 +5.5%

Florida 2,920 2,999 +2.7%

New York 1,599 1,458 -8.8%

Consider Cali is smaller than Texas.... looks like we win this one hahaha

Northern VA, right outside of Washington DC, is a mad house of drivers too:

Virginia 878 930 +5.9%

I have yet to meet one person that didn't think they were a great driver...makes ya wonder.

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Originally posted by dchottie
I still dont see where baddog hates women. Guess I can't read between the lines that well. Well, he's always treated me very very well.

Ditto here too...baddog's always been cool with me.

goodgirl · 06-17-2003, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Laurel

Don't forget a complete gentleman, too.

Very true

Raven · 06-17-2003, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by goodgirl

*koff* Raven started it.

Hmm...goodgirl.....I'll have to remember this when I meet you in Miami....tattletale!

You ARE going to Miami, aren't you?

The worst drivers are located in Ohio. End of story.

Baddog doesn't hate women.

I don't think Baddog actually hates anything....his emotions seem to run more toward intolerance and disdain toward stupidity.

Raven · 06-17-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by The Alibi

Because unlike most things in LA, NYC has infrastructure that works, even as decrepit as the NYC subway system may seem.

Traffic in and out of NYC at rush hour is nothing compared to the random ridiculous traffic jams all day in LA.

Also, let's not forget, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, the LA primadonnas are busy on their cell phone, doing their makeup, memorizing their lines, etc. while driving. NYC drivers are cunning and focused, they get shit done. It's also illegal to talk on your cell phone without a hands free device while driving in NYC.

Years of traffic jams and fender benders in NYC have taught most of us to leave our cars at the train station and take our chances with cabs.

06-16-2003, 01:58 PM	#61
Anthony_A Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,219	You would want that wouldn't you Baddog. Have you always been a punkbitch? What makes you feel inadequate towards other men that you have to attack them baddog? Thank God I'm not a woman, or I'd have your aging ass trying to hit me up. When I hear the term of Internet Stalker, you come to mind. Why is that? Remember what I said when I was at Kayla's before her show old man? That's you to a tee... Dirty Old Man with a chip on his shoulder cause he can't get none. __________________ PAYBUYNET.COM Need Processing? Email me tony at paybuynet dot com ICQ 21239908

06-16-2003, 03:39 PM	#71
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	Baddog hates women? Ascerbic toward stupidity, yeah....politically outspoken, for sure...but a woman hater? I don't remember seeing that.... He's always been a gentleman to me....even offered to give me the sunny side of the park bench in Phoenix. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

06-16-2003, 03:42 PM	#72
dchottie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 894	I still dont see where baddog hates women. Guess I can't read between the lines that well. Well, he's always treated me very very well. __________________

06-16-2003, 04:23 PM	#82
Anthony_A Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,219	Is that really the best you can do? All these women came out to support you Baddog. That's great. 3 of them. How do they feel about rape? Do any of them think it's a funny matter? __________________ PAYBUYNET.COM Need Processing? Email me tony at paybuynet dot com ICQ 21239908

06-16-2003, 04:35 PM	#84
Gabriel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: So*Cal Posts: 4,789	Anthony_A and Baddog? Candidates for the next 2Fast 2Furious II... __________________ ICQ#: 142295729

06-16-2003, 01:51 PM	#59
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Anthony_A A man trapped in a woman's body I wonder if that isn't backwards in your case.

06-16-2003, 01:54 PM	#60
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Motor Vehicle Crash Fatalities by State (format: State, 1999, 2000, % Change) http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/s..._by_state.html Texas 3,522 3,769 +7.0% California 3,559 3,753 +5.5% Florida 2,920 2,999 +2.7% New York 1,599 1,458 -8.8% Consider Cali is smaller than Texas.... looks like we win this one hahaha

06-16-2003, 02:00 PM	#64
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	as in more condensed. ya know, more assholes per square foot.

06-16-2003, 04:16 PM	#80
voodooman Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 801	I dont know bout anyone else, but one of the things that takes me the longest, is getting that damn bra off a woman. No matter how much experience with removing one from a woman, she usually falls asleep or gets mad and does it herself.

06-16-2003, 06:05 PM	#89
voodooman Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 801	I talk on my cell while riding my motorcycle. Just run the ear piece into the helmet, put the phone in my tank bag, and talk away. :-) Cops would never suspect I was on the phone.

06-16-2003, 08:32 PM	#92
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,508	baddog hates women? Now THAT is hilarious..... rotfl And THAT is all I have to say about that. __________________ Get in Touch on Telegram if you need a hardworker - (since 1999) - All About Me!

06-17-2003, 02:54 AM	#93
Mishi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,054	True story: About 1992 I started suffering panic attacks that kept me off the freeways. I could only do freeway driving if I was fairly certain nobody else would be on the road - like, Sunday, early A.M. (this was in Tulsa). In 2000 my partner had to go to a business thingy in LA. I had lived there, in 1987. He had been there once, and did NOT want to drive there. I was like, no problem. Been there, done that, blah, blah, blah. After more than 8 years of completely avoiding freeways, I soared through LA like there was no tomorrow. It all but cured me of my phobia. People in LA KNOW how to drive. They may seem crazy, but they're not. They know what they're doing. I would drive in LA any day over any midwestern or southern city. And on that note, the idea that Baddog hates women...sorry, I'm laughing too hard. __________________ Looking for PHP/MySQL solutions? Check out Cyboriginal - custom scripts, installation services and more.