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NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 03:23 PM

Ok, just watched a special on HBO about satanists. The FBI has a task force to track down and procecute all satanist groups. Where is their religious freedom?

Not saying I believe all that shit... but shouldn't they have the same religious freedom as the Christians, Mormans, Jews, Catholics...etc?

Probono · 05-29-2003, 03:25 PM

Unless they do human sacrifice they should be ok, but this is One Nation Under God not Satan! LOL

Just look at the bible banger in the While House and imagine him saying Satanists have a right to worship as the please.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Probono
Unless they do human sacrifice they should be ok, but this is One Nation Under God not Satan! LOL

Just look at the bible banger in the While House and imagine him saying Satanists have a right to worship as the please.

Ever see the Omen? Doesn't Bush remind you of Damian Thorn?

GrimShawn · 05-29-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Ever see the Omen? Doesn't Bush remind you of Damian Thorn?

LOL LOL

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 03:28 PM

You mean one nation under a myth....

No wonder we are all so fucked up.

kelly · 05-29-2003, 03:39 PM

How very wrong and very fucked

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by kelly
How very wrong and very fucked

What is very wrong? What is very Fucked?

Be specific when you make your comments... otherwise, you make no sense...

What , you a bush fan? or are you one of the wholy rollers who think there is really a god?

SpaceAce · 05-29-2003, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

What , you a bush fan? or are you one of the wholy rollers who think there is really a god?

How are those three things related? Some of us can believe in God, not hound other people with our beliefs <B>and</B> dislike Bush. In fact, most people who believe in a God or a Creator or some form of supreme being are happy to go about their business unconcerned with what others think.

As for "prosecuting" Satanists, post more information next time. If they are breaking the law or endangering unwiling individuals, they deserve to be punished. I've never heard of some random dude being busted down on the streets and locked up for being a Satanist.

SpaceAce

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

How are those three things related? Some of us can believe in God, not hound other people with our beliefs <B>and</B> dislike Bush. In fact, most people who believe in a God or a Creator or some form of supreme being are happy to go about their business unconcerned with what others think.

As for "prosecuting" Satanists, post more information next time. If they are breaking the law or endangering unwiling individuals, they deserve to be punished. I've never heard of some random dude being busted down on the streets and locked up for being a Satanist.

SpaceAce

There was a bush comment... that is how they relate... read the entire thread.

As for more information... not much more than that was mentioned on the HBO special.... Write to HBO and ask them for more details.

Hmmmm... didn't the christians nail people to crosses? Yet.. christiananity is well accepted.

Hey, I think it is all good reading, but as for it being factual... well, as I said... it makes for a good story nothing more.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.... everyone! no matter how fucked up they are.

BRISK · 05-29-2003, 04:01 PM

Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Thrawn$ · 05-29-2003, 04:08 PM

The bush familly are Satanist, they do human virgin sacrifice and drink the blood...

kelly · 05-29-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

What is very wrong? What is very Fucked?

Be specific when you make your comments... otherwise, you make no sense...

What , you a bush fan? or are you one of the wholy rollers who think there is really a god?

My remark was in response to your intial post, I think it is wrong and fucked to screw with someone by religion, as a pagan I hate to see this, for anyone looking for insight into the religion http://www.satanism101.com is a basics site.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by kelly

My remark was in response to your intial post, I think it is wrong and fucked to screw with someone by religion, as a pagan I hate to see this, for anyone looking for insight into the religion http://www.satanism101.com is a basics site.

Thanks for clearing that up... thought you were being rude

My Bad! Sorry for being an ass.... please forgive me

gothweb · 05-29-2003, 04:14 PM

When the US was founded, the only religious options people really thought about were different Xian denominations. The Quakers were cool, the Lutherans were cool, the Catholics were cool. All side by side.

The amazing thing is that many people haven't progressed much past that point. People think it's okay to be any kind of Christian, or even Jewish, Muslim, or maybe Hindu or Buddhist... but if it falls into the "Other" category on the questionnaire, nobody gives a fuck about your religious freedoms.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 04:16 PM

I would like to see a building with a penticle for a change instead of all these churches with crosses. Common, Wicca is a religion and has nothing to do with satan yet still not accepted because of the mainstream religious leaders misconception of the belief.

Right or wrong... I would love to see it happen. I would be willing to be the first... anyone want to donaet to the cause?

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Thrawn$
The bush familly are Satanist, they do human virgin sacrifice and drink the blood...

That's daddy bush in the background... pulling jr.'s strings

kelly · 05-29-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Thanks for clearing that up... thought you were being rude My Bad! Sorry for being an ass.... please forgive me

No problem, I don't take offense easily

followers of different Pagan Paths should shout out more and bring it into more mainstrem sites, just to say "we're here' and living it and loving it

loverboy · 05-29-2003, 04:26 PM

i still have my faith

SpaceAce · 05-29-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

There was a bush comment... that is how they relate... read the entire thread.

As for more information... not much more than that was mentioned on the HBO special.... Write to HBO and ask them for more details.

Hmmmm... didn't the christians nail people to crosses? Yet.. christiananity is well accepted.

Hey, I think it is all good reading, but as for it being factual... well, as I said... it makes for a good story nothing more.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.... everyone! no matter how fucked up they are.

I did read the thread. All seven posts of it up until where I replied. There is still no relation between Holy Rollers, fans of Bush and people who believe in God. They are three seperate things. Just because some fans of Bush are holy rollers doesn't make them one thing. Did you ever take an IQ test? "If some Zargs are Grumps and all Grumps are Barlins, then all Zargs are Barlins; true or false?"

What does people getting nailed to the cross have to do with anything? Are you saying that if a Crhistian in America nailed someone to a cross, they would get away with it while a Satanist will go to jail merely for breathing? Get real. Incidentally, the cross was in common use LONG before the Christians came on the scene.

You're right: everyone is entitled to their beliefs. No matter how fucked up they are.

SpaceAce

gothweb · 05-29-2003, 04:29 PM

Fucking Barlins.

Wizzo · 05-29-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

I did read the thread. All seven posts of it up until where I replied. There is still no relation between Holy Rollers, fans of Bush and people who believe in God. They are three seperate things. Just because some fans of Bush are holy rollers doesn't make them one thing. Did you ever take an IQ test? "If some Zargs are Grumps and all Grumps are Barlins, then all Zargs are Barlins; true or false?"

What does people getting nailed to the cross have to do with anything? Are you saying that if a Crhistian in America nailed someone to a cross, they would get away with it while a Satanist will go to jail merely for breathing? Get real. Incidentally, the cross was in common use LONG before the Christians came on the scene.

You're right: everyone is entitled to their beliefs. No matter how fucked up they are.

SpaceAce

Well said

BRISK · 05-29-2003, 04:37 PM

At some point in history, all the currently established religions started with a very small group of followers. Once they gained enough followers, they became established and accepted as a religion.

Christianity didn't always have 1 billion followers, there was a time when it was just a bunch of dudes fucking around in the desert. At the time, I'm sure there was plenty of people that thought that Christianity was a pretty crazy idea, especially the Romans, but over time Christians were able to brainwash enough people to gain followers and the numbers grew and grew. Eventually a following gains that critical mass of believers and it becomes accepted in society as a legitimate religion.

So anyways, my point is that I look at religions like christianity or islam as just a socially acceptable cult. They began as a cult, and they're still a cult today, but they're accepted because there are enough people that are believers, and of course 1 billion sheeple can't be wrong.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

I did read the thread. All seven posts of it up until where I replied. There is still no relation between Holy Rollers, fans of Bush and people who believe in God. They are three seperate things. Just because some fans of Bush are holy rollers doesn't make them one thing. Did you ever take an IQ test? "If some Zargs are Grumps and all Grumps are Barlins, then all Zargs are Barlins; true or false?"

What does people getting nailed to the cross have to do with anything? Are you saying that if a Crhistian in America nailed someone to a cross, they would get away with it while a Satanist will go to jail merely for breathing? Get real. Incidentally, the cross was in common use LONG before the Christians came on the scene.

You're right: everyone is entitled to their beliefs. No matter how fucked up they are.

SpaceAce

Ok, since you read all the posts... then you will see where I made the comment that bush looks like Damian Thorn... that is where bush fits into this.

I did not know what that person was talking about and I was trying to clear things up....

eroswebmaster · 05-29-2003, 04:57 PM

I doubt very seriously that the FBI has a task force to track down law abiding satanists.

If so that is a violation of their civil rights.

You post utter nonsense on the board like this without proof and you're going to take the heat, and no I'm not going to write to HBO to find out more information because quite honestly I just don't think you understood the program.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I doubt very seriously that the FBI has a task force to track down law abiding satanists.

If so that is a violation of their civil rights.

You post utter nonsense on the board like this without proof and you're going to take the heat, and no I'm not going to write to HBO to find out more information because quite honestly I just don't think you understood the program.

Hmmm, according to the special/documentry.. satanists perform human sacrifice, therefore, they have the task force.

A family in San Diego had their childern taken from them after a sister told her therapist that her brother/sister was going to kill thier son on or before his birthday. Without research, the cops took the children from them at 2 am on a sunday morning.

aftrer 16 weeks or so, charges were dropped and this family was stuch paying for Foster care, medical treatment and something else... cannot remember now... How fair is that?

People are stupid when it comes to matters that they do not understand, and instead of learning what something is all about, they try to destroy it.

Hey, I don't believe in God, the Devil or any of that horseshit, I just think that it was funny that the FBI has a fucking task force for satan worshipers.

anyway.. nuff said Thanks for you input.

JDog · 05-29-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Probono
Unless they do human sacrifice they should be ok, but this is One Nation Under God not Satan! LOL

Just look at the bible banger in the While House and imagine him saying Satanists have a right to worship as the please.

Yea, and I hate that ONE NATION UNDER GOD bullshit. what ever happened to seperation of church and state, isn't that why we settled and created america? so that we don't have all this religious bullshit if we don't want it? but i have to walk down huntington beach peir and get some guy preaching to me... I would rather follow satan, wait i'm in porn, all the religious people believe that ne way....

jDoG

eroswebmaster · 05-29-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Hmmm, according to the special/documentry.. satanists perform human sacrifice, therefore, they have the task force.

A family in San Diego had their childern taken from them after a sister told her therapist that her brother/sister was going to kill thier son on or before his birthday. Without research, the cops took the children from them at 2 am on a sunday morning.

aftrer 16 weeks or so, charges were dropped and this family was stuch paying for Foster care, medical treatment and something else... cannot remember now... How fair is that?

People are stupid when it comes to matters that they do not understand, and instead of learning what something is all about, they try to destroy it.

Hey, I don't believe in God, the Devil or any of that horseshit, I just think that it was funny that the FBI has a fucking task force for satan worshipers.

anyway.. nuff said Thanks for you input.

You stated:

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The FBI has a task force to track down and procecute all satanist groups

Not some, but "ALL."

#1 an aunt making a complaint to the local police and/or child protective services does not validate your FBI task force and prosecuting all satanist groups statement.

Also if you think that this kind of shit only happens to satanists during family custody battles think again.

All kinds of accusations get thrown around when people have an agenda. One favorite is the mother accusing the father of molestation.

My own father who is Christian had his religious beliefs held against him when my mother went after custody of my younger brother.

My dad had to go to court ordered psychiatric counseling because he was a Christian.

Things got real cooky. My brother being only 12 and a goofball as well as a big fan of the DaDa movement invented a language for him and his friends to communicate.

I've heard the phone conversations my mother taped (brother secretly stole them) where she told the court appointed psychiatrist "my son scares me, I think he's speaking in tongues or something."

My mother won custody in the beginning when it went in front of the masters (stupid court system in Texas) but when it got into the real judges chambers my brother was returned to my father that very night.

But the whole thing took well over a year before it was all settled.

Anyway to get back to your post, you cannot be prosecuted for simply being a satanist. However if you're a satanist who intends upon committing or has committed crimes then that's another story.

Investigating satanists is another thing. Nothing stops the government from investigating anyone, some white supremacist groups or militias are religious in nature (according to them) and get investigated all the time.

I suggest you read this:
http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/cnss.FBI.auth.html

Elli · 05-29-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
You mean one nation under a myth....

No wonder we are all so fucked up.

I just thought I would add this to the pot:

"He whom they call the Redeemer has cast them into bondage -- Into the bondage of false values and false scriptures. Ah, that someone would redeem them from their Redeemer! ....

They called God that which contradicted and harmed them: and truly, there was much that was heroic in their worship!
And they knew no other way of loving their God than by nailing men to the Cross!"

-Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Friedrich Nietzsche

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I suggest you read this:
http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/cnss.FBI.auth.html

What does terrism have to do with satanists?

BRISK · 05-29-2003, 06:37 PM

Seperation of church and state? hmmmm....

"One nation under God"

"In God we trust"

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...-we-trust.html

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Seperation of church and state? hmmmm....

"One nation under God"

"In God we trust"

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...-we-trust.html

Sucks doesn't it? Guess it would not be so bad if there was an actual "GOD", but to put your trust in a myth well, no wonder this counrty is going to shit.

BRISK · 05-29-2003, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Sucks doesn't it? Guess it would not be so bad if there was an actual "GOD", but to put your trust in a myth well, no wonder this counrty is going to shit.

"One nation under God" and "In God we trust" leaves very little room for Americans who are Atheists or Agnostic. It seems thats it's OK to bend the constitution as long you are the Christian majority.

Gutterboy · 05-29-2003, 06:49 PM

Freedom of Religion in the US means you have the freedom to believe in whatever form of fundamentalist christianity you choose.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy
Freedom of Religion in the US means you have the freedom to believe in whatever form of fundamentalist christianity you choose.

Very true.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK

"One nation under God" and "In God we trust" leaves very little room for Americans who are Atheists or Agnostic. It seems thats it's OK to bend the constitution as long you are the Christian majority.

or have a ton of $$$$$$

Webby · 05-29-2003, 07:32 PM

Add to that a load of "Christians" on a campaign to convert Muslims to the way of "US Christianity"... Sheesh!

eroswebmaster · 05-29-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

What does terrism have to do with satanists?

Okay so it is your lack of comprehension that brings us to this thread today...thank you.

NBDesign · 05-29-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Okay so it is your lack of comprehension that brings us to this thread today...thank you.

???? again, what does terrorism have to do with satanists? Are all satanists, terrorists? What are you trying to say?

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NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	Religious Freedom? Ok, just watched a special on HBO about satanists. The FBI has a task force to track down and procecute all satanist groups. Where is their religious freedom? Not saying I believe all that shit... but shouldn't they have the same religious freedom as the Christians, Mormans, Jews, Catholics...etc? __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

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NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	I would like to see a building with a penticle for a change instead of all these churches with crosses. Common, Wicca is a religion and has nothing to do with satan yet still not accepted because of the mainstream religious leaders misconception of the belief. Right or wrong... I would love to see it happen. I would be willing to be the first... anyone want to donaet to the cause? __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	At some point in history, all the currently established religions started with a very small group of followers. Once they gained enough followers, they became established and accepted as a religion. Christianity didn't always have 1 billion followers, there was a time when it was just a bunch of dudes fucking around in the desert. At the time, I'm sure there was plenty of people that thought that Christianity was a pretty crazy idea, especially the Romans, but over time Christians were able to brainwash enough people to gain followers and the numbers grew and grew. Eventually a following gains that critical mass of believers and it becomes accepted in society as a legitimate religion. So anyways, my point is that I look at religions like christianity or islam as just a socially acceptable cult. They began as a cult, and they're still a cult today, but they're accepted because there are enough people that are believers, and of course 1 billion sheeple can't be wrong. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	I doubt very seriously that the FBI has a task force to track down law abiding satanists. If so that is a violation of their civil rights. You post utter nonsense on the board like this without proof and you're going to take the heat, and no I'm not going to write to HBO to find out more information because quite honestly I just don't think you understood the program. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

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