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Bladewire · 07-31-2017, 07:51 AM

Google has a new program to track you in a store, and based on what isle you're in , and what products you're in front of, they'll push an ad to your phone's notifications.

Samsung Pay has a similar program. I go-to Walmart meybe twice a year, and notice last time I was there with me Galaxy S8+ I was getting ad notifications for Laundry detergent, in the detergent isle and an ad saying I could pay at Walmart with Samsung pay. I turned off my fucking phone. This is where things are headed.

Do you think there will be a backlash?

Spamming people real time in stores as you shop, a new low?

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Google?s new program to track shoppers sparks a federal privacy complaint

A prominent privacy rights watchdog is asking the Federal Trade Commission to investigate a new Google advertising program that ties consumers? online behavior to their purchases in brick-and-mortar stores.

The legal complaint from the Electronic Privacy Information Center, to be filed with the FTC on Monday, alleges that Google is newly gaining access to a trove of highly sensitive information -- the credit and debit card purchase records of the majority of U.S. consumers -- without revealing how they got the information or giving consumers meaningful ways to opt out. Moreover, the group claims that the search giant is relying on a secretive technical method to protect the data -- a method that should be audited by outsiders and is likely vulnerable to hacks or other data breaches.

?Google is seeking to extend its dominance from the online world to the real, offline world, and the FTC really needs to look at that,? said Marc Rotenberg, the organization?s executive director.

Google called its advertising approach "common" and said it had "invested in building a new, custom encryption technology that ensures users' data remains private, secure and anonymous."

The Washington Post detailed Google's program, Store Sales Measurement, in May. Executives have hailed it as a ?revolutionary? breakthrough in advertisers? abilities to track consumer behavior. The company said that, for the first time, it would be able to prove, with a high degree of confidence, that clicks on online ads led to purchases at the cash register of physical stores.

To do this, Google said it had obtained access to the credit and debit card records of 70 percent of U.S. consumers. It had then developed a mathematical formula that would anonymize and encrypt the transaction data, and then automatically match the transactions to the millions of U.S. users of Google and Google-owned services such as Gmail, search, YouTube and maps. This approach prevents Google from accessing the credit or debit card data for individuals.

But the company did not disclose the mathematical formula it uses to protect consumers' data. In a statement, Google said it had taken pains to build custom encryption technology that ensures the data the company receives remains private and anonymous.

The privacy organization is asking the government not to take Google?s word for it and to review the algorithm itself. In its complaint, the organization said the mathematical technique that Store Sales Measurement is based on, CryptDB, has known security

flaws. Researchers hacked into a CryptDB-protected health-care database in 2015, accessing more than 50 percent of the stored records.

Google also would not disclose which companies were providing it with the transaction records. When asked if users had consented to having their credit and debit transactions shared, Google would not specifically say. The company replied it requires that its unnamed partners have ?the rights necessary? to use this data.

In its complaint, reviewed by The Washington Post, the privacy group alleges that if consumers don?t know how Google gets its purchase data, then they cannot make an informed decision about which cards not to use or where not to shop if they don?t want their purchases tracked. The organization points out that purchases can reveal medical conditions, religious beliefs and other intimate information.

Google also told The Post that it does not have access to the names or other personal information of the credit and debit card users, and that it does not share any information about individual Google users with partners.

Advertisers receive aggregate information. For example, for an ad campaign for sneakers that received 10,000 clicks, the advertiser learns that 12 percent of the clickers made a purchase.

Users can opt out anytime, Google says. To do so, users of Google?s products can go to their My Activity Page, click on Activity Controls, and uncheck ?Web and Web Activity,? Google says.

The privacy group says the opt-out settings and the descriptions of what users are opting out of are confusing and opaque. The group says the company continues to store server and click data even when Web and App Activity is turned off, and that to opt out of everything requires a labyrinthine process of going to a number of third-party sites. Meanwhile, opting out of location-tracking requires going to a separate button and interface. None of the opt out descriptions specifically describes credit card data.

In 2011 and 2012, Google paid multi-million-dollar fines to settle FTC charges on privacy issues. In 2011, in response to a case brought by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, Google settled FTC charges that it used deceptive tactics and violated its own privacy promises when it launched its social network, Google Buzz. In the 2012 case, for $22.5 million, Google was charged with misrepresenting its privacy promises to users of Apple?s Safari browser, who were under the impression that they could opt out of ad tracking.

INever · 07-31-2017, 07:54 AM

Opting out seems easy.

1-Delete cookies and account.
2-Then...don't sign in to fucking Google anymore.

EddyTheDog · 07-31-2017, 08:05 AM

I swear I was buying that 15 inch extra thick black dildo for someone else - It was for my uncle Steve - Yes, it was for Steve...

I, sorry I mean 'he' says he doesn't need another one - Please stop sending the 'Big Black Dicks' sale items to my work email.....

Rochard · 07-31-2017, 08:44 AM

I was in Target the other day and noticed the amount of cameras they have on the ceiling has gone through the roof. I know they track you in each aisle.... They track you through the entire store, track how much time you spend in each aisle, what products you look at, what you buy, and then match it up to your profile when you check out.

Bladewire · 07-31-2017, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I was in Target the other day and noticed the amount of cameras they have on the ceiling has gone through the roof. I know they track you in each aisle.... They track you through the entire store, track how much time you spend in each aisle, what products you look at, what you buy, and then match it up to your profile when you check out.

Jesus fucking Christ! Now I'm going to be paranoid in the store I never noticed the cameras

You must have a shoplifting past? "The many lives of Rochard"

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2017, 09:12 AM

"To do this, Google said it had obtained access to the credit and debit card records of 70 percent of U.S. consumers." <<< If that in not illegal -- it should be.

They might have access to peoples' purchase data of Google sold products and transactions made with Google wallet or other processing they control.

I think that statement is bullshit.

https://epic.org/privacy/ftc/google/...-Complaint.pdf

Don't buy from Google and they cannot access your data from other credit card processing sources outside of the Googleverse AKA E-Corp ;)

And you wonder why people block ads?

Bladewire · 07-31-2017, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Don't buy from Google and they cannot access you data from other credit card processing sources outside of the Googleverse AKA E-Corp ;)

The credit card data they have is beyond the Googleverse and they refuse to disclose how they obtained it and they refuse to decrypt it.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2017, 09:28 AM

Why should you care if a business tracks you while you are on their premises or on their website and such ...

If you are really in business you want to better understand how to market your products to your customers and potential customers.

I agree that specific profiling of individual consumers should be illegal. But if the profiling is anonymized like; male 25-35, even with race or an estimated income attached, when used for benign purposes of marketing a product -- exactly where is the problem?

Why would you want to advertise Afro Sheen to 50 year old white women?
Or, advertise specials on Vodka to obvious 10 year old kids?
Or, advertise a new Mercedes-Benz to someone observed in a janitor's uniform.

Also, in case you haven't figured it out -- Google didn't create Android free without a plan in mind.

MrMaxwell · 07-31-2017, 09:33 AM

", Wont Unencrypted for"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean, moron?!

Bladewire · 07-31-2017, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why should you care if a business tracks you while you are on their premises or on their website and such ...

If you are really in business you want to better understand how to market your products to your customers and potential customers.

I agree that specific profiling of individual consumers should be illegal. But if the profiling is anonymized like; male 25-35, even with race or an estimated income attached, when used for benign purposes of marketing a product -- exactly where is the problem?

Why would you want to advertise Afro Sheen to 50 year old white women?
Or, advertise specials on Vodka to obvious 10 year old kids?
Or, advertise a new Mercedes-Benz to someone observed in a janitor's uniform.

Also, in case you haven't figured it out -- Google didn't create Android free without a plan in mind.

It's not anonymous. You know that, I know that, just like Gmail isn't free and Android isn't tracking when you pick up the phone in the morning and the first things you do on your phone. Most sheep have no clue.

The "anonymous" bullshit is a lie. You can't wear a blindfold and know something everyone does to market to them better.

The reason they have data encrypted is so only they have access to the data that identifies you.

If I know everything about you but your name, then I know everything about you and make up a name for you. Get it?

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2017, 09:38 AM

read the PDF .. follow footnote[8]
they are citing a Washington Post article -- did you read that article?

page 3 of 25 footnote [8]

PCI-DSS rules require encryption for credit card numbers. However, the tokens used in processing that represent an individual could be used to accrue the tokens purchases.

You need a court order for those records to be handed over TO THE COURT encrypted or decrypted -- that is personal property -- not a summons or the subject of a disposition in a civil complaint.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2017, 09:43 AM

Look, every business has its customer data. Google snoops email -- everyone knows that.

Don't use gmail for anything you never want disclosed in court or to the government.

Encryption is used to secure data from outsiders or persons not authorized to access that data in a business or governmental environment. Ever hear the expression "below your pay grade?"

MrMaxwell · 07-31-2017, 11:27 AM

Barry
You remind me of this guy from some Car Audio forum I use to post drunk on
His name was MrBentwrench
Do you know that guy?
He's probably dead

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2017, 02:06 PM

Nope. Be interesting to see how Google answers this complaint however.

Business on the Internet is just getting too unethical. The new EU GDPR [Deadline: 5/25/2018] is directly in response to these type of unethical practices.

Ad marketing and stalking are becoming hard to differentiate. Get ready for the 'Intention Economy' where the Youniverse is the central point.

Zeiss · 07-31-2017, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Spamming people real time in stores as you shop, a new low?

Now that is low...

Bladewire · 07-31-2017, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Ad marketing and stalking are becoming hard to differentiate. Get ready for the 'Intention Economy' where the Youniverse is the central point.

I got these in my Galaxy S8+ phone while entering Home Depot today. It's stalking plain and simple

I think it's funny Google asks me "are you at Home Depot?"

oppoten · 07-31-2017, 03:33 PM

Keep pushing, juden...

nico-t · 08-01-2017, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Jesus fucking Christ! Now I'm going to be paranoid in the store I never noticed the cameras

You must have a shoplifting past? "The many lives of Rochard"

Rochard doesn't care how much they track his every move, because he 'has nothing to hide'.

When the government starts installing cameras in everyones house 'for security' a la "1984", Rochard still does not mind because he 'has nothing to hide'.

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Google Creates Database 70% all Credit/Debit Transactions, Wont Unencrypted for Feds Google has a new program to track you in a store, and based on what isle you're in , and what products you're in front of, they'll push an ad to your phone's notifications. Samsung Pay has a similar program. I go-to Walmart meybe twice a year, and notice last time I was there with me Galaxy S8+ I was getting ad notifications for Laundry detergent, in the detergent isle and an ad saying I could pay at Walmart with Samsung pay. I turned off my fucking phone. This is where things are headed. Do you think there will be a backlash? Spamming people real time in stores as you shop, a new low? ------ Google?s new program to track shoppers sparks a federal privacy complaint A prominent privacy rights watchdog is asking the Federal Trade Commission to investigate a new Google advertising program that ties consumers? online behavior to their purchases in brick-and-mortar stores. The legal complaint from the Electronic Privacy Information Center, to be filed with the FTC on Monday, alleges that Google is newly gaining access to a trove of highly sensitive information -- the credit and debit card purchase records of the majority of U.S. consumers -- without revealing how they got the information or giving consumers meaningful ways to opt out. Moreover, the group claims that the search giant is relying on a secretive technical method to protect the data -- a method that should be audited by outsiders and is likely vulnerable to hacks or other data breaches. ?Google is seeking to extend its dominance from the online world to the real, offline world, and the FTC really needs to look at that,? said Marc Rotenberg, the organization?s executive director. Google called its advertising approach "common" and said it had "invested in building a new, custom encryption technology that ensures users' data remains private, secure and anonymous." The Washington Post detailed Google's program, Store Sales Measurement, in May. Executives have hailed it as a ?revolutionary? breakthrough in advertisers? abilities to track consumer behavior. The company said that, for the first time, it would be able to prove, with a high degree of confidence, that clicks on online ads led to purchases at the cash register of physical stores. To do this, Google said it had obtained access to the credit and debit card records of 70 percent of U.S. consumers. It had then developed a mathematical formula that would anonymize and encrypt the transaction data, and then automatically match the transactions to the millions of U.S. users of Google and Google-owned services such as Gmail, search, YouTube and maps. This approach prevents Google from accessing the credit or debit card data for individuals. But the company did not disclose the mathematical formula it uses to protect consumers' data. In a statement, Google said it had taken pains to build custom encryption technology that ensures the data the company receives remains private and anonymous. The privacy organization is asking the government not to take Google?s word for it and to review the algorithm itself. In its complaint, the organization said the mathematical technique that Store Sales Measurement is based on, CryptDB, has known security flaws. Researchers hacked into a CryptDB-protected health-care database in 2015, accessing more than 50 percent of the stored records. Google also would not disclose which companies were providing it with the transaction records. When asked if users had consented to having their credit and debit transactions shared, Google would not specifically say. The company replied it requires that its unnamed partners have ?the rights necessary? to use this data. In its complaint, reviewed by The Washington Post, the privacy group alleges that if consumers don?t know how Google gets its purchase data, then they cannot make an informed decision about which cards not to use or where not to shop if they don?t want their purchases tracked. The organization points out that purchases can reveal medical conditions, religious beliefs and other intimate information. Google also told The Post that it does not have access to the names or other personal information of the credit and debit card users, and that it does not share any information about individual Google users with partners. Advertisers receive aggregate information. For example, for an ad campaign for sneakers that received 10,000 clicks, the advertiser learns that 12 percent of the clickers made a purchase. Users can opt out anytime, Google says. To do so, users of Google?s products can go to their My Activity Page, click on Activity Controls, and uncheck ?Web and Web Activity,? Google says. The privacy group says the opt-out settings and the descriptions of what users are opting out of are confusing and opaque. The group says the company continues to store server and click data even when Web and App Activity is turned off, and that to opt out of everything requires a labyrinthine process of going to a number of third-party sites. Meanwhile, opting out of location-tracking requires going to a separate button and interface. None of the opt out descriptions specifically describes credit card data. In 2011 and 2012, Google paid multi-million-dollar fines to settle FTC charges on privacy issues. In 2011, in response to a case brought by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, Google settled FTC charges that it used deceptive tactics and violated its own privacy promises when it launched its social network, Google Buzz. In the 2012 case, for $22.5 million, Google was charged with misrepresenting its privacy promises to users of Apple?s Safari browser, who were under the impression that they could opt out of ad tracking.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	"To do this, Google said it had obtained access to the credit and debit card records of 70 percent of U.S. consumers." <<< If that in not illegal -- it should be. They might have access to peoples' purchase data of Google sold products and transactions made with Google wallet or other processing they control. I think that statement is bullshit. https://epic.org/privacy/ftc/google/...-Complaint.pdf Don't buy from Google and they cannot access your data from other credit card processing sources outside of the Googleverse AKA E-Corp ;) And you wonder why people block ads?

07-31-2017, 09:28 AM	#8
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Why should you care if a business tracks you while you are on their premises or on their website and such ... If you are really in business you want to better understand how to market your products to your customers and potential customers. I agree that specific profiling of individual consumers should be illegal. But if the profiling is anonymized like; male 25-35, even with race or an estimated income attached, when used for benign purposes of marketing a product -- exactly where is the problem? Why would you want to advertise Afro Sheen to 50 year old white women? Or, advertise specials on Vodka to obvious 10 year old kids? Or, advertise a new Mercedes-Benz to someone observed in a janitor's uniform. Also, in case you haven't figured it out -- Google didn't create Android free without a plan in mind.

07-31-2017, 09:33 AM	#9
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	", Wont Unencrypted for" What the fuck is that supposed to mean, moron?!

07-31-2017, 09:38 AM	#11
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	read the PDF .. follow footnote[8] they are citing a Washington Post article -- did you read that article? page 3 of 25 footnote [8] PCI-DSS rules require encryption for credit card numbers. However, the tokens used in processing that represent an individual could be used to accrue the tokens purchases. You need a court order for those records to be handed over TO THE COURT encrypted or decrypted -- that is personal property -- not a summons or the subject of a disposition in a civil complaint.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Look, every business has its customer data. Google snoops email -- everyone knows that. Don't use gmail for anything you never want disclosed in court or to the government. Encryption is used to secure data from outsiders or persons not authorized to access that data in a business or governmental environment. Ever hear the expression "below your pay grade?"

07-31-2017, 11:27 AM	#13
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	Barry You remind me of this guy from some Car Audio forum I use to post drunk on His name was MrBentwrench Do you know that guy? He's probably dead

07-31-2017, 02:06 PM	#14
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Nope. Be interesting to see how Google answers this complaint however. Business on the Internet is just getting too unethical. The new EU GDPR [Deadline: 5/25/2018] is directly in response to these type of unethical practices. Ad marketing and stalking are becoming hard to differentiate. Get ready for the 'Intention Economy' where the Youniverse is the central point.

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