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DarkJedi · 04-20-2003, 08:25 AM

In just 12 weeks ?

http://www.musclegaintips.com/

Any ideas ?
I don't fell paying 80 bucks for his guide, just to be told: eat more/train harder.

kad · 04-20-2003, 08:28 AM

It looks as if he was already pretty toned to start with. Its not like he had to drop any weight first..

DarkJedi · 04-20-2003, 08:30 AM

i cant fucking beleive it.

week 1

week 16

Pete · 04-20-2003, 08:32 AM

Thats amazing....and no its not photoshop

EscortBiz · 04-20-2003, 08:37 AM

I dont have the guide but here is what I think.

I do think he did some steroids (and mostlikly cheap ones) notice the hair line. Also notice the vaines are thick, you achive that only by using Fina or one of the other roids out there designed to make your vaines look like sewer pipes.

The huge increase in his legs tells me he shot them in the glutes to avoid upper body shots that would lead to more bloading.

Notice hes more tan, tanning will make you look more cut, thats why blacks look bigger and cutter.

I think he started to take in serious amounts of protein a day (mostlikly he took his weight i.e. if he weights 170 he took in 170mg of that)

I do not think he did much cardio or he would never been able to gain so much mass.

He def. worked out as he was growing or he would lose the cuts.

CoolE · 04-20-2003, 08:38 AM

It's called "muscle retention". If you are in really nice shape for a while, then you let yourself go to hell for a period of time, then get your ass back in the gym, you are able to build muscle mass and shape VERY quickly.

All those before-and-after guys in "bulk up"/"tone up" advertising are situations like that.

CoolE · 04-20-2003, 08:40 AM

...Or it might be called "muscle memory retention"; something like that.

EscortBiz · 04-20-2003, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CoolE
It's called "muscle retention". If you are in really nice shape for a while, then you let yourself go to hell for a period of time, then get your ass back in the gym, you are able to build muscle mass and shape VERY quickly.

All those before-and-after guys in "bulk up"/"tone up" advertising are situations like that.

you can say that with toning up but mass? nah no such thing

mule · 04-20-2003, 08:44 AM

I think the NYT is photochopped

SothArtist · 04-20-2003, 08:44 AM

Theres a prog called body for life that does it too. No hidden bullshit. Grunt and grind.

Bill Phillips developed it.

http://www.bodyforlife.com/

This is a non profit site that deals with people on the program.

http://www.leanandstrong.com/

It is really worth checking out.

Wurihan · 04-20-2003, 08:45 AM

wow!!!i'm impressed!!!!

CoolE · 04-20-2003, 08:48 AM

http://members.shaw.ca/bodybuilding/Muscles/memory.html

It ain't magic. It's muscle memory...

"Muscle memory is recognized when someone who has had substantial muscular mass and then lost it due to injury or layoffs from training, returns to training and regains the majority of the mass in a much shorter time than was initially required to develop it."

EscortBiz · 04-20-2003, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CoolE
http://members.shaw.ca/bodybuilding/Muscles/memory.html

It ain't magic. It's muscle memory...

"Muscle memory is recognized when someone who has had substantial muscular mass and then lost it due to injury or layoffs from training, returns to training and regains the majority of the mass in a much shorter time than was initially required to develop it."

I know what muscle memory is, but he added huge amount of mass not muscle mass but MASS that you get from food not muscle.

SothArtist · 04-20-2003, 08:56 AM

http://customizedphysiques.com/

This Lady is a living legend. She is prolly Body for lifes most famous success. She really is incredible.

Marcus · 04-20-2003, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
I dont have the guide but here is what I think.

I do think he did some steroids (and mostlikly cheap ones)

Thats exactly what I thought too.
I've seen people get big very fast and that's the only explanation

CoolE · 04-20-2003, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

...but he added huge amount of mass not muscle mass but MASS that you get from food not muscle.

Obviously he got the additional mass from from eating food - unless he shoved protein shakes up his ass. You claim to understand what "muscle memory" is, but I don't think you do - it's not the ability to convert flabby body mass into muscle mass quickly - it's the ability to gain muscle mass quickly. Read the definition again. I've seen the effects of muscle memory on myself - the muscles can grow huge VERY quickly, and you do not need pre-existing flabby body mass as a prerequisite as you imply.

I'm just saying that "muscle memory" is probably one of the main factors behind the dramatic before and after pictures - it always is in the most dramatic before and after pics. So newcomers definitely should not expect the same results.

But, whatever; I got other things to do now. Piss away.

Thrawn$ · 04-20-2003, 09:28 AM

Go to the gym and train 30min and take pictures of yourself just after! this is how he do it

Theo · 04-20-2003, 09:28 AM

he was already trained, a steroid cycle is 40 days, 12 weeks can be 2 cycles, 16 weeks could be 3 cycles, there are bodybuilders that don't stay away from cycles for more than a year. Three proper steroids cycles can make you a monster in 16 weeks. One part of the body that doesn't gain muscles that easy is the chest. Check his chest after 16 weeks, not big difference than before. The question is would you risk your health for this? Doing cycles in row will kill your health.

pyro · 04-20-2003, 09:46 AM

He juiced up for sure, but his guide will tell you natural ways like eating more protein and a workout guide. He might even mention a little creatine. I wouldnt pay $80 for it...

asuna · 04-20-2003, 09:48 AM

hmmm, maybe I cna get buffed like that

Za Ha · 04-20-2003, 09:52 AM

That is possible.

LOTS of createin and protein and work out with heavy weights. He looks like a skinny fuck at first so he doesnt have to worry bout cardio.

I went from no body to being pretty ripped in about 3 weeks of createin, I think in 3 months I could get pretty built, not that crazy but maybe close.

You dont take steriods when you have no muscle, it will not benefit u... you gotta bulk up first.

foreverjason · 04-20-2003, 09:56 AM

Im pretty sure its muscle memory retention

vending_machine · 04-20-2003, 10:14 AM

Are you kidding me? It doesn't even look like the same guy in those pictures.. Scam.

jake2000xp · 04-20-2003, 10:33 AM

I'm sure he took some juice, if it is legit. Upper body doesen't shock me that much, but the upper leg development is very hard to accomplish in 3 months. He was bird legs to start.

jake2000xp · 04-20-2003, 10:36 AM

The head look's like a superimposed image on the body as well..

dinkz · 04-20-2003, 10:37 AM

Steroids for sure

DarkJedi · 04-20-2003, 10:44 AM

we need juicylinks - he seems to know much about it

FTVGirls · 04-20-2003, 10:47 AM

Back at school, I had a friend who was average build when I knew him. He started this program for one of those kinds of companies, for before/after competition and I helped shoot the pics.

To help make a real good before/after, he not only used the program, but used steriods too. This change in several months I see above is exactly how it was for my friend.

FTVGirls · 04-20-2003, 10:48 AM

oh yes but minor note, you pump up for your second picture, and notice the light is placed to show of the muscular striations better, than the flat lighting in the first.

MuleScrote · 04-20-2003, 10:48 AM

He took no steroids....nor was he buff in the past. His before photo is really a pic of what he looked like through high school. With strict supplementation, a strict balanced diet, and a very intense structured work-out his results are achievable. No heating!!!

I have seen the body for life videos, the people in that program follow very strict guidelines. They did not have to take a piss test, but they did have to take polygraph. Many of the other thousands of people in that challenge showed very similar success.

Check out some of the others:
http://bodyforlife.com/comp_corner.shtml

Exxxotica · 04-20-2003, 11:03 AM

It's all about hard work.

My son uses no steroids... and he is ripped

<img src="http://www.exxxotica.net/stuff/bodybuilder1.jpg">

MuleScrote · 04-20-2003, 11:17 AM

Sorry...I couldn't help myself.

beemk · 04-20-2003, 01:10 PM

who is to say it was only 16 weeks? he could have LOST the muscle and the before pic is after and the after pic is before.

manuelk · 04-21-2003, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
who is to say it was only 16 weeks? he could have LOST the muscle and the before pic is after and the after pic is before.

you looked on the hair line.. ?

adamneve · 04-21-2003, 08:48 AM

amazing
but that head looks like photoshop

Dirty F · 04-21-2003, 08:58 AM

Wtf? Does it change skin colour as well? Great, i always wanted to be a black guy!

beemk · 04-21-2003, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by manuelk

you looked on the hair line.. ?

looks shaved to me.

Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Wtf? Does it change skin colour as well? Great, i always wanted to be a black guy!

Now this is more likely to be a case of muscle memory. WHen you get big, then stop working out, you shrink some, and get flabby. The muscle you achieved from building the initial mass gets soft, and loses size (if you don't maintain caloric intake) and cut.

The top pic of that skinny guy probably wouldn't really be a classic case of muscle memory, since he looked in shape to begin with, and simply put on mass.

RedShoe · 04-21-2003, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Wtf? Does it change skin colour as well? Great, i always wanted to be a black guy!

This is a photo trick as well as a physical trick.

In the first photo, they hit him with so much soft light that he casts no shadows, and thus looks more like a blob (with no definition) and they make him look frumpy. In the second photo they've oilded his body to reflect more light at the high points of the muscles. The light seems like a more concentrated light source to be more specular, and I don't know why he's darker, but thathelps. Either he tanned in a bottle, or he tanned in a salon.

Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedShoe

This is a photo trick as well as a physical trick.

In the first photo, they hit him with so much soft light that he casts no shadows, and thus looks more like a blob (with no definition) and they make him look frumpy. In the second photo they've oilded his body to reflect more light at the high points of the muscles. The light seems like a more concentrated light source to be more specular, and I don't know why he's darker, but thathelps. Either he tanned in a bottle, or he tanned in a salon.

That's more than just a light trick. But you're right about why he's darker. All bodybuilders darken themselves before a show or photoshoot to keep the definition of their physique apparent to the naked eye. When on stage, or in a photoshoot, bright lights can wash away the appearance of muscle "cuts", making you look flat.

So they either go to a salon, or use a skin bronzer, or both.

gornyhuy · 04-21-2003, 09:51 AM

Those 12 week transformation systems use basically 3 things:

1)Massive supplementation: mainly Creatine, protein, mass builders, thermogenics

2)Specific high weight, low rep free weight workouts

3)HIIT (high intensity interval training) for burning the fat off

and then of course they do
4)lighting magic
and
5)tanning booth
and
6)body shave

But it DOES work.

traffictrader · 04-21-2003, 10:20 AM

yeah well, they all still have small penises.

Theo · 04-21-2003, 10:29 AM

lol yes creatine, protein, proper diet and hard training will make you like this in 12 weeks

Anthony_A · 04-21-2003, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
In just 12 weeks ?

http://www.musclegaintips.com/

Any ideas ?
I don't fell paying 80 bucks for his guide, just to be told: eat more/train harder.

He was one of the reasons I did Body For Life by EAS. No steroids, just a sound diet, excercise, and supplements.

http://www.bodyforlife.com/

MCsteve-matrix · 04-21-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha
That is possible.

LOTS of createin and protein and work out with heavy weights. He looks like a skinny fuck at first so he doesnt have to worry bout cardio.

I went from no body to being pretty ripped in about 3 weeks of createin, I think in 3 months I could get pretty built, not that crazy but maybe close.

You dont take steriods when you have no muscle, it will not benefit u... you gotta bulk up first.

creatine works good with this stuff: NO2

created by the same guy

Gimmy · 04-21-2003, 12:09 PM

its not even the same person

Anthony_A · 04-21-2003, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
who is to say it was only 16 weeks? he could have LOST the muscle and the before pic is after and the after pic is before.

It's 16 weeks. EAS Body for Life Contest is a pretty big thing among fitness enthusiasts.

I've been able to get really cut in that time period as well. Alot of dieting. It can be done.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 12:41 PM

What's the best thing to eat if you dont' want to take suppliments?

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 12:42 PM

Fried chicken and jelly donuts?

RedShoe · 04-21-2003, 12:42 PM

F I D D Y

04-20-2003, 08:25 AM	#1
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	How the hell did he do it ?! In just 12 weeks ? http://www.musclegaintips.com/ Any ideas ? I don't fell paying 80 bucks for his guide, just to be told: eat more/train harder.

04-20-2003, 08:28 AM	#2
kad Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 735	It looks as if he was already pretty toned to start with. Its not like he had to drop any weight first.. __________________ lol internet.

04-20-2003, 08:32 AM	#4
Pete Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Posts: 6,617	Thats amazing....and no its not photoshop __________________ Evoke Electronics

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EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	I dont have the guide but here is what I think. I do think he did some steroids (and mostlikly cheap ones) notice the hair line. Also notice the vaines are thick, you achive that only by using Fina or one of the other roids out there designed to make your vaines look like sewer pipes. The huge increase in his legs tells me he shot them in the glutes to avoid upper body shots that would lead to more bloading. Notice hes more tan, tanning will make you look more cut, thats why blacks look bigger and cutter. I think he started to take in serious amounts of protein a day (mostlikly he took his weight i.e. if he weights 170 he took in 170mg of that) I do not think he did much cardio or he would never been able to gain so much mass. He def. worked out as he was growing or he would lose the cuts. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

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CoolE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 451	It's called "muscle retention". If you are in really nice shape for a while, then you let yourself go to hell for a period of time, then get your ass back in the gym, you are able to build muscle mass and shape VERY quickly. All those before-and-after guys in "bulk up"/"tone up" advertising are situations like that. Last edited by CoolE; 04-20-2003 at 08:40 AM..

04-20-2003, 08:30 AM	#3
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	i cant fucking beleive it. week 1 week 16

04-20-2003, 08:40 AM	#7
CoolE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 451	...Or it might be called "muscle memory retention"; something like that.

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mule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: hamsterdam Posts: 6,085	I think the NYT is photochopped __________________ Converting like a mofo

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SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	Theres a prog called body for life that does it too. No hidden bullshit. Grunt and grind. Bill Phillips developed it. http://www.bodyforlife.com/ This is a non profit site that deals with people on the program. http://www.leanandstrong.com/ It is really worth checking out.

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04-20-2003, 08:48 AM	#12
CoolE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 451	http://members.shaw.ca/bodybuilding/Muscles/memory.html It ain't magic. It's muscle memory... "Muscle memory is recognized when someone who has had substantial muscular mass and then lost it due to injury or layoffs from training, returns to training and regains the majority of the mass in a much shorter time than was initially required to develop it." Last edited by CoolE; 04-20-2003 at 08:50 AM..

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	he was already trained, a steroid cycle is 40 days, 12 weeks can be 2 cycles, 16 weeks could be 3 cycles, there are bodybuilders that don't stay away from cycles for more than a year. Three proper steroids cycles can make you a monster in 16 weeks. One part of the body that doesn't gain muscles that easy is the chest. Check his chest after 16 weeks, not big difference than before. The question is would you risk your health for this? Doing cycles in row will kill your health.

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pyro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 156	He juiced up for sure, but his guide will tell you natural ways like eating more protein and a workout guide. He might even mention a little creatine. I wouldnt pay $80 for it...

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asuna Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,743	hmmm, maybe I cna get buffed like that __________________

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Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	That is possible. LOTS of createin and protein and work out with heavy weights. He looks like a skinny fuck at first so he doesnt have to worry bout cardio. I went from no body to being pretty ripped in about 3 weeks of createin, I think in 3 months I could get pretty built, not that crazy but maybe close. You dont take steriods when you have no muscle, it will not benefit u... you gotta bulk up first.

04-20-2003, 09:56 AM	#22
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	Im pretty sure its muscle memory retention

04-20-2003, 10:14 AM	#23
vending_machine Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,062	Are you kidding me? It doesn't even look like the same guy in those pictures.. Scam.

04-20-2003, 10:33 AM	#24
jake2000xp Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 434	I'm sure he took some juice, if it is legit. Upper body doesen't shock me that much, but the upper leg development is very hard to accomplish in 3 months. He was bird legs to start. Last edited by jake2000xp; 04-20-2003 at 10:37 AM..

04-20-2003, 10:36 AM	#25
jake2000xp Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 434	The head look's like a superimposed image on the body as well..

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DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	we need juicylinks - he seems to know much about it

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04-20-2003, 10:48 AM	#29
FTVGirls So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,052	oh yes but minor note, you pump up for your second picture, and notice the light is placed to show of the muscular striations better, than the flat lighting in the first.

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