$10 billion for a border wall seems expensive

[Google Expert]

until you realize Obama increased our debt by $10 Trillion.

$10 billion for the Great Wall of Trump is a bargain in comparison and it would be built with American steel, American concrete and American workers

[suesheboy]

LOL. You think so.

[Rochard]

Just imagine what Obama would have done if he didn't take on that recession left over from the last administration.....

[altmman]

Trump Aug 2015:
Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...829056?lang=en


Trump today: "it's a fence".

[plaster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just imagine what Obama would have done if he didn't take on that recession left over from the last administration.....

Add 20 trillion to debt instead of 10?

[plaster]

Originally Posted by altmman

Trump Aug 2015:
Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...829056?lang=en


Trump today: "it's a fence".

Wrong

Some on Republican Congress mentioned fence and Trump clear as day said it will be a CONCRETE WALL and if appropriate, some fence could be used. Please be aware that any words uttered out of the mouths of people not named Donald Trump, has absolutely no bearing on what Trump says and will do. I know it's hard to distinguish... please try.

[klinton]

lol, you are all so fucking funny and naive thats out of imagination.

imagine few thousands kilometres wall WITHOUT any possibility to build tunnels below it. lol, just lol.

if there will be a will to employ imigrants because they are cheaper - they will always find a way to get in. by bribes, planes, boats, tunnels, whatever, anything.

I bet that Trump will make some good money on building that thing, as thats his business. maybe he will even employ some Mexicans to do it. and he will find them in US, not in Mexico

[altmman]

Originally Posted by plaster

Wrong

Some on Republican Congress mentioned fence and Trump clear as day said it will be a CONCRETE WALL and if appropriate, some fence could be used. Please be aware that any words uttered out of the mouths of people not named Donald Trump, has absolutely no bearing on what Trump says and will do. I know it's hard to distinguish... please try.

"Congress won't fund the kind of wall Trump promised, and Mexico won't pay for it. But to save face, President Trump and congressional leaders will likely agree to a modest extension of the existing border fence,"

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters on Wednesday that border security was an important agenda item that he wanted to achieve "in whatever way is the most effective."


- Reuters

[noshit]

Originally Posted by altmman

"Congress won't fund the kind of wall Trump promised, and Mexico won't pay for it. But to save face, President Trump and congressional leaders will likely agree to a modest extension of the existing border fence,"

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters on Wednesday that border security was an important agenda item that he wanted to achieve "in whatever way is the most effective."


- Reuters

Duped Nolt with Low IQ and Huge Goiter, Quotes Mitch McConnell using Reuters

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[noshit]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just imagine what Obama would have done if he didn't take on that recession left over from the last administration.....

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[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

until you realize Obama increased our debt by $10 Trillion.

$10 billion for the Great Wall of Trump is a bargain in comparison and it would be built with American steel, American concrete and American workers

Pah that's nothing. The UK has comissioned a new railway that no one wants. It's cost is about $70 billion.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by noshit

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[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

until you realize Obama increased our debt by $10 Trillion.

$10 billion for the Great Wall of Trump is a bargain in comparison and it would be built with American steel, American concrete and American workers

The big fence of Don

Donald Trump says parts of the wall between Mexico and the US will actually be a fence | The Independent

I also hear Don's not deporting illegals now, just the illegal convicts...

Doesn't the US do that already though?

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

The big fence of Don

Donald Trump says parts of the wall between Mexico and the US will actually be a fence | The Independent

I also hear Don's not deporting illegals now, just the illegal convicts...

Doesn't the US do that already though?

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

The big fence of Don

Donald Trump says parts of the wall between Mexico and the US will actually be a fence | The Independent

I also hear Don's not deporting illegals now, just the illegal convicts...

Doesn't the US do that already though?

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Doesn't the US do that already though?

The US does not deport criminals at nearly the same rate as other nations.

The problem is our sanctuary cities (LA, Chicago, NYC, etc.) that refuse to hold criminal illegal immigrants long enough for the feds to come get them. Trump has threatened to cut federal funding to these sanctuary cities. That would be one way of getting them to cooperate.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by altmman

"Congress won't fund the kind of wall Trump promised, and Mexico won't pay for it. But to save face, President Trump and congressional leaders will likely agree to a modest extension of the existing border fence,"

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters on Wednesday that border security was an important agenda item that he wanted to achieve "in whatever way is the most effective."


- Reuters

Well, the Israeli wall costs $2m a kilometer (http://stopthewall.org/the-wall), and that is probably a high estimate. So the US wall will probably cost somewhere between $4-8b, which is a fraction of what just the federal government spends on illegal alien services. Compare that to the cost of the latest US aircraft carrier, which costs $13b alone, or the USS Zumwalt, the US's latest destroyer, at $4.4b. I'd say it's relatively inexpensive, and will save us several hundred billions - maybe even trillions - over its effective lifetime.

No, it's a no-brainer: Build the Wall.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

The big fence of Don

Donald Trump says parts of the wall between Mexico and the US will actually be a fence | The Independent

I also hear Don's not deporting illegals now, just the illegal convicts...

Doesn't the US do that already though?

These parts will be patrolled with drones and keep nearby outposts with fast-moving vehicles to catch the fence hoppers.

Originally Posted by klinton

lol, you are all so fucking funny and naive thats out of imagination.

imagine few thousands kilometres wall WITHOUT any possibility to build tunnels below it. lol, just lol.

Under it? Sure, but not in numbers, and the cost of building a tunnel would make it's use so expensive that only very valuable contraband - narcotics - would ever go through it.

If you progressives are looking for a rebuttal, this one ain't it - walls work, as the Gaza, Berlin, and North Korean DMZ all prove irrefutably. The financial argument isn't going to work, either, since even the highest reasonable estimate - around $10b - is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount America wastes on social service, policing, and adjudicating the illegal alien population annually. Frankly, you guys are pretty much fucked, and will have to argue on pure emotion. Then again, that's what comprises most progressive "arguments" anyway, so I guess you're used to it

Praise Kek.

[Google Expert]

A guard tower. Pre-fabricated concrete slabs trucked in and just dropped in place vertically boom boom boom. Not unreasonable for a team to do a mile a day like that.




Israel has a border wall with egypt too. that's the first picture in the thread.

Saudi Arabia's 1000-mile long wall:

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

Saudi Arabia's 1000-mile long wall:

^^ Fence ^^

We're already seeing some fanatic Trump supporters trying to distort reality to support Trumps backpedaling

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

she has a horrible belly button & those blue eyes and awful short hair, Why keep posting this women, I thought it was your mother or something?


here, vote Hillary

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-c...etition-no_msg

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

she has a horrible belly button & those blue eyes and awful short hair, Why keep posting this women, I thought it was your mother or something?


here, vote Hillary

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-c...etition-no_msg

Wow I signed a couple days ago (not that it's going to do anything) and slightly over 2 million then, now over 4 million

[Paul Markham]

Stopping illegal migration and making it harder for legal migrants who can't earn a high wage. Will increase jobs and wages for the Native workers.

It will also reduce the amount paid out in unemployment benefits. Reduce pressure on Social Services like Healthcare and crime. It doesn't matter if migrants are less likely to be ill or criminals. They shouldn't be in the country in the first place. And unemployment or living in poverty increase the likely hood of illness and crime.

This is without the long term affect of the migrants getting older, having children and the decrease in available jobs.

The downside is raised wages for low-paid workers. Means lower profits for Corporations.

[klinton]

you forgot to quote this:
if there will be a will to employ imigrants because they are cheaper - they will always find a way to get in. by bribes, planes, boats, tunnels, whatever, anything.

but yeah, i know that some people are very selective on what they ignore and cant face

Originally Posted by Google Expert

Under it? Sure, but not in numbers, and the cost of building a tunnel would make it's use so expensive that only very valuable contraband - narcotics - would ever go through it.

If you progressives are looking for a rebuttal, this one ain't it - walls work, as the Gaza, Berlin, and North Korean DMZ all prove irrefutably. The financial argument isn't going to work, either, since even the highest reasonable estimate - around $10b - is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount America wastes on social service, policing, and adjudicating the illegal alien population annually. Frankly, you guys are pretty much fucked, and will have to argue on pure emotion. Then again, that's what comprises most progressive "arguments" anyway, so I guess you're used to it

Praise Kek.

[MFCT]

The irony is, Trump will need to import Mexican construction workers to build it. Why? Most Americans are too zonked-out on meth or pills and are in no condition to do an honest day's work.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by klinton

you forgot to quote this:
if there will be a will to employ imigrants because they are cheaper - they will always find a way to get in. by bribes, planes, boats, tunnels, whatever, anything.

but yeah, i know that some people are very selective on what they ignore and cant face

Not if those employers are fined $1,000 for every week an illegal migrant works for them. give the fine money to the immigration police and there's profit to be made.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

A guard tower. Pre-fabricated concrete slabs trucked in and just dropped in place vertically boom boom boom. Not unreasonable for a team to do a mile a day like that.




Israel has a border wall with egypt too. that's the first picture in the thread.

Saudi Arabia's 1000-mile long wall:

You missed the biggest one.

In fact, a long-distance cycling route along the length of the former border called the Iron Curtain Trail (ICT) exists as a project of the European Union and other associated nations. The trail is 6,800 km (4,200 mi) long and spans from Finland to Greece.

I remember seeing it Austria and Germany. It was chilling knowing that the guards would shoot anyone trying to get over. That's assuming the land mines didn't get them first.

[Paul Markham]

The $10bn is one off to build it. The real costs are in policing the wall, the affect from that is the drop in costs of policing illegals.

The real gain is in taxes. More US workers paying more taxes and spending the money in the US, not sending it back home.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Wow I signed a couple days ago (not that it's going to do anything) and slightly over 2 million then, now over 4 million

that's a massive amount of people wanting to change the way it is as the moment!

[klinton]

LOL, do you really believe that there was a wall/fence in europe that was long for 6,000 km in Europe in 80's ?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You missed the biggest one.









I remember seeing it Austria and Germany. It was chilling knowing that the guards would shoot anyone trying to get over. That's assuming the land mines didn't get them first.

[CurrentlySober]

Praise KEK

[NatalieK]

and btw, amazing films come from the States, about our countries coming together like in Independence day, removing walls and making bridges.

Can we not all live on this planet together...

Amazed so many humans are acting worse than animals in the streets and planning worse than animals in nature

[Google Expert]

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy: We're already laying groundwork for border wall legislation


House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Congress isn't waiting for President-elect Donald Trump's swearing-in to move on the issue of immigration, saying the wheels are in motion on prepping legislation needed to build Mr. Trump's pledged U.S.-Mexico border wall.

Mr. McCarthy said he has helped put a team in place "so when we're sworn in ... we are able to move the legislation needed to start building the wall."

Mr. McCarthy also said Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who said earlier this week that Chicago will always be a "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants, should focus on the security of his city and the number of murders there.

"The murderers and others that are here illegally - they need to leave this country," Mr. McCarthy said Tuesday on "Fox & Friends."

Kevin McCarthy: We're already laying groundwork for border wall legislation - Washington Times

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Amazed so many humans are acting worse than animals in the streets and planning worse than animals in nature

Agreed. The alt-lefties are disgusting beings.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by plaster

Add 20 trillion to debt instead of 10?

It's odd how quickly we forget where we were in 2008 when Obama was elected. It's not like Obama started off with a clean slate and a good economy; Things couldn't have been more worse. Obama got our economy stable again - people aren't losing jobs and their houses - and our economy is growing while unemployment remains less than 5%.

Let's see where we stand in four or eight years after Trump. Let's see where out debt is then.

[plaster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's odd how quickly we forget where we were in 2008 when Obama was elected. It's not like Obama started off with a clean slate and a good economy; Things couldn't have been more worse. Obama got our economy stable again - people aren't losing jobs and their houses - and our economy is growing while unemployment remains less than 5%.

Let's see where we stand in four or eight years after Trump. Let's see where out debt is then.

I'm sorry but wat? Go drive around and look at the weeds growing out of the concrete barriers and tell yourself we are thriving...

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

until you realize Obama increased our debt by $10 Trillion.

$10 billion for the Great Wall of Trump is a bargain in comparison and it would be built with American steel, American concrete and American workers

Fuck me you are stupid.

But dont worry for his next trick your new emperor is going to make wine into water and feed the five thousand lobbyists.

American workers you say - funny that because I can guarantee you that every single large infrastructure project like this, bar none ever, has one thing in common :

MIGRANT FUCKING LABOUR !

[noshit]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's odd how quickly we forget where we were in 2008 when Obama was elected. It's not like Obama started off with a clean slate and a good economy; Things couldn't have been more worse. Obama got our economy stable again - people aren't losing jobs and their houses - and our economy is growing while unemployment remains less than 5%.

Let's see where we stand in four or eight years after Trump. Let's see where out debt is then.

Hallelujah! Praise Kek!

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[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

^^ Fence ^^

We're already seeing some fanatic Trump supporters trying to distort reality to support Trumps backpedaling

whether it's a border fence or a border wall the function is 100% identical, genius you guys are really, really reaching now

[Relic]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Why keep posting this women

[Relic]

Originally Posted by noshit

Hallelujah! Praise Kek!

[Barry-xlovecam]

I can't wait until they start costing this out in Congress

How big are the tunnels and who builds them?

They can stretch as far as 1,800 feet long but are narrow, DiMeglio said. They?re usually about 60 feet below ground and are generally in the 3-foot-by-4-foot range. DiMeglio once found a tunnel that was only 22 inches wide.

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels - LA Times

[klinton]

most of the Trump supporters are too stupid/ blind/ fanatic to realize it.
Just like they dont realize that maybe they didnt elected lesser evil from 2 evils... you never know.
Obama was also hope, and buddy of everyone, yet at the end he was only the buddy of rich oligarchs from banks and military industrial complex.
I wonder whose buddy will be Trump... maybe noone ? maybe he will make richer ony himself and his family ? Like a dictator in some banana republic ?
Hitler was also a hope for a crisis- drenched Germany in 30's.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_P...foreign_policy
love all these european useful idiots loving Trump

Originally Posted by NewNick

Fuck me you are stupid.

But dont worry for his next trick your new emperor is going to make wine into water and feed the five thousand lobbyists.

American workers you say - funny that because I can guarantee you that every single large infrastructure project like this, bar none ever, has one thing in common :

MIGRANT FUCKING LABOUR !

[cocksucker mcgee]

Originally Posted by smack dat

:321gfy

lollololol!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Relic

Natalie's going to post what I really am

[Relic]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

That's nice, whore.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

He's very petty. He follows us around in every thread, every day, and does nothing but drive by insults, then thinks we won't tell people not to work with him when those threads come up. He has serious self esteem issues. Never even met with or heard of the guy he just shows up out of nowhere insulting every day in every thread fucking creepy stalker.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

until you realize Obama increased our debt by $10 Trillion.

$10 billion for the Great Wall of Trump is a bargain in comparison and it would be built with American steel, American concrete and American workers

Why do you care what it cost. According to Trump, Mexico is paying for it.. Unless it's another lie like Bush's Iraq war being paid for by their oil money

[DBS.US]

I don't see the big problem, America could build this wall pretty fast.

[plaster]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Fuck me you are stupid.

But dont worry for his next trick your new emperor is going to make wine into water and feed the five thousand lobbyists.

American workers you say - funny that because I can guarantee you that every single large infrastructure project like this, bar none ever, has one thing in common :

MIGRANT FUCKING LABOUR !

Water into wine is the saying

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just imagine what Obama would have done if he didn't take on that recession left over from the last administration.....

oh wait!! he is the last administration lol!!