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Sly_RJ · 03-20-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Not everyone has the opportunity to build wealth in the USA.

I disagree.

I know people who have been through absolute shit. Have had absolutely nothing to work with and they still found a way to come out on top. All through hard work.

I consider myself one of them.

I know many people who are in unfortunate situations. The answer to a better life/situation is always quite clear, but they fail to take advantage of it.

Anyone can succeed as long as they are willing to put forth the effort.

iroc409 · 03-20-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by nofx

no, i'm not an anarchist but i do share a few of the same views.
"the best government is the one that govern's least" Thoreu

shit, read the fucking site. i wouldn't have anything to do with these people. they're anarchists, communists, and honestly sound outright dangerous to the community. they encourage violence.

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RACUN is an anarchist community organization dedicated to radical community empowerment and self defense.

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We seek to create a society in which individuals can freely co-operate together as equals without political, economic or social top-down governing structures. To create a society free from sexism, homophobia, racism, class and state so the fullest measure of individual liberty and equality may prevail. We seek to establish self-organized, decentralized committees within the community as a political base for direct action, education, and self defense. Our goal is not reform the system. Our goal is revolution, to get rid of the system. Not only do we want to put an end to police brutality, but we want to remove the occupying police forces from our communities at once. Not only do we want an end to worker exploitation, but we want to completely remove corporations, and the entire class state from our communities at once. Through education, and direct action, our communities can become self-sufficient where we no longer have to rely on the current economic or political system as a way of life.

Sly_RJ · 03-20-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Not everyone has the opportunity to build wealth in the USA.

Some of the most successful people were born into shitty situations. No money. No education. No tools.

Yet they found a way to reach the top. How? Hard work.

Abraham Lincoln, Dave Thomas, Adolf Hitler, etc.

cluck · 03-20-2003, 04:19 PM

So if you're a self made man who started with nothing, are you pissed that you had to start with nothing while those born into better conditions have it that much easier?

My point is that what we get out of life isn't based on how hard we work. Sure that's part of it, but who do you think is working harder, the CEO who got the job becuase his daddy was the CEO before him, or the people who bust their ass working 16 hour days for the same company?

eRock · 03-20-2003, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Not everyone has the opportunity to build wealth in the USA.

Oh, I beg to differ. If you're uneducated, unmotivated, unwilling & lazy, and think you deserve something just cuz you're breathing...then yes, you don't have much goin' for you. And even now, there are SOOO many programs fpor even those people to give them opportunity, so don't use the whole "Rich people take advantage of the poor", cuz that isn't 100% true. Don't get me wrong...there are some rich pricks out there. But there are also plenty of people that had nothing growing up & are now loaded.

eRock · 03-20-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
So if you're a self made man who started with nothing, are you pissed that you had to start with nothing while those born into better conditions have it that much easier?

My point is that what we get out of life isn't based on how hard we work. Sure that's part of it, but who do you think is working harder, the CEO who got the job becuase his daddy was the CEO before him, or the people who bust their ass working 16 hour days for the same company?

Life isn't fair, my friend...learn to deal w/ it.

nofx · 03-20-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Some of the most successful people were born into shitty situations. No money. No education. No tools.

Yet they found a way to reach the top. How? Hard work.

Abraham Lincoln, Dave Thomas, Adolf Hitler, etc.

hitler was hated world wide for his "hard work" how was he born into a shitty situation? Also, i believe hitler was a well educated man.

cluck · 03-20-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Some of the most successful people were born into shitty situations. No money. No education. No tools.

Yet they found a way to reach the top. How? Hard work.

Abraham Lincoln, Dave Thomas, Adolf Hitler, etc.

There are some exceptions. Of course it was alot easier way back than it is now. The gap between the rich and the poor is so huge now that it's almost impossible to live in the hood without being in debt to a white person. People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they end up renting it from an upper class opportunist who knows they'll pay top dollar for anything, even if it ends up costing 5x the price in the long run.

Sly_RJ · 03-20-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by nofx

hitler was hated world wide for his "hard work" how was he born into a shitty situation? Also, i believe hitler was a well educated man.

You obviously know nothing about Hitler. His childhood was about as fucked up as they get.

XXXManager · 03-20-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by sexyclicks

HEY!

Thats not fair what you did there!

Sly_RJ · 03-20-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
So if you're a self made man who started with nothing, are you pissed that you had to start with nothing while those born into better conditions have it that much easier?

My point is that what we get out of life isn't based on how hard we work. Sure that's part of it, but who do you think is working harder, the CEO who got the job becuase his daddy was the CEO before him, or the people who bust their ass working 16 hour days for the same company?

Who cares?

You go on and spend your days being jealous of those that I aspire to be.

Am I pissed off because Bob got his good job from daddy? Fuck no. I worry about my money, not Bob's money. If I was daddy, you can bet your ass I would offer my kid a good job.

Wouldn't you?

FATPad · 03-20-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

There are some exceptions. Of course it was alot easier way back than it is now. The gap between the rich and the poor is so huge now that it's almost impossible to live in the hood without being in debt to a white person. People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they end up renting it from an upper class opportunist who knows they'll pay top dollar for anything, even if it ends up costing 5x the price in the long run.

People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they pay 5x what it's worth?

What are you talking about? That makes zero sense.

Nismo · 03-20-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by nofx

hitler was hated world wide for his "hard work" how was he born into a shitty situation? Also, i believe hitler was a well educated man.

hitler did very poorly in school. but, he did alot of good to germany before going ape shit.

directfiesta · 03-20-2003, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they pay 5x what it's worth?

What are you talking about? That makes zero sense.

PAWNSHOPS !

Nismo · 03-20-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

There are some exceptions. Of course it was alot easier way back than it is now. The gap between the rich and the poor is so huge now that it's almost impossible to live in the hood without being in debt to a white person. People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they end up renting it from an upper class opportunist who knows they'll pay top dollar for anything, even if it ends up costing 5x the price in the long run.

some exceptions? you mean the exception of a hardworker? shit man, i come from absolute poverty. LOL now im in the porn business (which is paying for my college education) and making like 5x a week what my mother makes and im only 20. i look at all the slackers who i grew up with and they still work at the fucking grocery store complaining about money. fuck that, do something about your financial existence. this is america; millionaires are made here daily.

NetRodent · 03-20-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
So if you're a self made man who started with nothing, are you pissed that you had to start with nothing while those born into better conditions have it that much easier?

My point is that what we get out of life isn't based on how hard we work. Sure that's part of it, but who do you think is working harder, the CEO who got the job becuase his daddy was the CEO before him, or the people who bust their ass working 16 hour days for the same company?

That's true, to a point. However, wealth is a vague measure of how much someone contributes to society, regardless of how much actual sweat they put into it.

For example, if you need to move to a new house or apartment and you have a choice of hiring two companies. The first company owns a truck and has dollys and hydraulic lifts. The second company is just to guys in comfortable shoes. Clearly the second company would have to work much harder than the first to move you to your new place. Should you be willing to pay the second company more, just because they worked harder? Should you pay according to the results?

eRock · 03-20-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

There are some exceptions. Of course it was alot easier way back than it is now. The gap between the rich and the poor is so huge now that it's almost impossible to live in the hood without being in debt to a white person. People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they end up renting it from an upper class opportunist who knows they'll pay top dollar for anything, even if it ends up costing 5x the price in the long run.

What are you talking about!? The poor or poorer have WAY more opportunities now days then ever! Non-whites get breaks on college tuition, housing, jobs...the list goes on. If you don't take advantage of that then it's your own damn fault. Don't try & blame whitey cuz yo're too lazy...

cluck · 03-20-2003, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
People don't have credit and they can't afford necessities so they pay 5x what it's worth?

What are you talking about? That makes zero sense.

Obviously you don't know anyone in the ghetto. What happens is basically the people there can't afford things such as furniture. A big business there is places where you can rent all that stuff. It costs ALOT but it's the only option so people will pay it. Over the time they rent it they usually shell out more than what the product would cost new, but they never have enough at one time to actually buy it.

Nismo · 03-20-2003, 04:40 PM

man wtf are you talking about? in the ghetto, people steal furniture.

FATPad · 03-20-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Obviously you don't know anyone in the ghetto. What happens is basically the people there can't afford things such as furniture. A big business there is places where you can rent all that stuff. It costs ALOT but it's the only option so people will pay it. Over the time they rent it they usually shell out more than what the product would cost new, but they never have enough at one time to actually buy it.

So stop renting so much furniture, save some money, and buy a couch?

Sly_RJ · 03-20-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Obviously you don't know anyone in the ghetto. What happens is basically the people there can't afford things such as furniture. A big business there is places where you can rent all that stuff. It costs ALOT but it's the only option so people will pay it. Over the time they rent it they usually shell out more than what the product would cost new, but they never have enough at one time to actually buy it.

Why you blame businesses for consumers lack of economic responsibility is beyond me.

NetRodent · 03-20-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Obviously you don't know anyone in the ghetto. What happens is basically the people there can't afford things such as furniture. A big business there is places where you can rent all that stuff. It costs ALOT but it's the only option so people will pay it. Over the time they rent it they usually shell out more than what the product would cost new, but they never have enough at one time to actually buy it.

Are you just talking about necessities like stoves? Or are you including luxury items like tv's, dvd players, recliners, etc?

cluck · 03-20-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
So stop renting so much furniture, save some money, and buy a couch?

It's more things like refrigerators and ovens, the things you need to keep food fresh and whatnot. If you can't cook your own food you end up having to eat out, which costs more. Basically, fucked.

cluck · 03-20-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent

Are you just talking about necessities like stoves? Or are you including luxury items like tv's, dvd players, recliners, etc?

Nah I think anyone who has to rent a DVD player should just face the reality that they can't afford one and save some goddamn money.

FATPad · 03-20-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

It's more things like refrigerators and ovens, the things you need to keep food fresh and whatnot. If you can't cook your own food you end up having to eat out, which costs more. Basically, fucked.

I've lived in some pretty crappy places.

They all had stoves and refrigerators.

But assuming you're right, would you rather there was no one there to rent these people refrigerators and stoves?

Nismo · 03-20-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Nah I think anyone who has to rent a DVD player should just face the reality that they can't afford one and save some goddamn money.

so, what you're saying is that these rent-to-own places are an investors dream.

i grew up in shitty apt's and every single one of them had a stove, oven, fridge, and had the option of furniture.

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