ChrisH

Yes. After 12 long years of embargos, sanctions, smart sanctions, missle raids, and failed diplomacy it is now time to take out the cause of this damn thing.

Ace-Ace

Yep, this guy is the exact reason I've stopped reading this board. It's turned from an adult board, with some BS to randomly talk about to an anti-America conspiracist forum. Not even worth the trouble to respond to every moron that posts like this.

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FATPad

yea... ?

I don't understand what sort of point this is.

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mika

Seems like youre badly addicted then..

You know, I stopped smoking yesterday. Well, gotta go for a smoke, bye

theking

Saddam would not allow the inspectors to do their job. Their "job" from 1991 to 1998 was to oversee the destruction of proscribed weapons, not to play detective and find the proscribed weapons.

Saddam would not allow the inspectors to do their job after resolution 1441, for once again the inspectors "job" was to oversee the destruction of proscribed weapons, not to play detective and find proscribed weapons.

It is Iraq that admitted to having proscribed weapons and the terms of the 1991 cease fire required Saddam to present the proscribed weapons to the inspectors to oversee their destruction. When the inspectors left in 1998 there were still tons of chemical and liters of biological materials undestroyed. Resoultion 1441 required Iraq to produce these materials for the inspectors to oversee their destruction. Iraq did not do this, but instead claimed that they had destroyed them, but failed to produce documentation of the destruction and claimed they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the proscribed materials. Even if one were to accept this ridiculous claim there would be physical evidence of the destruction of the proscribed materials. They failed to produce the physical proof of the destruction of the proscribed materials. They failed to produce the scientists and other personell that participated in the destruction of the proscribed materials.

Not only did the USA know that these proscribed weapons existed but most of the world knew that they existed and Iraq has to this day not presented one iota of proof that they have been destroyed, other than the claim that they have destroyed them.

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ChrisH

What's really scary is I think they believe what they say

mika

USA couldn't wait for 3 more months as I recall inspectors + the rest of the UN security council suggesting

And theking, whatever, have you heard what Hans Blix has said as his final words? Probably not, too busy reading US propaganda at the moment

ChrisH

Hans Blix made his final report today, and infact reiterated that Iraq had not fully complied. What part of Hans Blix' report do you not believe.

Blix is the ultimate nice guy. Every thing is great according to him. Which is fine, however he cannot even say that Iraq has complied with inspectors.

And for the 3 months. Why not 3 years, how about we give him 3 scores. WTF.... How long does he deserve? South Africa disarmed in a few months. This idiot has been fucking over the inspectors for 12 long years and you want to give him three more months.

theking

Yes I did and bottom line of what he said, was Iraq did not comply, in substance, but seemed to be complying in process, and 1441 called for substance and not process.

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mika

Well, as I said, USA is absolutely right here, thanks to its Great Leader

ChrisH

Avoid the facts. That always works.

galleryseek

man, theking just owned you. :\

Turboface

Who's your leader over there in Finland?

Nobody knows, because nobody cares.

Do all people from Finland have big heads and big mouths, or is it just you?

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mika

If they are facts, then why didn't the majority of UN security council say 'yes' to war?

Maybe it's not as clear as you BELIEVE it is..

But really, I don't have time to fight the usual American arguments here..

You think what you want.
All I'm saying that IMHO there was a lot room for more diplomacy.. If that wasn't even wanted, fine!

mika

I'm not a spokesman for Finnish people, unlike all of you Americans who seem to act as spokesmen for your fellow citizens.

Turboface

Well, you claim to be the expert.

We're all just replying to your anti-American ramblings.

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mika

And I congratulate you, Turboface, for being a real contribution to that cause

Turboface

I'm not quite sure what you mean, so I'll just say, Fuck You.

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ChrisH

More diplomacy yeah we should have given him 24 years not 12. You're too funny man.

The UN didn't act. Does that surprise you? No action in Rawanda, no action in Bosnia. It's the UN way. It's called appeasment, exactly what they did to Hitler and we all know how that turned out don't we.

Why did France take there position? http://www.lexnotes.com/misc/jacques_iraq.htm They have been appeasing Saddam for years. If it was up to France Kuwait would still be annexed by Iraq.