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Now if you think Fellucia Blow is not the same quality as X-Art then you are fucking high and this is where I stop communicating with you. Mutt was NOT asking how much the big boys make, he was asking what he could reasonably expect if starting a paysite in 2015. Am I wrong there? OVER and over I stated there are several teirs of paysites. JT's sites nd Brazzers et al are NOT your average everyday hardcore site. I never said I was a big company, in fact the opposite, but I never said I am a one-man show, either. How many employees does Mutt have, BTW? So you think my sites are shit, think I have no traffic and no members and do not know anything. OK - so we are done here because that is idiotic thinking tho you are entitled to it. OVER and over again I asked HOW MUCH to start this paysite? Did Mutt (or ANYONE) say $200K to shoot content? IS Mutt going to spend $200K to shoot content? IF so then he could do what JT or Brazzers does, IF not then my projections stand. Oh - and many, many paysites (good ones that make $$$) start with a buget of 20K. So again, we're done. |
felluciablowhd.com Site Overview is it launched?
But yes it is high quality content, that one i would say is. But the question wasn't whether high quality content should make you successful, if there is other massive problems, then obviously it wont be capable of becoming big. Thats why the question was , whats a big new site capable of doing, with high quality content. You have high quality content on one site, but there are other issues, if there wasn't, that site would be much much bigger Im making assumptions based on evidence, much evidence. that site is very small. |
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By WHAT MUTT WROTE - not what someone else has interpreted FOR Mutt - I stand by my posts. We have NO other info here (costs, traffic, etc) to go on and assuming Mutt meant this or thatis fucking retarded. What is "reasonable"? Wow, that depends doesn't it? On perspective? Is 20K or 200K or 2MILLION "reasonable"? Mutt began this thread with fluffy questions and now, because I answer them FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I get shit? Thanks but no thanks. Where is Mutt? |
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So now we can assume (because that's what you are implying, right? ) that a budget for OP isn't the issue...and we can try to figure out the big boys numbers to know what to expect... |
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The question was, what should a high quality site make in 2015, obviously one that was run by competent marketers and an average budget, 20k for a site is not close to average. somebody couldn't pay me enough money to launch a site if the budget was 20k |
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I just posted Mutt's original question and it was not 'a big new site'. Mutt never mentioned size. Jesus Christ man. Is it launched? YES. Is it making $$$? YES. Evidence LMAO. All those sites I posted have quality content, everything on Eleganxia (Erotic Revenue) does. Go away now. |
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thats why ive repeated 10x, assume everything average. 20k is not average, maybe for a gfyer on his typical project. but not a high quality project |
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Wow. You fucking jump on me when I ask for basic numbers (like content budget, traffic budget, etc) and point out the different levels of investment by saying my shit sucks. LOL I NEVER said my sites were the equal of whomever you bring up. What is wrong with you dude? Want me to pick apart YOUR shitty solo girls sites? |
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If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later? Then the only correct answer would be: depends on budget. There is more to succes then only HQ hardcore exclusive content so there must be more added to know what to expect. How can we assume that there is 200k-1 million to invest? HQ quality content was the only variable |
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When somebody said , depends on budget. i told people what he was wanting to know, which is what top successful sites should make if ran properly. i gave examples of sites that are succeeding these days on the scale mutt is wondering about. which should give you a ballpark budget. but people still acted as if nothing was said, and you dont know if the budget is 0 or 2 million. is blacked, fake taxi, wowgirls, spending 0 or 2 million, no. so dont act as if that could be possible. |
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like i said, dont agree? prove me wrong, should be easy to show me one site. it detects any site over 25k daily~ daily in the graph. and any site with over 5-10k daily of traffic should have a ranking of better than 500,000. obviously just rough estimates but yours is so far under these estimates that i can be 99.9 percent confident. but is there a .1 chance im wrong, yes. i would actually like to be proved wrong. i dont like having incorrect information Ill have fun and throw out a guess of what kind of traffic it gets, i'd say, under 8,000 a day? am i wrong? You posted mutt's original question, and now post my posts following it, that clarified what information he was seeking. So like ive said 10x, stop reading the original post only and gathering your own opinion of what he was wondering. |
1. Start a fucking thread YOURSELF and be more fucking specific THERE.
2. Content is one variable. 200K, great. NOW what? What is the ad budget for Reality Kings? Or X-Art or Wow or Twistys. Fucking pick one. Why the fuck do you think Brazzers or Bangbros hasn't chimed in here and said "We have x # of Members etc"? THAT is what you are really asking, isn't it? Wow, great communication skills dude. You could have asked all those things (in your own thread) without attacking me or my sites (and getting everything completely wrong). And I'M the one with 'massive problems'. LOL BTW: Did YOU spend more than 20K to start Autumn Riley or one of your solo sites? Just curious since you scoff at 20K. |
simple question, no? how many members do top existing hardcore paysites have in this day and age?
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You can name the top ten but can you name the top ten that crashed and burned on similar themes? Execution is the key. |
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People asked budget, i answered that. Why start my own thread when the OP made for US? Solo girls take the smallest investments in the whole industry? We are speaking about high quality hardcore. 20k is fine for solo, 20k is alot for tgps and 20k is nothing for a high quality hardcore project. i think that answers that. Why hasn't brazzers or anyone big chimed in? Because they dont share personal information. Thats a silly question. He was hoping for somebody with loose lips that might know of numbers, which hes already stated. And he was also wondering what you guys thought they made. basically. |
To answer your question: I never said ANY of my sites could rank in terms of traffic or ad buys so comparing Brazzers to Fellucia Blow is retarded. Her site gets around 10-12 visitors a day BUT it is all 'organic', meaning no ad buys or bought traffic. Plus the conversion ratio is very high. It is actually a niche site (CFNM) so her numbers are outstanding.
Same with ErosExotica and several others. Look man, there are only two ways to "make it" with any kind of online business. Either have one MASSIVE site or many, many sites. It's easier to do the latter, at least for me, which is why I run 3 networks. LOL Again, start your own thread. I have this nasty habit of responding to the OP. |
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To avoid silly discussions like this one. :) |
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Your site and network is fine, and its all good and you are a really good webmaster. Dont take me saying that your sites dont have "high quality content' combined with competent marketing as bashing. Its impossible for you to, you ahven't invested that much or that much time into a single site, from what i know. Everybody has a different business model. Yours is great. Its just not on the scale of the sites we're talking about, since we're talking about a single site as a focus and its capabilities |
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Anyway, now that its clearer, what do you think a hardcore site with high quality content, competent marketing and a good sized budget (similar to other successful sites) can get in terms of members, in 2015? After the one year mark. Or well, a reachable goal
.. and i guess the site being your only focus LOL that better, he should have edited his post to say that. since people were trying to be all smartass and say, well is he investing a quarter. LOL |
Maybe you guys should just call each other and discuss this
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Call us smartasses all you want... but the fact is that we saw too many smartasses on this board going to "launch a program" with 5K to invest... "what camera should i buy?" |
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If you were starting a solo site, and wanted to know profit margins, member base expectations, etc - you could only find that out in threads identical to this, that ive been involved with. Already in this thread, we have discussed costs of scenes, mentioned successful sites, what you need for an investment in solo, what you need for hardcore, if you want to compete with the large scale sites, etc theres information to be had from any conversation about the business, no matter how annoying the bickering can be. and you want us to take it private to go back to the posts about poo and black people? Also i like having evidence of what people say to refer back to later. |
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Example 1:450 versus 1:900. Now having said that, I would be super interested to be proven wrong... I jsut know I wouldn't be. |
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Now if somebody asked you, what can i expect out of hardcore if i were to enter hardcore with a good budget and high quality content. Would i say its worlds apart, how deep is the rabbit hole?, thats an impossible question? No. Would you say that? I dont think so. I would say, well i'd say, expect 1500-2000+. Or maybe not expect, but , thats a realistic goal Like i said, i can answer this question if it were solo, easily. Me and mutt have projected for people often. However, you guys say its impossible for hardcore for some reason. |
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So... exactly... since that is finally cleared, maybe someone who knows will post... |
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The thing about the Internet is no one can ever really tell what another website does, costs, etc. We can guesstimate but that's about it. Besides, who says all those thousands of "members" are legitimate (if we're talking in the millions in revenue). But that is another topic shhh. LOL
All I can say is this: If you wanted to start a paysite in 2015 and compete with the top paysites out there, and had enough of a budget, you could do so. But that isn't saying much. Why? Because if you wanted to start a tube site in 2015 and wanted to compete with Pornhub, XHamster et al, regardless of budget you would have a tough time doing it. Paysites create content, which is why they are vital to this Industry. But which has more revenue (big tubes or big paysites) and which is an easier goal to achieve in 2015? I say paysites are more achieveable but it takes a lot of coin to get to the top status, and the profit margins must have shrunk from their high of 5-7 years ago. So it's all relative, as they say. |
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Anyone can drop a name of a site; claming or assuming he can achieve that... drop a budget... so we know what you're talking about... took you one day to drop a budget... was it so difficult? |
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Why do you think most adult companies in similar markets have been around the same size? THeres only sooo many paying subscribers out there, theres only so many marketing avenues, theres only so many available ad spots. There is a certain level of investment that is required to enter hardcore to compete with the big guys, then there are people who want a bigger cushion and to shoot more scenes, or want to increase revenues 50 percent, so they spend another 500k. but the grand scheem of things, they are still all in the same ballpark It sounds as if people in this thread are saying 100k can get you 500 members, 500k can get you 10,000 members and a million can get you 50,000 members Thats not the way it is though, you can spend a fortune more , doesn't mean the results improve a ton. Sometimes to get to a certain level is easy, and to get past that, costs a fortune. That is the case in adult. So when you say, whats the budget, i say 200k-million because its not even that different to be honest. These guys with a million aint going to be 5x bigger than the guy who spends 200k. Sometimes people also spend more money to make up for lack of marketing knowledge, or like i said before, to improve 10-150 percent With all that said, i dont think any of the big sites are worlds apart and giving an estimation of member bases isn't as hard as you guys think, not for people who have ANY inside knowledge, whether thats from working for a company or having your own in the same market. Which is what he stated he was seeking information from. Though i do think with enough research, even a person who isn't involved , could give a rough estimate of member bases based on public traffic information, tube exposure, google trends, torrent site download totals , using a rough estimate of conversion ratio, etc |
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