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antigravityboy · 03-13-2003, 04:25 AM

Just got this email from them hot off the press.
Glad I quit using them a long time ago.

We are writing to inform you that PayPal has modified its Acceptable Use Policy. As of May 12, 2003, PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products.

After a careful review of the financial factors relating to the processing of adult transactions, we concluded that this change was the best course of action for our business.

We understand that payment processing is a critical component of any business, and hope that this two-month notice will provide you with sufficient time to transition to an alternate payment system.

Summary of the New Policy

Under the terms of the Acceptable Use Policy, effective May 12, 2003, PayPal will no longer allow accounts to send or receive payments for adult content or products that are not sold through the Mature Audiences section of eBay's website. PayPal will continue to process payments for eBay-hosted items that are in compliance with eBay's listing requirements and restrictions because eBay listings are easier to monitor than website-based transactions. Click here to read the full terms of the Acceptable Use Policy.

You may keep your PayPal account open after May 12, 2003, on a good faith basis. Your transaction history will still be viewable online, and you may continue to withdraw funds under your current account guidelines. Reserves for accounts with rolling reserves will continue to operate, with reserves ending 180 days after the receipt of the last transaction. Because you are not being required to close your PayPal account, your account access may be limited if it is determined that your account activity violates PayPal's new policy on adult content.

PayPal customers affected by the new policy who paid the Visa, MasterCard High Risk registration fee will have their registration fee refunded. The fee will be refunded no later than June 13, 2003.

Thank You for Your Business

We apologize for any inconvenience this change will cause to you, and would like to thank you for your business.

If you have any questions about the Acceptable Use Policy, please feel free to contact your account manager.

Sincerely,

The PayPal Team

m0rph3us · 03-13-2003, 04:28 AM

hmmm

can you post a link to their new accepable usage policy? it says it in the post but there's no link.

antigravityboy · 03-13-2003, 04:30 AM

I wonder if this goes so far as to mean that I cannot pay for my webhost because they host porn sites or services like Choker and other like that.
If I was a webhost accepting paypal and hosted adult sites I would be leary of them freezing my accounts. Just my

Kimmykim · 03-13-2003, 04:30 AM

Interesting, tho not surprising.

antigravityboy · 03-13-2003, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
hmmm

can you post a link to their new accepable usage policy? it says it in the post but there's no link.

Ask and ye shall receive
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr..._frame-outside

antigravityboy · 03-13-2003, 04:33 AM

Here is the specific link for mature audiences in their AUP policy
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...side&ed=mature

Loch · 03-13-2003, 04:33 AM

I just got that mail as well, fucking morons

Loch · 03-13-2003, 04:35 AM

Another thousand wm´s will bite the dust on this one for sure.

Brown Bear · 03-13-2003, 04:37 AM

Not all webhosts are specifically adult.

I think they're talking about adult paysites that have recurring transactions through PayPal.

antigravityboy · 03-13-2003, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loch
Another thousand wm´s will bite the dust on this one for sure.

I imagine it will have quite a ripple effect.

Brown Bear · 03-13-2003, 04:39 AM

Bow to the power of -----> A S H C R O F T

Dveron · 03-13-2003, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by antigravityboy

I imagine it will have quite a ripple effect.

yup

Joe Sixpack · 03-13-2003, 04:40 AM

Damn! Check this out!

"You may not use PayPal to sell humans, the human body, or any human body parts. "

What? Fucking ruin my plans will you!

PAYPAL!

ServerGenius · 03-13-2003, 04:40 AM

What about affiliate programs that pay out their webmaster
through paypal?

DynaMite

Kimmykim · 03-13-2003, 04:40 AM

Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

m0rph3us · 03-13-2003, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

IPO anytime soon

?
Looks like epassporte is about to blow up

ServerGenius · 03-13-2003, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

Damn you beat me to it.....I was about to say Epassport is having
a little party right now

DynaMite

Loch · 03-13-2003, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

And wtf is that then??

Theo · 03-13-2003, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Damn! Check this out!

"You may not use PayPal to sell humans, the human body, or any human body parts. "

What? Fucking ruin my plans will you!

PAYPAL!

lol

realed · 03-13-2003, 04:47 AM

I really don't think this applies to adult websites. If you read the summary it only mentions adult products via ebay.

I think we will need some clarification on this.

Regardless it's no great loss. Seems funny that only 6 months ago all the big adult webmasters received emails from account managers at paypal asking us to use paypal for adult web transactions and now they appear not to want our business?

Strange...

Terry
www.projectvoyeur.com

Mark · 03-13-2003, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

Would it be really bitchy of me to ask how many months I need to wait for a response to my questions sent to epassporte about commercial accounts? I know I could perhaps dig up a phone number and give them a call but I'm a great believer in a little thing called the internet and email and its hard to trust an internet company that doesn't seem to use the internet..

HardProfits · 03-13-2003, 04:53 AM

just sent an email to my contact at PayPal asking for clarification, and I recommend everyone else do the same till we get an answer

Having any IPSP make a descision to turn its back on our industry is a further nail in our mutual coffins

m0rph3us · 03-13-2003, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by realed
I really don't think this applies to adult websites. If you read the summary it only mentions adult products via ebay.

I think we will need some clarification on this.

Regardless it's no great loss. Seems funny that only 6 months ago all the big adult webmasters received emails from account managers at paypal asking us to use paypal for adult web transactions and now they appear not to want our business?

Strange...

Terry
www.projectvoyeur.com

Didn't paypal attend the last Phoenix Forum? Are they attending this year?

m0rph3us · 03-13-2003, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark

Would it be really bitchy of me to ask how many months I need to wait for a response to my questions sent to epassporte about commercial accounts? I know I could perhaps dig up a phone number and give them a call but I'm a great believer in a little thing called the internet and email and its hard to trust an internet company that doesn't seem to use the internet..

yes please have someone answer those emails. I mailed twice and no response.

Paul Markham · 03-13-2003, 04:57 AM

I will have to phone them and ask if I'm included.

We are listed as business to business, but I'm in the process of getting a merchant account, so for the content store it's no problema and I would not have used them for a paysite.

Can't be because of ChargeBacks, auctions are the worse sector of the market for that.

Loch · 03-13-2003, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
I will have to phone them and ask if I'm included.

We are listed as business to business, but I'm in the process of getting a merchant account, so for the content store it's no problema and I would not have used them for a paysite.

Can't be because of ChargeBacks, auctions are the worse sector of the market for that.

Who are you setting up with ?
For payment i meen....

Danielle · 03-13-2003, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by realed
I really don't think this applies to adult websites. If you read the summary it only mentions adult products via ebay.

Hmmmmm.... It is quite clear.....

Unless you are completing a transaction on the eBay Mature Audiences site, you may not use PayPal to sell or purchase "adult" or "sexually oriented" material.

That says NO ADULT CRAP UNLESS IT IS SOLD ON EBAY!

Here is the full text to the new crap....

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...side&ed=mature

Hugs,
Danielle

Jay_StandAhead · 03-13-2003, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Would it be really bitchy of me to mention epassporte.com and then run off to bed?

I don't think it would. Go ahead

Paul Markham · 03-13-2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loch

Who are you setting up with ?
For payment i meen....

Am still looking around.

KittyLiXX · 03-13-2003, 05:34 AM

Hi -

Well , Paypal rains on the KittyLiXX parade!

Since KittyLiXX is also an adult seller on Ebay ( I haven't received the email yet) ... what service do you guys recommend I use? Is there one out there that is comparable that we should be signing up for?

I also accept Paypal on my retail site www.kittylixx.com for adult products. I will have to read the fine print closely .

I take MC and Visa already but I find most of my ebay buyers are Paypal Centric ....

Funny thing about this rule w/ eBAY - - I can sell a make it Big Penis pump under massage products other - - and take paypal no prob.

I can offer the same product under adult and not be able take Paypal .

I also sell sexy hard to find panties and stockings under adult - Now I can't take Paypal for clothing ? Frigging stooges! All of us trying to make a living !

Any recomendations for a new service welcome -

notjoe · 03-13-2003, 05:37 AM

I wonder if you can still sell adult DVDS or if they see a DVD as a DVD regardless of what the content on the DVD actually is.

I think a lot of content providers might get screwed in this one..

Loch · 03-13-2003, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe
I think a lot of content providers might get screwed in this one..

Wouldent use the word screwed as most already have or are in the process of setting up other meens of payment...
Will severely hurt the really small providers though (I think)

gothweb · 03-13-2003, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by realed
eems funny that only 6 months ago all the big adult webmasters received emails from account managers at paypal asking us to use paypal for adult web transactions and now they appear not to want our business?

Not just the big ones. They contacted *me* a few times, too... Must have been a pretty big push to recruit adult paysites.

The Almighty Glands · 03-13-2003, 05:50 AM

This only makes logical sense.

Even though EBAY is a great place to sell your junk, their business practices suck. They act as if they are a monopoly (like bell Canada) and I suppose they are in a way.

Since they now own PayPal this was only the next logical step.

notjoe · 03-13-2003, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loch

Wouldent use the word screwed as most already have or are in the process of setting up other meens of payment...
Will severely hurt the really small providers though (I think)

People will need to go get a real shopping cart now

Loch · 03-13-2003, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe

People will need to go get a real shopping cart now

Not just that, but also the fees for setting up...
Might be to much for some of the providers with just 10-50 sets

CharlieBrown · 03-13-2003, 06:01 AM

screw paypal

Brown Bear · 03-13-2003, 06:04 AM

Wow, that sucks for content providers.

Loch · 03-13-2003, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear
Wow, that sucks for content providers.

Not at all

Brown Bear · 03-13-2003, 06:08 AM

This is another reason for people to use www.epassporte.com

Affilate programs and CC processors could payout to epassporte and content providers could receive payment this way.

GO EPASSPORTE!

SGS · 03-13-2003, 06:14 AM

I dont use PayPal but still got the email. I think this part here:

PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products

Makes their intentions perfectly clear.

Bigwebmaster · 03-13-2003, 06:24 AM

This bites.

NoCarrier · 03-13-2003, 06:36 AM

And what will happen to the people who paid 1500$?

LOL!

Loch · 03-13-2003, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
And what will happen to the people who paid 1500$?

LOL!

They will have their money refounded by June at the latest.

hitman699 · 03-13-2003, 06:45 AM

I never paid the fees but kept using them for adult anyway...
I figured not taking adult would be next anyway with ebay buying them.. They said they will refund the fees at some point.

----------------------------
And what will happen to the people who paid 1500$?

LOL!

----------------------------

EscortBiz · 03-13-2003, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
And what will happen to the people who paid 1500$?

LOL!

Fuck the 1500 watch and see how many posts you will have in the next few days "PayPal Frooze my account"

jimmyf · 03-13-2003, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

Fuck the 1500 watch and see how many posts you will have in the next few days "PayPal Frooze my account"

you got it right

Brown Bear · 03-13-2003, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loch

They will have their money refounded by June at the latest.

Yeah, June 2004

hershie · 03-13-2003, 07:14 AM

i am a content provider - and still haven't received the email? Maybe the clarity of "PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products" isn't so clearly defined yet?

EscortBiz · 03-13-2003, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hershie
i am a content provider - and still haven't received the email? Maybe the clarity of "PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products" isn't so clearly defined yet?

Well I hope you have no cash in your paypal account because they will freeze accounts real quick and good lukc getting your money.

03-13-2003, 04:25 AM	#1
antigravityboy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: somwhere between heaven and hell Posts: 109	paypal quits processing for adult transaction Just got this email from them hot off the press. Glad I quit using them a long time ago. We are writing to inform you that PayPal has modified its Acceptable Use Policy. As of May 12, 2003, PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products. After a careful review of the financial factors relating to the processing of adult transactions, we concluded that this change was the best course of action for our business. We understand that payment processing is a critical component of any business, and hope that this two-month notice will provide you with sufficient time to transition to an alternate payment system. Summary of the New Policy Under the terms of the Acceptable Use Policy, effective May 12, 2003, PayPal will no longer allow accounts to send or receive payments for adult content or products that are not sold through the Mature Audiences section of eBay's website. PayPal will continue to process payments for eBay-hosted items that are in compliance with eBay's listing requirements and restrictions because eBay listings are easier to monitor than website-based transactions. Click here to read the full terms of the Acceptable Use Policy. You may keep your PayPal account open after May 12, 2003, on a good faith basis. Your transaction history will still be viewable online, and you may continue to withdraw funds under your current account guidelines. Reserves for accounts with rolling reserves will continue to operate, with reserves ending 180 days after the receipt of the last transaction. Because you are not being required to close your PayPal account, your account access may be limited if it is determined that your account activity violates PayPal's new policy on adult content. PayPal customers affected by the new policy who paid the Visa, MasterCard High Risk registration fee will have their registration fee refunded. The fee will be refunded no later than June 13, 2003. Thank You for Your Business We apologize for any inconvenience this change will cause to you, and would like to thank you for your business. If you have any questions about the Acceptable Use Policy, please feel free to contact your account manager. Sincerely, The PayPal Team __________________ Expect nothing, you will not be disappointed.

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03-13-2003, 04:33 AM	#6
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03-13-2003, 04:30 AM	#4
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03-13-2003, 04:40 AM	#13
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03-13-2003, 04:47 AM	#20
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	I really don't think this applies to adult websites. If you read the summary it only mentions adult products via ebay. I think we will need some clarification on this. Regardless it's no great loss. Seems funny that only 6 months ago all the big adult webmasters received emails from account managers at paypal asking us to use paypal for adult web transactions and now they appear not to want our business? Strange... Terry www.projectvoyeur.com

03-13-2003, 04:53 AM	#22
HardProfits So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BrizVegas Posts: 346	just sent an email to my contact at PayPal asking for clarification, and I recommend everyone else do the same till we get an answer Having any IPSP make a descision to turn its back on our industry is a further nail in our mutual coffins

03-13-2003, 04:57 AM	#25
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03-13-2003, 05:34 AM	#30
KittyLiXX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2	Hi - Well , Paypal rains on the KittyLiXX parade! Since KittyLiXX is also an adult seller on Ebay ( I haven't received the email yet) ... what service do you guys recommend I use? Is there one out there that is comparable that we should be signing up for? I also accept Paypal on my retail site www.kittylixx.com for adult products. I will have to read the fine print closely . I take MC and Visa already but I find most of my ebay buyers are Paypal Centric .... Funny thing about this rule w/ eBAY - - I can sell a make it Big Penis pump under massage products other - - and take paypal no prob. I can offer the same product under adult and not be able take Paypal . I also sell sexy hard to find panties and stockings under adult - Now I can't take Paypal for clothing ? Frigging stooges! All of us trying to make a living ! Any recomendations for a new service welcome - __________________ Meow for now! KittyLiXX

03-13-2003, 05:37 AM	#31
notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	I wonder if you can still sell adult DVDS or if they see a DVD as a DVD regardless of what the content on the DVD actually is. I think a lot of content providers might get screwed in this one..

03-13-2003, 05:50 AM	#34
The Almighty Glands Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Behind your girl! Posts: 56	This only makes logical sense. Even though EBAY is a great place to sell your junk, their business practices suck. They act as if they are a monopoly (like bell Canada) and I suppose they are in a way. Since they now own PayPal this was only the next logical step.

03-13-2003, 06:01 AM	#37
CharlieBrown Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 562	screw paypal

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Wow, that sucks for content providers. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

03-13-2003, 06:08 AM	#40
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	This is another reason for people to use www.epassporte.com Affilate programs and CC processors could payout to epassporte and content providers could receive payment this way. GO EPASSPORTE! __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

03-13-2003, 06:14 AM	#41
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	I dont use PayPal but still got the email. I think this part here: PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products Makes their intentions perfectly clear. __________________ See sig...

03-13-2003, 06:24 AM	#42
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03-13-2003, 06:45 AM	#45
hitman699 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 159	I never paid the fees but kept using them for adult anyway... I figured not taking adult would be next anyway with ebay buying them.. They said they will refund the fees at some point. ---------------------------- And what will happen to the people who paid 1500$? LOL! ----------------------------

03-13-2003, 07:14 AM	#49
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	i am a content provider - and still haven't received the email? Maybe the clarity of "PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products" isn't so clearly defined yet?