It's a damn good thing London has such great gun laws.

[AaronM]

Otherwise......Somebody may have actually stopped this from happening.

"An 82-year-old woman has been killed in a suspected beheading in the garden of a north London house."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29068391

[PR_Glen]

how is this a gun control issue?

[seeric]

I was thinking the same thing. Those bobbies were late with their batons this time. Granny coulda capped their asses.

[Scott McD]

In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence.

Are you saying we should exchange our laws for yours because of this incident ?

[Sly]

It sounds like they put more effort into evacuating the neighborhood than taking the guy down.

Shoot the fucker, don't care how mentally ill he is.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence.

Are you saying we should exchange our laws for yours because of this incident ?

Holy shit - I actually agree with something he said.

I might have to retire the Black Flag of Islam for a day.

[PR_Glen]

i missed the cop part heh

[TrafficTitan]

The USA has 4.7x MORE homicides per capita than the UK.

[slapass]

I saw a list of countries and how many police killed someone in a year. Germany had 8. The USA was 400. Japanese police had not killed anyone in 6 years.

The rest of the world has to really wonder about the USA and our gun thing.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Otherwise......Somebody may have actually stopped this from happening.

"An 82-year-old woman has been killed in a suspected beheading in the garden of a north London house."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29068391

WTF is a 'suspected beheading'? either her is attached or it's not

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Otherwise......Somebody may have actually stopped this from happening.

"An 82-year-old woman has been killed in a suspected beheading in the garden of a north London house."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29068391

She was found dead - How would anyone with a gun have helped her?..

The guy who did it is alive and in custody and will face justice - That's the best you could hope for given the circumstances.....

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence.

Are you saying we should exchange our laws for yours because of this incident ?

Lol I don't care for gun laws but quote Canada stats cause our cops are no where near as fucked as there's . they insight the violence all lull the time that causes the gun deaths. America has a mental fucked white population when it comes to there cops.

[WDF]

I read they used a taser on the guy and a firearms officer broke his wrist.

I wonder if the broken wrist came for discharging the firearm.

The neighborhood looks very ethnic to me. I wonder why they did not disclose more about the 25 year old man taken in to custody though.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by WDF

I wonder why they did not disclose more about the 25 year old man taken in to custody though.

They probably actually repsect that innocent until proven guilty thing.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Otherwise......Somebody may have actually stopped this from happening.

You talk about gun laws, but you actually refer to "killing laws". I dont' think it's someone's duty to just shoot people in UK, with a knife or not. Having guns around won't change this.

You see a man with a knife, do you just get a gun and shoot him? "Something prevented", although not dead incident.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

WTF is a 'suspected beheading'? either her is attached or it's not

They probably didn't have the trial already. Neither execution. Or even investigation. "Beheading" refers to the suspected crime, not someone being beheaded, unless I got it wrong.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by slapass

They probably actually repsect that innocent until proven guilty thing.

LMAO! What is repsect ?

Or are they trying to prevent further civil unrest due to this incident? Hmmmm

[CDSmith]

It's like the Manitoba Bus Beheader incident all over again.

People back then of all manner and stripe were saying that if someone on that bus had had a gun, knew how to use it, and had "shot the fucker dead" then that 19 yr old kid may have had a chance to live.

"May have", yes, but even a small chance is better than no chance at all, at least according to all those supporting the "someone should have had a gun" opinion.

As for myself I have to say that I don't think I'd mind one wit if one of these psycho blade-wielding would-be beheaders were to get shot full of holes.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

As for myself I have to say that I don't think I'd mind one wit if one of these psycho blade-wielding would-be beheaders were to get shot full of holes.

Too bad they don't come labeled.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by aka123

You talk about gun laws, but you actually refer to "killing laws". I dont' think it's someone's duty to just shoot people in UK, with a knife or not. Having guns around won't change this.

You see a man with a knife, do you just get a gun and shoot him? "Something prevented", although not dead incident.

So if the old lady had a colt mustang and fired 5 rounds into the 25 year old, it wouldn't have changed anything? Are you mentally ill?

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So if the old lady had a colt mustang and fired 5 rounds into the 25 year old, it wouldn't have changed anything? Are you mentally ill?

Am I mentally ill? Based on your answers you should ask that in front of a mirror.

Yeah, if that 82 years old granny would have a carried gun while wondering in her garden, she might have killed that guy, or the postman. Although one dead still, but that doesn't seem to be problem to you.

But sure, the solution is to arm anyone, from toes to teeth. Let's not forget the kids and gramps.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by aka123

You talk about gun laws, but you actually refer to "killing laws". I dont' think it's someone's duty to just shoot people in UK, with a knife or not. Having guns around won't change this.

You see a man with a knife, do you just get a gun and shoot him? "Something prevented", although not dead incident.

If a knife wielding individual is screaming, acting erratic, and menacing my neighborhood a single shot to the shoulder. knee, arm. leg will stop him without killing him. Then again a single head shot would save the court and imprisonment costs.

What do you suggest they do, invite him to lunch and ask him nicely to surrender?

Pay him a stipend to surrender?

Or maybe have more people get injured or killed while using little to no force to subdue him?

Or are you saying they arrested the wrong knife wielding man in the area where an elderly woman had her head cut off?

Yes, we Americans are so barbaric!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by aka123

Am I mentally ill? Based on your answers you should ask that in front of a mirror.

Yeah, if that 82 years old granny would have carried gun while wondering in her garden, she might have killed that guy, or the postman. Although one dead still, but that doesn't seem to be problem to you.

But sure, the solution is to arm anyone, from toes to teeths.

Wow, you are right, you have me there

I don't have a problem with gunning down a 25 year old asshole that beheads old ladies,

I guess you are ok with that, fucking idiot!

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by aka123

Too bad they don't come labeled.

Until they draw a large combat knife or in this case a sword and put it to someone's throat.

When that happens what more labelling do you need?

[Sly]

Hey guys I'm a firm believer in gun rights and I argue for them regularly, but suggesting that an 80-year-old woman would be sitting in her garden with a colt revolver if they were legal is borderline retarded. You are not helping the argument, you are simply making gun rights believers look like fucking idiots.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wow, you are right, you have me there

I don't have a problem with gunning down a 25 year old asshole that beheads old ladies,

I guess you are ok with that, fucking idiot!

When that granny would have shot him, he wouldn't have been beheader yet, or maybe not at all. You know, most of us can't see into future.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

It's like the Manitoba Bus Beheader incident all over again.

People back then of all manner and stripe were saying that if someone on that bus had had a gun, knew how to use it, and had "shot the fucker dead" then that 19 yr old kid may have had a chance to live.

"May have", yes, but even a small chance is better than no chance at all, at least according to all those supporting the "someone should have had a gun" opinion.

As for myself I have to say that I don't think I'd mind one wit if one of these psycho blade-wielding would-be beheaders were to get shot full of holes.

Nobody witnessed what happened - There was nobody to save the old lady - It's very different...

[Rochard]

Sure sure.

I mean..... I'm sure that an 82 year old frail women would just pull out her shotgun or whatever and just blow him away...

Sure sure.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Until they draw a large combat knife or in this case a sword and put it to someone's throat.

When that happens what more labelling do you need?

Yes, if you see a man holding a blade or sword on another human's throat, you know that you see a man holding a blade or sword on some another human's throat.

Although it's not yet beheading. And gunning would also be risky at that point. Don't you watch movies? Usually at that point police or whoever tries to negotiate. As even if you shoot the guy, he might take the other with him.

[hottoddy]

Why doesn't the article describe the accused man - could he possibly be a Muslim? Imagine that! A follower of peaceful Islam running around beheading grandma. The pics definitely show it took place in a Muslim community. Thank goodness for the open door immigration policies. Keep calm and carry on - all is fine, London.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So if the old lady had a colt mustang and fired 5 rounds into the 25 year old, it wouldn't have changed anything? Are you mentally ill?

Wow lol. Ya that's the life I want for my nana to carry a colt whatever the fuck its called. Whos the mentally ill one? Unreal.

Because I am sure he walked up to her and said "excuse me misses I am about to cut your fucking head off. You might want to pull your gun out that you have packed in your purse and shoot me"


Cant stop laughing at your comment lol.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wow, you are right, you have me there

I don't have a problem with gunning down a 25 year old asshole that beheads old ladies,

I guess you are ok with that, fucking idiot!

i wish you would die soon.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

Hey guys I'm a firm believer in gun rights and I argue for them regularly, but suggesting that an 80-year-old woman would be sitting in her garden with a colt revolver if they were legal is borderline retarded. You are not helping the argument, you are simply making gun rights believers look like fucking idiots.

what he said

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by WDF

The neighborhood looks very ethnic to me.

London - everywhere is ethnic in Londonistan

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

Hey guys I'm a firm believer in gun rights and I argue for them regularly, but suggesting that an 80-year-old woman would be sitting in her garden with a colt revolver if they were legal is borderline retarded. You are not helping the argument, you are simply making gun rights believers look like fucking idiots.

I said colt Mustang, it's a small 380 semi auto that can fit in a purse very easily, mom has one, she's over 70.

Originally Posted by aka123

When that granny would have shot her, he wouldn't have been beheader yet, or maybe not at all. You know, most of us can't see into future.

So you would take away all protection from old people so that a guy with a knife could go on a killing spree?

I guess you must be on the side of the killer

http://vendzilla.com/gfy/gun.wmv

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Wow lol. Ya that's the life I want for my nana to carry a colt whatever the fuck its called. Whos the mentally ill one? Unreal.

Because I am sure he walked up to her and said "excuse me misses I am about to cut your fucking head off. You might want to pull your gun out that you have packed in your purse and shoot me"


Cant stop laughing at your comment lol.

Like I said, mom has one!

Just because people are old, they should have their gun rights taken away?

Last October, my 74 year old dad defended himself from a guy in his 30's that started beating him thought the window on his truck, he stopped when a gun was pointed at him, a loaded gun. At 74, my dad regularly shoots in a club he belongs to!

[American Psycho]

Vote prop 443

Mandatory concealed firearms for all people over 65yrs old!

[Vendzilla]

Also, remember this guy was jumping gardens. If you saw someone jump your wall with a knife in his hand, you would let him approach you? Fuck that!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by NewNick

i wish you would die soon.

Still part of my fan club?

Why do you get hostile when people disagree with you, are you that scared that people might find out you are lacking a spine?

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you would take away all protection from old people so that a guy with a knife could go on a killing spree?

I guess you must be on the side of the killer

Hmm.. guns don't help that much to paranoia.

But nooo.. of course not. Let's arm everybody, gramps and kids too. Especially kids, you don't want to let the future of humankind to be left unprotected.

We had all kinds of good practices in army: when others sleep, at least one guy stays in watch. Claymore or two will also increase safety. Stay protected, enemy is out there.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Like I said, mom has one!

Just because people are old, they should have their gun rights taken away?

Last October, my 74 year old dad defended himself from a guy in his 30's that started beating him thought the window on his truck, he stopped when a gun was pointed at him, a loaded gun. At 74, my dad regularly shoots in a club he belongs to!

You don't get it and I'm not surprised. Anyhow signing off for the night. Have a good night.

[Robbie]

Here in the U.S.:

"FBI statistics showing more than 1,500,000 members of recognized gangs across the nation and something like 33,000 recognized gangs in the FBI's stats
Gang activity is responsible for at least 48% of criminal and violent activity"

I don't think that street gangs really give a shit about Democrat Party gun laws. Matter of fact they seem to thrive in places run by Democrats and with the toughest gun laws...like Detroit and Michigan.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

You don't get it and I'm not surprised. Anyhow signing off for the night. Have a good night.

What don't I get, you were saying an 80 year old has no business having a gun, I showed you that personal experience is that you are wrong, good night!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by aka123

Hmm.. guns don't help that much to paranoia.

But nooo.. of course not. Let's arm everybody, gramps and kids too. Especially kids, you don't want to let the future of humankind to be left unprotected.

We had all kinds of good practices in army: when others sleep, at least one guy stays in watch. Claymore or two will also increase safety. Stay protected, enemy is out there.

Ok, so you want to put Claymore's in the gardens to protect the old ladies then, is that it, because you aren't making any sense to the discussion other than that!

in other words, where did we start talking about army shit? Gawd what a fucking moron! LOL

[Vendzilla]

Plain and simple, if you think all Americans are carrying guns and will murder you, then stay out of the US and when I visit your country, I won't carry a gun.

But don't say 80 is too old to shoot a gun, when you don't know jack shit about it!

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Ok, so you want to put Claymore's in the gardens to protect the old ladies then, is that it, because you aren't making any sense to the discussion other than that!

in other words, where did we start talking about army shit? Gawd what a fucking moron! LOL

I did start talking about "army shit" in my last message. You know, the enemy is out there and armies have usually the best practices to deal with it. You don't want to be left unprotected, so remember to cover the flanks and rear too.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wow, you are right, you have me there

I don't have a problem with gunning down a 25 year old asshole that beheads old ladies,

I guess you are ok with that, fucking idiot!

Woop Yeah! Kill the mentally ill!

KILL THEM ALL

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Plain and simple, if you think all Americans are carrying guns and will murder you

I think that's yours fear.

[SongRider]

Guns dont fix stuff like this... if she had been holding a 12 inch iron skillet in one hand and a butcher knife in the other and saw him coming it may or may not have saved her as well.

What if HE had had a gun? Might be an entirely different story of MASS murder like what happens here in US schools every year.

You cant control insanity... you cant see it coming... All you can do is bitch about it after it happens... and if your religious say a prayer for the victims...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here in the U.S.:

"FBI statistics showing more than 1,500,000 members of recognized gangs across the nation and something like 33,000 recognized gangs in the FBI's stats
Gang activity is responsible for at least 48% of criminal and violent activity"

I don't think that street gangs really give a shit about Democrat Party gun laws. Matter of fact they seem to thrive in places run by Democrats and with the toughest gun laws...like Detroit and Michigan.

Great.... Don't you think if we made it more difficult for people to get firearms, it would be more difficult for gangs to get them?

We hand out firearms to anyone who wants them. I mean, the same people who loose their car keys every other month are the same people who own firearms. At the very least you should have to take a "stupid test" to make sure you won't be leaving your firearms in the center console of your unlocked car, or perhaps we should have a law about accountability - if your firearm gets stolen and is used in a violent crime, you go to prison for a year.

Fuck it. Just arm everyone and let stupidity run it's course.