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[theking]

I have been fucking around on this board for most of yesterday and today. It is after midnight where I am located. I have a fucked up back and I have pain every day, but it is pain that I have learned to tolerate. Occasionally my back really goes out of wack and the pain becomes agonizing, which has been the case for the past two days. I have a supply of pills the doctor gave me for back pain but they are not really worth a fuck. The prescription says take one every four to six hours. I have been taking about four per hour instead, and it has alleviated the pain to some extent, but I still hurt so much that I cannot sleep. If you are wondering why I am fucking around on the board instead of doing something productive it is because I really don't have any work to do. My business is pretty much in order. That is the reason that I recently became a member of this board after having monitored it since it went on line. I have time to spare.

I do not know what Ultram is (that is the medicine provided by the Doctor for back pain) and it is 50 MG pills. As stated if I take enough of it, it seems to provide a certain amount of relief. Are any of you familiar with Ultram? Is it actually a pain pill or a muscle relaxant as a friend told me today? Whatever it is I am going to have a talk with my Doctor, as when this happens it is clear to me that I need something stronger.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by theking
I have a supply of pills the doctor gave me for back pain but they are not really worth a fuck. The prescription says take one every four to six hours. I have been taking about four per hour instead, and it has alleviated the pain to some extent, but I still hurt so much that I cannot sleep.

Why don't you take a hundred. That will ease my pain.

[quiet]

Originally posted by theking
If you are wondering why I am fucking around on the board instead of doing something productive it is because I really don't have any work to do. My business is pretty much in order. That is the reason that I recently became a member of this board after having monitored it since it went on line. I have time to spare.

in other words, your success doesn't hinge on this board.

[theking]

Originally posted by quiet


in other words, your success doesn't hinge on this board.

Does anyone's?

[Theo]

take em all,both of us we'll feel better

[L0stMind]

Originally posted by theking


Does anyone's?

Sadly, I believe success does hinge on gfy for some...

[BJ]

Originally posted by L0stMind


Sadly, I believe success does hinge on gfy for some...

dont knock my B-plan

[theking]

Originally posted by PureMeds


dont knock my B-plan

PureMeds are you not familiar with Ultram? Or does your specialty lie in other drugs?

[Beastiepoo]

If you have a back problem (bulging disc, etc) then the WORST thing you can do is sit hunched up in front of your keyboard tapping away. I know it hurts like fuck and the meds aren't helping but seriously you've got to get up, stretch, go for a walk, do SOMETHING that gets your back into proper alignment. Walking is one of the best things you can do in short stints. Also, if you can, go and see a physiotherapist and see if they can sort you out with some exercises to ease the pain. In short, DON'T sit here another minute. Even if all you do is stand up, stretch, take a walk up your road and come back again, do SOMETHING. You'll feel better.

[theking]

Originally posted by Beastiepoo
If you have a back problem (bulging disc, etc) then the WORST thing you can do is sit hunched up in front of your keyboard tapping away. I know it hurts like fuck and the meds aren't helping but seriously you've got to get up, stretch, go for a walk, do SOMETHING that gets your back into proper alignment. Walking is one of the best things you can do in short stints. Also, if you can, go and see a physiotherapist and see if they can sort you out with some exercises to ease the pain. In short, DON'T sit here another minute. Even if all you do is stand up, stretch, take a walk up your road and come back again, do SOMETHING. You'll feel better.

I have three discs that are shot, and arthritis in most of my spine. As I stated, most days the pain is tolerable, but fairly recently if I move in the wrong manner, I have extreme pain, cannot straighten up and can barely walk. I cannot sit for long periods of time or stand for long periods of time. I even use the keyboard while standing. I have a seat that fits in my desk chair, that massages my back, neck, and thighs, (at variable speeds) it also heats if I so choose, which I usually do. I have had a back problem for about ten years now (began in my early thirties), and I have been to multiple doctors, but nothing can really be done. Thanks for your concern and input, as your advice is sound. I don't know what these Ultram pills are but, I do know they don't work in the prescribed dosages.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by theking


I have three discs that are shot, and arthritis in most of my spine. As I stated, most days the pain is tolerable, but fairly recently if I move in the wrong manner, I have extreme pain, cannot straighten up and can barely walk. I cannot sit for long periods of time or stand for long periods of time. I even use the keyboard while standing. I have a seat that fits in my desk chair, that massages my back, neck, and thighs, it also heats if I so choose, which I usually do. I have had a back problem for about ten years now (began in my early thirties), and I have been to multiple doctors, but nothing can really be done. Thanks for your concern and input, as your advice is sound. I don't know what these Ultram pills are but, I do know they don't work in the prescribed dosages.

Do you have a colostomy bag?

[boneprone]

Ultram is not a muscle relaxor nor a narcotic for pain.
Its a replacement for non-sterodial Anti-inflamatory-s.
For chronic pain, and is not addictive. But when you get off it you need to taper off it a bit. This drug simply camolflauges the pain, without actually going in there and doing anything. Its similar to a pain med, without the side effects, and is targeted for chronic pain and arthritis

[theking]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


Do you have a colostomy bag?

No. You serve that purpose.

[boneprone]

in english, it means it does not reduce swelling and inflamation.
It hides the pain instead. You should get an anti-inflamatory instead or in addition.

[boneprone]

any other drug questions before i go to sleep.
I could probably answer any of them you have if you like?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by theking


No. You serve that purpose.

I'm pleased to know I give you the shits.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
Ultram is not a muscle relaxor nor a narcotic for pain.
It is a non-sterodial Anti-inflamatory

I am aware that you used to be in the medical field, so maybe you can explain why the doctor provided me with Ultram when I requested something for pain. In addition what medication would you suggest, and I do not want something that I could become addicted to but yet would relieve pain to a bearable level, if this type of medication exists.

[boneprone]

for back pain, ultram is good.
And you wont get addicted.

Get an anti-inflamatory in addition.

You see, anti-inflamatorys are perfect for this because they actually go in and do something. They reduce and prevent the inflamation CASUSING THE PAIN. You feel pain because of inflamation or a pull. Ultram doesnt reduce this inflamation, yet an anti-inflamatory will, as a reslut reduces the pain.

A "pain pill" in fact will not DO ANYTHING to what is casuing the pain. A pain pill like Vicodin, T3, Darvocet and others alike only HIDE or camouflage the pain. They do not actually go to the casue, but instead go to your brain so you simply dont feel the pain. It is not curing or doing anything except blocking your brain from feeling it.
The casue of the pain is still there.

Also these pain pils are addictive. However Ultram is unique in that it is not addicitive and is not a narcotic

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
for back pain, ultram is good.
And you wont get addicted.

You see, items like ultram are perfect for this because they actually go in and do something. They reduce and prevent the inflamation CASUSING THE PAIN. You feel pain because of inflamation or a pull. Ultram reduces this inflamation, which as a reslut reduces the pain. Yet it is not considered-classified as a pain pill.

A "pain pill" in fact will not DO ANYTHING to what is casuing the pain. A pain pill like Vicodin, T3, Darvocet and others alike only HIDE or camouflage the pain. They do not actually go to the casue, but instead go to your brain so you simply dont feel the pain. It is not curing or doing anything except blocking your brain from feeling it.
The casue of the pain is still there.

Also these pain pils are addictive.

The Ultram are 50MG and the prescription calls for 1 every four to six hours. For the past two days I have been taking many times more than what the prescription says. How many would be to many in a 24 hour period, as in not safe, or some kind of serious side effects?

[boneprone]

A 3rd choice would be a "muscle relaxor" like cyclobezoprine (flexril), or Carisdpool (Soma)

These actually go in and relax the muscle, or muscles that may be casuing tension to the problem area.

If Ultram does not work, your next choice will probably be a type of antinflamtory to see if it works. And if it doesnt you will probably be put on a muscle relaxor next.

Narcotics are the last thing you wanna be on, but soooo many doctors are such quacks they over prescribe the shit just to get people out of the office with that magic pill hust so they dont come back having to go through the proper trial and error needed to find what works best

[boneprone]

Ultram is very unique!
Its actually not classified as a non sterodial anti-inflamatory, yet it is prescribed in place of one often.
It works like a pain med, but is not addictive.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
Hold on!
Wait !
Ultram is very unique!
Its actually not classified as a non sterodial anti-inflamatory.
It works like a pain med, but is not addictive.

Shit..... My knowlege is getting a bit rusty.

Sorry!

Thanks for the info but before you go to bed will you answer the question below. I don't want to waste myself, or do some serious damage to some organ.

The Ultram are 50MG and the prescription calls for 1 every four to six hours. For the past two days I have been taking many times more than what the prescription says. How many would be to many in a 24 hour period, as in not safe, or some kind of serious side effects?

[[Labret]]

You do realize you are taking drug advice from Boneprone right?

[boneprone]

Its a Pain med, but one that is used in SIMIALR situations a non sterodial antiflamitory pill.

Its designed and specialized for chronic pains.
Like arthritis, and sports injuries.

You say its your back?

If its not doing the job, the key is not to take more in hope it will work. The answer is to get a new med.
There are so many, including the non-sterodial anti inflamtorys I mentioned. Talk to you doc, tell him this shit aint working, and you need something else. In the mean time stop taking it and take 6 advil every 4-6 hours. See if that is better. If it is tell the doc you saw better results taking 3 advil than the ultram as directed.

It will put him on the right track to prescribing you something in the proper family

[boneprone]

Dont take more than 2 every 4-6 hours.
Anymore and ypu are just fucking yourself up.

It obviously isnt working.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
Its a Pain med, but one that is used in SIMIALR situations a non sterodial antiflamitory pill.

Its designed and specialized for chronic pains.
Like arthritis, and sports injuries.

You say its your back?

If its not doing the job, the key is not to take more in hope it will work. The answer is to get a new med.
There are so many, including the non-sterodial anti inflamtorys I mentioned. Talk to you doc, tell him this shit aint working, and you need something else. In the mean time stop taking it and take 6 advil every 4-6 hours. See if that is better. If it is tell the doc you saw better results taking 3 advil than the ultram as directed.

It will put him on the right track to prescribing you something in the proper family

Thanks for all of the info and advice. I will speak to my doctor, as it is clear that the Ultram does not work in the prescribed dosage, but it does work to some extent if I take enough of them, but I don't think that is the way it should be.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
Dont take more than 2 every 4-6 hours.
Anymore and ypu are just fucking yourself up.

It obviously isnt working.

I don't like hearing that as I have taken way more than that and have been for two days. I hope I haven't damaged an organ. I will speak to my doctor tomorrow and explain everything to him. Thanks again for the info and advice.

[boneprone]

but wait.
You are taking the industrial strength ultram.
50mg.

So you best not go over the directed use.

The overdose limit is anything OVER 400mg in a 24 hour period
I just looked it up.

[boneprone]

From the PDR:


ULTRAM 25 mg, 50 mg to 100 mg can be administered as needed
for pain relief every four to six hours, not to exceed 400 mg per day.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
but wait.
You are taking the industrial strength ultram.
50mg.

So you best not go over the directed use.

The overdose limit is anything OVER 400mg in a 24 hour period
I just looked it up.

Maybe that is why I am feeling alittle bit dizzzy. I just figured it was from lack of sleep. I hope you are just pulling my leg.

[boneprone]

"? The patient should understand the single-dose and 24-hour dose limit and the time interval between doses, since exceeding these
recommendations can result in respiratory depression, seizures and death"

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
"? The patient should understand the single-dose and 24-hour dose limit and the time interval between doses, since exceeding these
recommendations can result in respiratory depression, seizures and death"

I assume respiratory depression would be the first sympton to be aware of?

[boneprone]

OVERDOSAGE:

"Serious potential consequences of overdosage are respiratory depression, lethargy, coma, seizure, cardiac arrest and death. (See
WARNINGS.) Fatalities have been reported in post marketing in association with both intentional and unintentional overdose with
ULTRAM. In treating an overdose, primary attention should be given to maintaining adequate ventilation along with general support-ive
treatment. While naloxone will reverse some, but not all, symptoms caused by overdosage with ULTRAM, the risk of seizures is
also increased with naloxone administration. In animals convulsions following the administration of toxic doses of tramadol could be
suppressed with barbiturates or benzodiazepines but were increased with naloxone. Naloxone administration did not change the
lethality of an overdose in mice. Hemodialysis is not expected to be helpful in an overdose because it removes less than 7% of the
administered dose in a 4-hour dialysis period."

[boneprone]

Withdrawal
Withdrawal symptoms may occur if ULTRAM is discontinued abruptly. (See DRUG ABUSE AND DEPENDENCE.) These symptoms may
include: anxiety, sweating, insomnia, rigors, pain, nausea, tremors, diarrhea, upper respiratory symptoms, piloerection, and rarely
hallucinations. Clinical experience suggests that withdrawal symptoms may be relieved by tapering the medication.

[boneprone]

calculate in your head real quick how many MG's you took today.
Each pill is 50mg

[boneprone]

Dizziness is just a side effect some people feel.
You are "some people" no biggie.
Just cut back on your doseage man. Dont go over 400mgs a day.
If you are around that limit going a bit over, it means talk to the doc, and get soemthing else. THis pup aint workin.

Here are the side effects i pulled up

Dizziness/Vertigo 26% 31% 33%
Nausea 24% 34% 40%
Constipation 24% 38% 46%
Headache 18% 26% 32%
Somnolence 16% 23% 25%
Vomiting 9% 13% 17%
Pruritus 8% 10% 11%
?CNS Stimulation?1 7% 11% 14%
Asthenia 6% 11% 12%
Sweating 6% 7% 9%
Dyspepsia 5% 9% 13%
Dry Mouth 5% 9% 10%
Diarrhea

[boneprone]

cool.
This one doesnt have "Vagianal or Penil Discharge" on it!

Lucky Guy!

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
calculate in your head real quick how many MG's you took today.
Each pill is 50mg

At 50MG one every four hours would be 300MG's in a twenty-four hour period. I know that I have taken at least double that and maybe even three times that. It has helped to reduce the pain, so at the first signs of severe pain returning I have taken a pill. My best guess would be three times the prescribed amount.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
Dizziness is just a side effect some people feel.
You are "some people" no biggie.
Just cut back on your doseage man. Dont go over 400mgs a day.
If you are around that limit going a bit over, it means talk to the doc, and get soemthing else. THis pup aint workin.

Here are the side effects i pulled up

Dizziness/Vertigo 26% 31% 33%
Nausea 24% 34% 40%
Constipation 24% 38% 46%
Headache 18% 26% 32%
Somnolence 16% 23% 25%
Vomiting 9% 13% 17%
Pruritus 8% 10% 11%
?CNS Stimulation?1 7% 11% 14%
Asthenia 6% 11% 12%
Sweating 6% 7% 9%
Dyspepsia 5% 9% 13%
Dry Mouth 5% 9% 10%
Diarrhea

Slight dizziness is the only one on the list so far, but I have been awake around thirty-five hours so this could be an explanation for being slightly dizzy.

[boneprone]

keep it under 400 mg dude.
If it takes more to relieve your pain, you need another med. This one isnt working.

There are TONS of others you can try and the doc can try on you.

get some steroids perhaps if its really that bad

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
keep it under 400 mg dude.
If it takes more to relieve your pain, you need another med. This one isnt working.

There are TONS of others you can try and the doc can try on you.

get some steroids perhaps if its really that bad

I will take your advice. Thanks again. By the way I have forgotten what you did in the field of medicine, care to say again?

[boneprone]

I used to play a doctor on TV.
Mexican TV.

[boneprone]

Now I play a Mexican Webmaster on GFY.

[theking]

Originally posted by boneprone
I used to play a doctor on TV.
Mexican TV.

I remember now, thanks for reminding me. Esta hombre es el doctore Boneprone.

[theking]

I managed to get about two hours sleep, before the pain woke me up again. I called my Doctor and he is on vacation for ten days, but the Nurse Practioner in his office told me to stick with the Ultram. She told me something that I didn't know I was supposed to be doing. I was under the impression that I was supposed to use the Ultram only when the pain became intolerable but she told me that it was intended that I use it on a daily basis, and it should be become more effective when using it daily. I do not recall the Doctor telling me that. So I will continue with the Ultram taking one pill every four hours, daily and see what the results are.

[Cheshire]

watch out there ~ I heard Pathfinder overdosed on that stuff and died in his sleep...


pitty

[Beastiepoo]

Originally posted by Cheshire
watch out there ~ I heard Pathfinder overdosed on that stuff and died in his sleep...


pity

*giggles at Cheshire*


But on the other side, its a shame you are stuck out there in the USA. We've got a surgeon at the hospital where I work (south coast of England) who is trailblazing the new techniques in back pain/surgery. It sounds like you need what is called a Dynesis Stabilization or possibly a Spinal Fusion. I can't explain exactly what he does when he's in there but he's had masses of success so far. The Dynesis is a new operation and isn't carried out very widely. People travel quite a way just to have him consult them.

[theking]

Originally posted by Cheshire
watch out there ~ I heard Pathfinder overdosed on that stuff and died in his sleep...


pitty

I took enough of the stuff in the past two days that if I were going to die from overdosing on it, I would already be dead. In addition I know that Pathfinder died from a major stroke.

[Cheshire]

Originally posted by theking
I took enough of the stuff in the past two days that if I were going to die from overdosing on it, I would already be dead. In addition I know that Pathfinder died from a major stroke.

of course, my mistake Pathfinder... oops, I mean theking...

[theking]

Originally posted by Beastiepoo


*giggles at Cheshire*


But on the other side, its a shame you are stuck out there in the USA. We've got a surgeon at the hospital where I work (south coast of England) who is trailblazing the new techniques in back pain/surgery. It sounds like you need what is called a Dynesis Stabilization or possibly a Spinal Fusion. I can't explain exactly what he does when he's in there but he's had masses of success so far. The Dynesis is a new operation and isn't carried out very widely. People travel quite a way just to have him consult them.

Surgery has been discussed, but it is not an option I will take as long as I can tolerate the pain, as I was told that there is a forty percent chance that I would could become a paraplegic. I am writing down Dynesis and will ask my Doctor what he knows, if anything, about it. Thanks for the tip Beastiepoo.