Really Useful Cash - Another Shady Operator

[sabaidii2]

Really Useful Cash - Another Shady Operator

reallyusefulcash.com cheats its affiliates out of sales.

In addition to the standard individual website subscriptions, there are also two separate bundled site package subscriptions, offered for a small additional amount.

It's a pretty good deal for the Surfer.
But not so good for affiliates as no commission is paid.

Only when explicitly asking for an affiliate link to promote the bundled Sites was I told:

"the company isn't offering the pass sites as part of the affiliate system"
- [email protected]
[Referring to Bundled Sites Package 1 below]

This "minor" detail does not appear on the reallyusefulcash.com affiliate site


The Shady Details
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When a Surfer clicks the Join link on any of the sites in question, the expected Join Page appears AND an unexpected pop-up window also appears promoting the bundled sites. If the bundled site package is purchased, the affiliate earns nothing, thereby depriving the affiliate of a sale.

Apparently, the pop-ups are displayed only once every 24-hours from each of the sites.


Bundled Sites Package 1
=======================
danejones.com
hdpov.com
lesbea.com
massagerooms.com
momxxx.com
strapon.xxx

Bundled Sites Package 2
=======================
fakeagent.com
fakeagentuk.com
faketaxi.com
femaleagent.com
publicagent.com

[Barefootsies]

[30SalesPlus]

Yet still has great conversions for affiliates.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by 30SalesPlus

Yet still has great conversions for affiliates.

most of programs producing new sites or content are on much better ratios ... but not saying its because of those popups and not saying it must work for everyone same way ...

[jscott]

Wonderful

[EDepth]

I only receive a popup on join via type-in or returning nats-user type-in. It would be nice if they hid that pop fully from nats links.

[sabaidii2]

Originally Posted by 30SalesPlus

Yet still has great conversions for affiliates.

So you have no problem not being paid for sales that you deserve?

[DBS.US]

You think the models are the only ones getting fucked

[lucas131]

anyway, you know what, it is just like have unchecked xsale on join page

[Focus]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

[sabaidii2]

Originally Posted by lucas131

anyway, you know what, it is just like have unchecked xsale on join page

No, it's worse because the affiliate gets nothing.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by sabaidii2

No, it's worse because the affiliate gets nothing.

and from xsale on revshare you get what?

[xXXtesy10]

JT has a huge fucking ego. It doesn't surprise me one bit. Fuck him.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by lucas131

and from xsale on revshare you get what?

i mean it is of course bad, but its nothing unusual these times ...

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by sabaidii2

So you have no problem not being paid for sales that you deserve?

It's a well known fact that lots of programs have no issues with fucking over the consumer time and time again. Sort of like a tire shop throwing nails into their parking lot.

[Relentless]

I assume you already contacted ReallyUsefulCash.com privately to discuss this (or any other issue) first, right ?

[Nickatilynx]

$1 says of course not relentless.

JT and his program pay on time everytime and have tools out the ass for webmasters to make good money.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

$1 says of course not relentless.

JT and his program pay on time everytime and have tools out the ass for webmasters to make good money.

Wait to suck that cock bro, work it baby!

[Klen]

Well yes it sucks but this is a common practice,done either by external xsales,adverts inside members area and other ways where affiliate ain't getting shit.I think sponsors which dont have anything external where affiliate is not credited are not much.
But still the key should be does main product convert -
you could have other sponsor which dont have such thing at all,but dont convert yet this one could generate a lot of sales.
Also,sponsors rarely do anything when there is such complain,for example some offered xsales free links in affiliate control panel but not much sponsors did that.

[sabaidii2]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I assume you already contacted ReallyUsefulCash.com privately to discuss this (or any other issue) first, right ?

From my initial post here:

Only when explicitly asking for an affiliate link to promote the bundled Sites was I told:

"the company isn't offering the pass sites as part of the affiliate system"
- [email protected]

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

Wait to suck that cock bro, work it baby!

Never done a $1 business with him , but know how he conducts himself.

Who the fuck are you? oh I just got told...no one...now fuck off

[baggg]

rogue employee

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by sabaidii2

From my initial post here: Only when explicitly asking for an affiliate link to promote the bundled Sites was I told: "the company isn't offering the pass sites as part of the affiliate system" - [email protected]

Just Curious.... what is your net revenue per click sent with the sites as compared to other sites in the niche from similar traffic.

That is what really matters

[OldJeff]

Holy shit, more whining from the BRO(ke) Club !

[CurrentlySober]

I really don't get this kinda post...

No dog in the fight either way, but if you don't like the way someone conducts business... Then perhaps don't just do biz with them to begin with?

To use an analogy (Which is well known on GFY) if you get a job at McDonalds, and have a problem with things - Then you are free to go leave, and get a job at burger king...

If you don't like them, then goto Wendy's or carls jr etc...

OR start your own fast food chain and be your own boss....

Like I say, I'm NOT being cuntish, nor have a dog in the fight either way... But no one has a gun to your head to FORCE you to "Work For / PROMOTE' any webmaster referral / affiliate system in the world.... ?

Bite my head off by all means - I'm a big boy & can take it, but I really DONT GET IT?


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[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

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[lucas131]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I really don't get this kinda post...

No dog in the fight either way, but if you don't like the way someone conducts business... Then perhaps don't just do biz with them to begin with?

To use an analogy (Which is well known on GFY) if you get a job at McDonalds, and have a problem with things - Then you are free to go leave, and get a job at burger king...

If you don't like them, then goto Wendy's or carls jr etc...

OR start your own fast food chain and be your own boss....

Like I say, I'm NOT being cuntish, nor have a dog in the fight either way... But no one has a gun to your head to FORCE you to "Work For / PROMOTE' any webmaster referral / affiliate system in the world.... ?

Bite my head off by all means - I'm a big boy & can take it, but I really DONT GET IT?


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i think it is about the standart and morals. if you run revshare program and offer 50/50, then its no reason to try steal members that your revshare partner send you, and if someone is doing it and someone dont like it, someone will report it as its not standart practice, standart is clean tour on revs, on 30/40usd pps there is no doubt you will get tons of shit on your links ... here, someone just reported, that ruc is not clean on revshare sales ...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by lucas131

i think it is about the standart and morals. if you run revshare program and offer 50/50, then its no reason to try steal members that your revshare partner send you, and if someone is doing it and someone dont like it, someone will report it as its not standart practice, standart is clean tour on revs, on 30/40usd pps there is no doubt you will get tons of shit on your links ... here, someone just reported, that ruc is not clean on revshare sales ...

Fair enough... But like I say, if you are not happy - LEAVE

This is PORN. I'm old school. Made most of my money before the net.... But people are all looking out for themselves. Always has been, always will be... Not only in porn, but even MORESO in mainstream (Banking Etc...)

At least if you don't like 'McDonalds' and wanna go to work @ burger king instead... You dont need to 'apply for a job and get hired'... Just sign up...

.

[Nickatilynx]

really???? pornographers with morals ??? lol...ahhh the irony.

Me?

I find I have the morals I can afford. ;-))

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

really???? pornographers with morals ??? lol...ahhh the irony.

Me?

I find I have the morals I can afford. ;-))

i am trying to do clean and legit business, what other people in the industry are doing is not my business if its not connected to me. i know there are good people around, so your words are not so accurate you know?

[signupdamnit]

Well do you know the owners history? It's constant drama with him. What did you expect? I'm not blaming you but you should do more due diligence on your sponsors. Especially these days.

CS, I think the point is more to share what is happening with other webmasters who may not know about it. That is kind of what these forums used to be about long ago mainly when it was affiliates here. You know the "program discussion" part? I for one appreciate the information although I knew already not to do business with them.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well yes it sucks but this is a common practice,done either by external xsales,adverts inside members area and other ways where affiliate ain't getting shit.I think sponsors which dont have anything external where affiliate is not credited are not much.
But still the key should be does main product convert -
you could have other sponsor which dont have such thing at all,but dont convert yet this one could generate a lot of sales.
Also,sponsors rarely do anything when there is such complain,for example some offered xsales free links in affiliate control panel but not much sponsors did that.

But the thing is as soon as other monetization options pop up which you do not get credit for it tends to only get worse as the sponsor starts driving more sales to those options as they know they don't have to pay you your cut. You're providing traffic increasingly for free. Then as more sponsors do it your pockets are increasingly empty and before you know it, it's 2014 and due to various shit you're earning 5% from paysites now as what you did in 2004.

It's a bit like getting hired on at $30/hr to do a job and then slowly have them take your wages down to $1.50/hr using various tricks and excuses. If you stay employed there I guess that is on you.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by lucas131

i am trying to do clean and legit business, what other people in the industry are doing is not my business. i know there are good people around, so your words are not so accurate you know?

Are crosssales "legit"? - yup
Are upsells "legit"? - yup
Are member area upsells "legit" ?- yup
Are exit consoles "legit"? - yup

I would advise no one one to break any law of the country they reside in.

However when everyone thought blindlinks were bad , I had them , and so on and so forth over the last 17 years...etc etc etc...people bitched me out. I got rich , they now flip burgers.

You live by your set of morals , ethics ,and I will live by mine.

So therefore we are sorta in agreement

[baggg]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Are crosssales "legit"? - yup
Are upsells "legit"? - yup
Are member area upsells "legit" ?- yup
Are exit consoles "legit"? - yup

and than you come back and cry about tubes and file lockers
do you know why people use tubes or even pay for filelockers?because not even the lowest pirates will bang their cards

bangin cards like its 2004 with the bros, amirite?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by baggg

and than you come back and cry about tubes and file lockers
do you know why people use tubes or even pay for filelockers?because not even the lowest pirates will bang their cards

bangin cards like its 2004 with the bros, amirite?

ahhh a surfmaster that does not see the difference , and never will .

The world needs ditch diggers too.

And I have never cried about either tubes or filelockers lol..it is what it is...get it?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

CS, I think the point is more to share what is happening with other webmasters who may not know about it. That is kind of what these forums used to be about long ago mainly when it was affiliates here. You know the "program discussion" part? I for one appreciate the information although I knew already not to do business with them.

No, fair play - I'll give you that 100%... Its just that in my mind - certain programs - (No Names - No Pack Drill) have had an openly bad rep on GFY and elsewhere for ages....

So... It surprises me, that others are surprised themselves

( OK... I know that EVERYONE ISNT on GFY 24/7... But thats my gist )

[baggg]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

ahhh a surfmaster that does not see the difference , and never will .

The world needs ditch diggers too.

And I have never cried about either tubes or filelockers lol..it is what it is...get it?

Still better be called a "surfmaster" than be some 40yo fat fuck faggot whos only achivement is banging cards with other fat old fucks aka. "internet friends"

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I really don't get this kinda post... No dog in the fight either way, but if you don't like the way someone conducts business... Then perhaps don't just do biz with them to begin with? To use an analogy (Which is well known on GFY) if you get a job at McDonalds, and have a problem with things - Then you are free to go leave, and get a job at burger king... If you don't like them, then goto Wendy's or carls jr etc... OR start your own fast food chain and be your own boss....

The guy who constantly posts about taking a dump understands business better than most other people posting in this thread.
That facts explains the real problem better than any essay ever could.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The guy who constantly posts about taking a dump understands business better than most other people posting in this thread.
That facts explains the real problem better than any essay ever could.

but if you work at mc donalds, and find out that they are taking photos of you naked on toilets, you would just leave and say nothing to nobody? thats what we are talking here ...

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lucas131

but if you work at mc donalds, and find out that they are taking photos of you naked on toilets, you would just leave and say nothing to nobody? thats what we are talking here ...

If I worked at McDonalds and found out they took naked pictures of the toilets I would do two things:

1 - Find out if it is legal

2A - Figure out how to make a profit from it

OR

2B - Leave and figure out a better way to earn a living


* At no point would I stand in the bathroom screaming about how unfair the toilets have been

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The guy who constantly posts about taking a dump understands business better than most other people posting in this thread.
That facts explains the real problem better than any essay ever could.

Sorry... I just like poo...

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Sorry... I just like poo...

If the OP wrote that it would have had more value than this thread has had otherwise.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If I worked at McDonalds and found out they took naked pictures of the toilets I would do two things:

1 - Find out if it is legal

2A - Figure out how to make a profit from it

OR

2B - Leave and figure out a better way to earn a living


* At no point would I stand in the bathroom screaming about how unfair the toilets have been

yes? i would just make good proof and send it to newspaper or someone who will care ... and thats nice that people on the world are not thinking the same way

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by baggg

Still better be called a "surfmaster" than be some 40yo fat fuck faggot whos only achivement is banging cards with other fat old fucks aka. "internet friends"

Knowledge is not your strong point, huh ?

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lucas131

yes? i would just make good proof and send it to newspaper or someone who will care ... and thats nice that people on the world are not thinking the same way

A newspaper won't care... unless they believe it will help them sell more copies of the newspaper.
They will take your news about it and use the exact same 2 steps I suggested above.

1 Is printing a story about Lucas naked on the toilet in McDonalds legal
2A - How can we profit the most by printing that story?
2B - Is there something else we can do instead to profit more if we don't print that story.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by baggg

Still better be called a "surfmaster" than be some 40yo blahblahblah

The fact you think it's an added insult to include the age of 40 says a fuck of a lot about how little you know, as well as broadcasting the fact you are some idiot fresh out of school

I remember when I was a little kid and thought 40 was 'old', then I grew up and realised 40 is prime, especially when it comes to your earnings/biz experience/communication/sense

but hey, well done on announcing you still have the brains of an uneducated child

[First Person]

Relentless always pulls this kind of shit.. He reads the OP up to the part he doesn't agree with, then swoops in on this high horse to ask the 'real questions' about the affiliate doing their homework, etc. Then defends his websecure broclub with all this might and 120wpm of bullshit.

Then he makes a retarded analogy taking everything out of context -- which is like a distraction maneuver.

So, somehow now this thread is about the morality of McDonalds taking naked pictures of people shitting, and selling them. I guess. But WHO gets completely nude while shitting in a public toilet?

Anyway +1 for RUC shady as fuck sponsor.

[baggg]

Originally Posted by Jel

The fact you think it's an added insult to include the age of 40 says a fuck of a lot about how little you know, as well as broadcasting the fact you are some idiot fresh out of school

I remember when I was a little kid and thought 40 was 'old', then I grew up and realised 40 is prime, especially when it comes to your earnings/biz experience/communication/sense

but hey, well done on announcing you still have the brains of an uneducated child

Keep being delusional about 40+ being prime age
Looks like that comment got your little feelings as you didnt bother commenting on cardbanging and the issues.Way to keep deepthroating that old bro cock

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by First Person

Relentless always pulls this kind of shit.. He reads the OP up to the part he doesn't agree with, then swoops in on this high horse to ask the 'real questions' about the affiliate doing their homework, etc. Then defends his websecure broclub with all this might and 120wpm of bullshit. Then he makes a retarded analogy taking everything out of context -- which is like a distraction maneuver. So, somehow now this thread is about the morality of McDonalds taking naked pictures of people shitting, and selling them. I guess. But WHO gets completely nude while shitting in a public toilet?

1 - The 'retarded analogy' was posted by Lucas. I replied to his question.

2 - The 'real question' is the same every time. What is your net $/click?

3 - Apparently Lucas gets completely naked and fears he is being photographed. Hence his question.

4 - "Go to the program directly, focus on your $/click, and figure out how to do it better or monetize it best..." is hardly a 'high horse' to be on. It's common sense.

5 - GoFuckYourself

[Jel]

Originally Posted by baggg

Keep being delusional about 40+ being prime age
Looks like that comment got your little feelings as you didnt bother commenting on cardbanging and the issues.Way to keep deepthroating that old bro cock

when you grow up, you'll look back on that line of thinking and laugh

And I didn't bother commenting on the other 'issues' because you pulled some shit out of your ass, and made them into words on a forum. I just find it funny you think calling someone 40 is an insult - one day you'll understand why, and be in on the joke