So it seems Russia did not shoot the plane down

[halfpint]

Just comming on the news now that Russia did not shoot the plane down after all

[directfiesta]

A big silence... Not the type of news wanted.

[crockett]

Umm no one said Russia did. They said the pro Russian insurgents did. The question is was it Russian military personal fighting for the insurgents. There is no real question where the BUK system came from, it came from Russia, so the only other thing to find out, is if it was a pro Russian seperatist or trained Russian personal.

[CAHEK]

Ukraine government did it after all, bunch of scam there.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Ukraine government did it after all, bunch of scam there.

Yep, it's Ukraine then

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yep, it's Ukraine then

and someone has proof

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

and someone has proof

Someone somewhere knows, could have been an error by either side too, we will probably never know

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Someone somewhere knows, could have been an error by either side too, we will probably never know

this much change in discourse? either a crazy deal has been made, or someone has a bunch new info

[Buff]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Just comming on the news now that Russia did not shoot the plane down after all

Do you have a link?

[MaDalton]

who said Russia shot it down?

Drunk terrorist shot it down by accident.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

this much change in discourse? either a crazy deal has been made, or someone has a bunch new info

There are deals behind the scenes too e.g. "We won't blame you Putin if you turn a blind eye to Gaza'

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by crockett

Umm no one said Russia did. They said the pro Russian insurgents did. The question is was it Russian military personal fighting for the insurgents. There is no real question where the BUK system came from, it came from Russia, so the only other thing to find out, is if it was a pro Russian seperatist or trained Russian personal.

If u read the BBC news is says " No Links" to Russia

American intelligence officials on Tuesday said evidence suggested the rebels may have shot down the jet "by mistake", and that no direct link to Russia had been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28429161


Do you really think the world wants to fuck with Russia ? Nope they dont because they know Russia would put up a pretty good fight so of course this has "nothing" to do with Russia

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

There are deals behind the scenes too e.g. "We won't blame you Putin if you turn a blind eye to Gaza'

gaza? just 7 billion waiting to be drilled. it's a done deal

i believe this is about isis/syria/and how the US is now able to bomb both countries in efforts to 'kill the bad guys'.

curious, are we now on Assads side? or are they.. you know.. just going to shoot everyone now

[brassmonkey]

aliens shot it down

[evy97]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Just comming on the news now that Russia did not shoot the plane down after all

but... John Kerry saw it on YouTube

Some facts:
- rebels released the bodies and handed over the black boxes to Malaysian experts
- Ukrainians published fake youtube videos

- Russia has released satellite images and radar images showing the Ukraine military jet 2-3 km from MH17
- Americans didn't release anything

US Defense budget is $680 billion, maybe $100b for NSA, $5b more for NYPD, yet they have no idea who put up the white flags atop the Brooklyn Bridge. Obviously it is a tough ask for the US to show some satellite images about Ukr.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by evy97

yet they have no idea who put up the white flags atop the Brooklyn Bridge.

it wasn't conservative veterans as was posted this morning?

oh, no, bike lane advocates.. lol

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by halfpint

If u read the BBC news is says " No Links" to Russia

American intelligence officials on Tuesday said evidence suggested the rebels may have shot down the jet "by mistake", and that no direct link to Russia had been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28429161


Do you really think the world wants to fuck with Russia ? Nope they dont because they know Russia would put up a pretty good fight so of course this has "nothing" to do with Russia

Yeah, and another news site says the direct opposite:

U..S. officials say pro-Russian rebels were responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they now believe it's likely the rebels didn't know the plane was a commercial airliner when they opened fire, U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday.

The officials have determined that Russia bears some responsibility for the incident because of its support for the rebels, but they haven't been able to determine exactly who fired the missile, whether Russian military were at the site or whether the Russians were directly responsible for launching the missile.

And then, from the same article, the President of the United States says....

U.S. President Barack Obama, Cameron and others have said the pro-Russian rebels could not have shot down such a high-flying jet without weapons and training from Russia

Sorry, but they are "Russian backed separatists". Blame for ALL of this rests directly at the feet of Russia.

Originally Posted by halfpint

I


Do you really think the world wants to fuck with Russia?

Keep in mind Russia doesn't have a blue water navy now does it?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Just comming on the news now that Russia did not shoot the plane down after all

Say what? Terrorists/separatists did it. They admitted it even at the very first day. Where do we get all those people still questioning few days after the fact?

[Rochard]

Here's another news article, oddly enough from Fox news....

The officials also said Russia has continued to help the rebels after the downing, providing additional tanks and rocket launchers.

So this is now the US saying that Russia is moving rocket launchers and tanks in and out of Ukraine.

[mineistaken]

The only thing Putler's apologists can do now, pretend that BUK was not supplied by Russia. That I could understand coming from Putler's apologists.

[geeknik]

I don't remember anyone saying that Russia shot the plane down. I do remember the talking heads saying that Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine shot the plane down.

[wehateporn]

Ron Paul's perspective for the win!

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145985

[SuckOnThis]

Republicans can go back to admiring and becoming sexually aroused with more pics of a shirtless Putin riding ponies.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's another news article, oddly enough from Fox news....

The officials also said Russia has continued to help the rebels after the downing, providing additional tanks and rocket launchers.

So this is now the US saying that Russia is moving rocket launchers and tanks in and out of Ukraine.

and i am sure they can provide satellite images of that occuring.

so far, we have only seen the obsolete t-64s that the ukranians use, and then abandon to be left to be captured

all documented.

[xXXtesy10]

John Deiz

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

aliens shot it down

Alien Su-25

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

who said Russia shot it down?

Drunk terrorist shot it down by accident.

You are wrong, Sir. Western media say Putin did it personally



Others say, the plane just had wrong colors:

[BettingHandle]

U.S. Officials: Russia was not directly involved in shooting down plane.

[kittykatt]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

who said Russia shot it down?

Drunk terrorist shot it down by accident.

it was me?

[evy97]

U.S. PREPARES TO BLAME MH17 SHOOT DOWN ON UKRAINIAN ARMY ?DEFECTOR?

In an attempt to explain away the existence of evidence which shows Ukrainian troops firing the missile that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, Washington may be preparing to fix the intelligence by pinning the blame on a ?defector? in order to absolve Kiev.

As we reported on Monday, award winning former AP and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry was told by an intelligence source that the U.S. is in possession of images which show men dressed in Ukrainian Army uniforms operating the Buk missile system which shot down MH17.

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-prepares...army-defector/

Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.

In the absence of any proper investigation, media rhetoric over the last few days has firmly pointed the finger of blame for the downing of the aircraft on Russian-backed Ukrainian rebels, but Parry?s source tells a different story.

What I?ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.

http://www.infowars.com/whistleblowe...ing-down-mh17/

If proven accurate, such information would completely eviscerate Washington and Kiev?s already shaky narrative that Russian-backed separatist rebels were responsible for the attack.

The U.S. State Department now appears to be shifting the emphasis of its narrative to discount the possibility that Kiev itself was responsible for shooting down MH17. As the L.A. Times reported yesterday, ?U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 [anti-aircraft missile] was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.?

Blaming the incident on a ?defector? would allow the U.S. to explain why the culprit was wearing a Ukrainian Army uniform when he shot down the airliner.

?That statement about a possible ?defector? might explain why some analysts thought they saw soldiers in Ukrainian army uniforms tending to the missile battery in eastern Ukraine. But there is another obvious explanation that the U.S. intelligence community seems unwilling to accept: that the missile may have been launched by someone working for the Ukrainian military,? writes Parry, adding that, ?We may be seeing another case of the U.S. government ?fixing the intelligence? around a desired policy outcome, as occurred in the run-up to war with Iraq.?

Over the last 48 hours, the State Department?s narrative has been widely discredited because of Washington?s inability to provide hard evidence based on anything other than dubious social media posts and YouTube videos uploaded by the Ukrainian government.

During a remarkable exchange yesterday between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee backed Harf into a corner and forced her to tacitly acknowledge that the United States? case is entirely built on little more than alleged social media posts.

The U.S. later admitted that it had uncovered no evidence whatsoever that linked Russia directly to the attack.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by evy97

U.S. PREPARES TO BLAME MH17 SHOOT DOWN ON UKRAINIAN ARMY ?DEFECTOR?



http://www.infowars.com/u-s-prepares...army-defector/



http://www.infowars.com/whistleblowe...ing-down-mh17/

Why I'm not surprised?

[MrDeiz]

so true http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

[Antonio]

Nobody ever said that Russia shot it down and at least to me I doesn't make much of a difference who did. It was definitely a group of total idiots and now both sides are too busy trying to put a spin on the whole story.

And in general it's Ukraine's responsibility to keep their airspace safe and secure or redirect the planes if they can't. Which I'm guessing they started doing now.

[pornmasta]

All ukainians soldiers are drunk, ever

[evy97]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Nobody ever said that Russia shot it down

Ukrainians, americans - Kerry, Obama, british tabloids, american MSM.. yep, they are nobody.

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

so true http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

US always delivered satellite images of Russian troops at border to Ukraine, but why are there no satellite images of mh17?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by kittykatt

it was me?

Never try that joke at an airport

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by crockett

There is no real question where the BUK system came from, it came from Russia, so the only other thing to find out, is if it was a pro Russian seperatist or trained Russian personal.

The BUK system came from russia, because it was part of the Ukraine army, and have been so for a long time.

Some (2 or 3 it seems) were stolen by seperatists


It's not like Russia delivered BUK systems to seperatist rebels directly

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Antonio

And in general it's Ukraine's responsibility to keep their airspace safe and secure or redirect the planes if they can't.

Indeed. There must be no civilian flights over a war zone.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Some (2 or 3 it seems) were stolen by seperatists

"Stolen" is not a right word here. These BUK's were left (gifted) by the Ukrainian army to separatists w/o a fight. What a shame.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You are wrong, Sir. Western media say Putin did it personally

Several days back I am reading: Putin did, it, Russiansdid it, father of killed girl sent letter to Putin asking him why he killed her, etc...

Every relative intelligent person learned from before (incidents, wars ,staged events...) how cautious we should be in such situation. But, there are much more warmongers and blood thirsty sadists that were ready (and pretty happy about it), to blame Russia as soon as propagand machine went into offensive. That is very dangerous.

Anyway, I am just reading about two SU 25 jets downed...local media here (controlled by USA) nothing yet on western or Russian media. Any confirmation?

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index....a v_id=880040

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Seems legit

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Anyway, I am just reading about two SU 25 jets downed...local media here (controlled by USA) nothing yet on western or Russian media. Any confirmation?

Western media is very "slow" and "blind" in such situations. These are two major Russian news sources: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/23/07/2014/938413.shtml and http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/23/sy/ (use Google translate please).

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Western media is very "slow" and "blind" in such situations. These are two major Russian news sources: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/23/07/2014/938413.shtml and http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/23/sy/ (use Google translate please).

Yes, they need to check can they publish and how to serve news. Anyway, I am bookmarking these sites.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew