So it seems Russia did not shoot the plane down
 

Just comming on the news now that Russia did not shoot the plane down after all

A big silence... Not the type of news wanted.

Umm no one said Russia did. They said the pro Russian insurgents did. The question is was it Russian military personal fighting for the insurgents. There is no real question where the BUK system came from, it came from Russia, so the only other thing to find out, is if it was a pro Russian seperatist or trained Russian personal.

Ukraine government did it after all, bunch of scam there.

Yep, it's Ukraine then :2 cents:

and someone has proof

Someone somewhere knows, could have been an error by either side too, we will probably never know

this much change in discourse? either a crazy deal has been made, or someone has a bunch new info

Do you have a link?

who said Russia shot it down?

Drunk terrorist shot it down by accident.

There are deals behind the scenes too e.g. "We won't blame you Putin if you turn a blind eye to Gaza'

If u read the BBC news is says " No Links" to Russia

American intelligence officials on Tuesday said evidence suggested the rebels may have shot down the jet "by mistake", and that no direct link to Russia had been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28429161


Do you really think the world wants to fuck with Russia ? Nope they dont because they know Russia would put up a pretty good fight so of course this has "nothing" to do with Russia

gaza? just 7 billion waiting to be drilled. it's a done deal

i believe this is about isis/syria/and how the US is now able to bomb both countries in efforts to 'kill the bad guys'.

curious, are we now on Assads side? or are they.. you know.. just going to shoot everyone now

aliens shot it down:2 cents:

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/34168...-jet-plane.jpg

but... John Kerry saw it on YouTube :1orglaugh

Some facts:
- rebels released the bodies and handed over the black boxes to Malaysian experts
- Ukrainians published fake youtube videos

- Russia has released satellite images and radar images showing the Ukraine military jet 2-3 km from MH17
- Americans didn't release anything

US Defense budget is $680 billion, maybe $100b for NSA, $5b more for NYPD, yet they have no idea who put up the white flags atop the Brooklyn Bridge. Obviously it is a tough ask for the US to show some satellite images about Ukr.

it wasn't conservative veterans as was posted this morning?

oh, no, bike lane advocates.. lol

Yeah, and another news site says the direct opposite:

U..S. officials say pro-Russian rebels were responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they now believe it's likely the rebels didn't know the plane was a commercial airliner when they opened fire, U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday.

The officials have determined that Russia bears some responsibility for the incident because of its support for the rebels, but they haven't been able to determine exactly who fired the missile, whether Russian military were at the site or whether the Russians were directly responsible for launching the missile.

And then, from the same article, the President of the United States says....

U.S. President Barack Obama, Cameron and others have said the pro-Russian rebels could not have shot down such a high-flying jet without weapons and training from Russia

Sorry, but they are "Russian backed separatists". Blame for ALL of this rests directly at the feet of Russia.

Keep in mind Russia doesn't have a blue water navy now does it?

Say what? Terrorists/separatists did it. They admitted it even at the very first day. Where do we get all those people still questioning few days after the fact? :1orglaugh

Here's another news article, oddly enough from Fox news....

The officials also said Russia has continued to help the rebels after the downing, providing additional tanks and rocket launchers.

So this is now the US saying that Russia is moving rocket launchers and tanks in and out of Ukraine.

The only thing Putler's apologists can do now, pretend that BUK was not supplied by Russia. That I could understand coming from Putler's apologists.

I don't remember anyone saying that Russia shot the plane down. I do remember the talking heads saying that Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine shot the plane down.

Ron Paul's perspective for the win!

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145985

Republicans can go back to admiring and becoming sexually aroused with more pics of a shirtless Putin riding ponies. :1orglaugh

and i am sure they can provide satellite images of that occuring.

so far, we have only seen the obsolete t-64s that the ukranians use, and then abandon to be left to be captured

all documented.

John Deiz

Alien Su-25 :pimp

You are wrong, Sir. Western media say Putin did it personally :winkwink:

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i3HzL8dBck3c.jpg

Others say, the plane just had wrong colors:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...88250095_n.jpg

U.S. Officials: Russia was not directly involved in shooting down plane.

:1orglaugh it was me? :anon

U.S. PREPARES TO BLAME MH17 SHOOT DOWN ON UKRAINIAN ARMY ?DEFECTOR?

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-prepares...army-defector/

http://www.infowars.com/whistleblowe...ing-down-mh17/

Why I'm not surprised?

so true http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

Nobody ever said that Russia shot it down and at least to me I doesn't make much of a difference who did. It was definitely a group of total idiots and now both sides are too busy trying to put a spin on the whole story.

And in general it's Ukraine's responsibility to keep their airspace safe and secure or redirect the planes if they can't. Which I'm guessing they started doing now.

All ukainians soldiers are drunk, ever

Ukrainians, americans - Kerry, Obama, british tabloids, american MSM.. yep, they are nobody.

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US always delivered satellite images of Russian troops at border to Ukraine, but why are there no satellite images of mh17?

Never try that joke at an airport :winkwink:

The BUK system came from russia, because it was part of the Ukraine army, and have been so for a long time.

Some (2 or 3 it seems) were stolen by seperatists


It's not like Russia delivered BUK systems to seperatist rebels directly

Indeed. There must be no civilian flights over a war zone.

"Stolen" is not a right word here. These BUK's were left (gifted) by the Ukrainian army to separatists w/o a fight. What a shame.

Several days back I am reading: Putin did, it, Russiansdid it, father of killed girl sent letter to Putin asking him why he killed her, etc...

Every relative intelligent person learned from before (incidents, wars ,staged events...) how cautious we should be in such situation. But, there are much more warmongers and blood thirsty sadists that were ready (and pretty happy about it), to blame Russia as soon as propagand machine went into offensive. That is very dangerous.

Anyway, I am just reading about two SU 25 jets downed...local media here (controlled by USA) nothing yet on western or Russian media. Any confirmation?

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index....a v_id=880040

Seems legit :thumbsup

Western media is very "slow" and "blind" in such situations. These are two major Russian news sources: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/23/07/2014/938413.shtml and http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/23/sy/ (use Google translate please).

Yes, they need to check can they publish and how to serve news. Anyway, I am bookmarking these sites.

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