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wehateporn · 07-19-2014, 03:29 PM

http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/

Here?s the spin war verdict: the current Malaysian Airlines tragedy ? the second in four months ? is ?terrorism? perpetrated by ?pro-Russian separatists? armed by Russia and Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary ?We came, we saw, he died? Clinton said so. Because crazy Samantha ?R2P? Power said so ? thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post.

Because Anglo-American corporate media ? from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) ? said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

Right off the bat they were all lined up ? the invariably hysterical reams of ?experts? of the ?US intelligence community? literally foaming at their palatial mouths at ?evil? Russia and ?evil? Putin; intel ?experts? who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced; they don?t need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

It doesn?t matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And ?objectively? certainly does not mean that fictional ?international community? notion construed by Washington ? the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.
And what about Carlos?

A simple search reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days ? and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication had MH17 received from the Kiev air control tower?

Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

It won?t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation as to why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.

The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17?s crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft.

Radiation from a battery?s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk] was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17?s flight path.

The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles (80km). MH17 was flying at 500mph. So assuming the ?rebels? had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high.

For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

And then there?s the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev?s tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he?s never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account ? not accidentally ? has been shut down and he has disappeared. His friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online. And now copies and an English translation are available.

Continued http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/

CAHEK · 07-19-2014, 03:33 PM

Avoiding War Zones Is Jets? Best Anti-Missile Option

oppoten · 07-19-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK

Avoiding War Zones Is Jets? Best Anti-Missile Option

yep

brassmonkey · 07-19-2014, 03:45 PM

stop the lies

crockett · 07-19-2014, 03:54 PM

Enter the grand conspiracy wizards here to save and enlighten us all.. Never mind the rebels claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military cargo plane.. Nope, that was just a CIA ploy to fool us all.

CPA-Rush · 07-19-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

stop the lies

sandman! · 07-20-2014, 12:22 AM

would love to see the proof that the rebels claimed to shoot it down.

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Originally Posted by crockett

Enter the grand conspiracy wizards here to save and enlighten us all.. Never mind the rebels claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military cargo plane.. Nope, that was just a CIA ploy to fool us all.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-20-2014, 05:42 AM

This would almost be funny if it were not for almost 300 people dead who had no stake in the Ukraine - Russia - EU/NATO conflicts/confrontation.

When remains of the missile are recovered the manufacturer of that missile may become known.

Who shot the missile will never be proven beyond doubt. FYI, bombers have countermeasures and fighter/bombers are made to evade SAM missile systems. So, that leaves only lower flying aircraft as actionable military threats -- no high altitude bombers are being used in the theatre of operations (yet) -- you don't need SAMs to bring down helicopters and troop transport planes. Putin is getting paranoid in his delusional NATO invasion of "Mother Russia" and in his delusion supplied the missile.

If the ''spooks'' get involved it is now after the fact. Be careful what you ask for -- you may just get it ...

Meantime, RT is on my shitlist along with other obvious propaganda tools ...

Joshua G · 07-20-2014, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Enter the grand conspiracy wizards here to save and enlighten us all.. Never mind the rebels claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military cargo plane.. Nope, that was just a CIA ploy to fool us all.

very sad to see how you just accept certain information like its a fact. so do you read russian & do you surf ukrainian resistance social media or are you just parroting the stuff that comes out of big 6 media.

pfft.

brassmonkey · 07-20-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

would love to see the proof that the rebels claimed to have shot it down.

why would they shoot down a commercial plane? someones military should have been on scene to get proof within the hour of the crash.

crockett · 07-20-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

would love to see the proof that the rebels claimed to shoot it down.

Google is a very easy tool to use.. Screen shots of the VK.com page in question are all over the net.

crockett · 07-20-2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

very sad to see how you just accept certain information like its a fact. so do you read russian & do you surf ukrainian resistance social media or are you just parroting the stuff that comes out of big 6 media.

pfft.

Funny that you just accept as fact that it's not true because you don't want to believe it. The rebels posted about it before it was even broke as national news. They then delegated it but copies of the cached page are still out there to easily be found.

What is very sad, is that you think everything g you disagree with is a conspiracy.

ctggls · 07-20-2014, 09:56 AM

Great, posting from a Russian news site... 100% accurate information

brassmonkey · 07-20-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ctggls

Great, posting from a Russian news site... 0% accurate information

Joshua G · 07-20-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Funny that you just accept as fact that it's not true because you don't want to believe it. The rebels posted about it before it was even broke as national news. They then delegated it but copies of the cached page are still out there to easily be found.

What is very sad, is that you think everything g you disagree with is a conspiracy.

sorry. my words were too strong.

its not that i dont want to believe it, or not. I havent posted on this situation because so few people know the facts. The media is having such a hay of reporting all kinds of bullocks that im not even attempting to follow it all. I dont know what rebels wrote before the crash, & neither do you. difference being is i dont talk as if i know what happened when i dont.

but its impossible to say whose wrong or right about anything with this disaster. The whole area is a clusterfuck & all sides have reasons to lie.

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

sorry. my words were too strong.

its not that i dont want to believe it, or not. I havent posted on this situation because so few people know the facts. The media is having such a hay of reporting all kinds of bullocks that im not even attempting to follow it all. I dont know what rebels wrote before the crash, & neither do you. difference being is i dont talk as if i know what happened when i dont.

but its impossible to say whose wrong or right about anything with this disaster. The whole area is a clusterfuck & all sides have reasons to lie.

+1 . Rarely reasonable answer.

Joshua G · 07-20-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Google is a very easy tool to use.. Screen shots of the VK.com page in question are all over the net.

OK. i still withhold judgement on the accuracy of such things. call me a conspiracy kook all you like. but web pages to me are something easily hacked, changed etc, & people with interest in perpetuating war in this region, like arms dealers, mafia, can be shaping the narrative. isnt the russian region the epicenter of global hacking? How do we know as a fact that ukranian interests do not have access to this missile?

I believe more facts need to be revealed before fingers are pointed. thats just IMO.

07-19-2014, 03:29 PM	#1
wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,176	It was Putin?s missile? http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/ Here?s the spin war verdict: the current Malaysian Airlines tragedy ? the second in four months ? is ?terrorism? perpetrated by ?pro-Russian separatists? armed by Russia and Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up. Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary ?We came, we saw, he died? Clinton said so. Because crazy Samantha ?R2P? Power said so ? thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. Because Anglo-American corporate media ? from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) ? said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place. Right off the bat they were all lined up ? the invariably hysterical reams of ?experts? of the ?US intelligence community? literally foaming at their palatial mouths at ?evil? Russia and ?evil? Putin; intel ?experts? who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced; they don?t need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle. It doesn?t matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And ?objectively? certainly does not mean that fictional ?international community? notion construed by Washington ? the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies. And what about Carlos? A simple search reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days ? and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication had MH17 received from the Kiev air control tower? Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever. It won?t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation as to why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion. The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17?s crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft. Radiation from a battery?s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk] was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17?s flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles (80km). MH17 was flying at 500mph. So assuming the ?rebels? had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high. For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here. And then there?s the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev?s tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he?s never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account ? not accidentally ? has been shut down and he has disappeared. His friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online. And now copies and an English translation are available. Continued http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/ __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	This would almost be funny if it were not for almost 300 people dead who had no stake in the Ukraine - Russia - EU/NATO conflicts/confrontation. When remains of the missile are recovered the manufacturer of that missile may become known. Who shot the missile will never be proven beyond doubt. FYI, bombers have countermeasures and fighter/bombers are made to evade SAM missile systems. So, that leaves only lower flying aircraft as actionable military threats -- no high altitude bombers are being used in the theatre of operations (yet) -- you don't need SAMs to bring down helicopters and troop transport planes. Putin is getting paranoid in his delusional NATO invasion of "Mother Russia" and in his delusion supplied the missile. If the ''spooks'' get involved it is now after the fact. Be careful what you ask for -- you may just get it ... Meantime, RT is on my shitlist along with other obvious propaganda tools ...

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