News Saudi Arabia deploys 30,000 soldiers to border with Iraq: al-Arabiya TV

[brassmonkey]

DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has deployed 30,000 soldiers to its border with Iraq after Iraqi soldiers withdrew from the area, Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television said on Thursday.

The world's top oil exporter shares an 800-km (500-mile) border with Iraq, where Islamic State insurgents and other Sunni Muslim militant groups seized towns and cities in a lightning advance last month.

King Abdullah has ordered all necessary measures to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats", state news agency SPA reported on Thursday.

The Dubai-based al-Arabiya said on its website that Saudi troops fanned into the border region after Iraqi government forces abandoned positions, leaving the Saudi and Syrian frontiers unprotected.

The satellite channel said it had obtained a video showing some 2,500 Iraqi soldiers in the desert area east of the Iraqi city of Karbala after pulling back from the border.

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[bronco67]

It's a hornet's nest. We need to stay the fuck out of this mess. I'm with Rand Paul on this one.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It's a hornet's nest. We need to stay the fuck out of this mess. I'm with Rand Paul on this one.

i second this

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It's a hornet's nest. We need to stay the fuck out of this mess. I'm with Rand Paul on this one.

I third this



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[Rochard]

It is a mess. And on hand I think we should stay out. On the other hand, if we stay out and this kind of country / government becomes the new standard in the middle east... How will that effect us twenty years from now?

Seems the UK is already having a lot of problems.

[beerptrol]

we created this mess when we over threw Saddam

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

we created this mess when we over threw Saddam

the bush family father and son

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

we created this mess when we over threw Saddam

Bull dukie. This mess was created decades ago when the British divided up the middle east with a straight edge ruler after the fall of the ottoman empire. They gave no thought to the different cultures and tribes that they were just arbitrarily throwing together into a "country". Iraq should really be three separate countries, for example.




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[Barry-xlovecam]

The KSA -- Kingdom of Saudi Arabia v. The Caliphate of Iraq (ISIS[ISIL])

What is this the fucking Middle Ages? (With jets and tanks.)

[GregE]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Bull dukie. This mess was created decades ago when the British divided up the middle east with a straight edge ruler after the fall of the ottoman empire. They gave no thought to the different cultures and tribes that they were just arbitrarily throwing together into a "country". Iraq should really be three separate countries, for example.:

The British (and the French and the others) did the same in Africa too.

But be that as it may, Saddam kept a lid on things in his country.

Bush Sr. was smart enough to recognize that.. his son not so much.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It's a hornet's nest. We need to stay the fuck out of this mess. I'm with Rand Paul on this one.

Originally Posted by TampaToker

i second this

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I third this

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do you see a forest, or some trees?

[seeandsee]

what the fuck is going on there now?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Coming up next: Babylon v. the Amorites

http://www.ancient.eu.com/amorite/

[DerekMister33]

Agree we should stay out of this mess! Leave it to them.

[Robbie]

I hear the Philistines are about to launch an attack next. And they have some big guy named "Goliath"

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I hear the Philistines are about to launch an attack next. And they have some big guy named "Goliath"

what?? this is real war

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

what?? this is real war

it's beyond a 'real war'

http://www.khaama.com/reported-isis-...-in-mecca-6337

'Reported ISIS member vows to destroy Kaaba in Mecca'

'The remark has reportedly came from an ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi who has written in a Tweet message, ?If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.?'

no precedent for this. ever.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it's beyond a 'real war'

http://www.khaama.com/reported-isis-...-in-mecca-6337

'Reported ISIS member vows to destroy Kaaba in Mecca'

'The remark has reportedly came from an ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi who has written in a Tweet message, ?If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.?'

no precedent for this. ever.

Sure there is - The Taliban in Afghanistan. Once they came into power they started blowing up statues and what not...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure there is - The Taliban in Afghanistan. Once they came into power they started blowing up statues and what not...

yea the buddas of bramiyan or something? fascists and communists enjoy this game too.. however, going after 'idols' within ones own religion? Mecca? that's crazy.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's crazy.

Yep. That pretty much sums up the people in the Middle Eastern nations at this point in time.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. That pretty much sums up the people in the Middle Eastern nations at this point in time.

it does? i suppose to the average tv viewer, sure,

for the rest of us, however, we have been reading the very available online material that outlines, quite clearly, this has very little to do with 'the culture', and more to do with 'what happens when you give bad men a lot of money, weapons, and people to kill'

this, fine sir, sums us up.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. That pretty much sums up the people in the Middle Eastern nations at this point in time.

other countries are after the resources. super powers

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

other countries are after the resources. super powers

noooo bad evil muslims! look at how they kill each other!

its on the news all the time!

and tv never lies

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

noooo bad evil muslims! look at how they kill each other!

its on the news all the time!

and tv never lies

things like religion can be manipulated oh man GOD is good. north korea and south they tried in vietnam those fuckers said hell no!

[Robbie]

Richard, before you go too far out there...these people have been killing each other for thousands of years. It didn't just start.

I know that we Westerner's like to believe the universe rotates around us. But these people have killed each other for longer than any of our countries have even been in existence.

I agree we should NEVER have armed these people. And the USA is always trying to stick it's nose in everybody's business.

But history shows what that region's people do. It IS in there culture. Which is why it was retarded to get involved there in the first place.

You can't try to judge them based on our way of thinking. It doesn't work. That's why our "MidEast Policy" always fails.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

things like religion can be manipulated oh man GOD is good. north korea and south they tried in vietnam those fuckers said hell no!

yea fuck those evil backwards 'skyman' peeps

we're civilized now!

we kill people for money and cheezies and shit

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It is a mess. And on hand I think we should stay out. On the other hand, if we stay out and this kind of country / government becomes the new standard in the middle east... How will that effect us twenty years from now?

Seems the UK is already having a lot of problems.

Let's see, the UK's "problems" are all from countries they raided.
So raid them again right?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Richard, before you go too far out there...these people have been killing each other for thousands of years. It didn't just start.

That's true for every group of people on the planet.

[crockett]

The Middle East is prime example of what religion does to countries if left to run amok. The Middle East at one point had the most advanced civilizations on this planet however the fact that they revolved around their religious beliefs never allowed them to move very far away from the stone ages.

The advances of Europe, America came because we realized when to sideline the religious kooks. You can bet your ass if the West hadn't tamed the churches we would also be locked in the stone ages with those in the Middle East.

This should be reason alone to vote any fucker out of office that caters to the religious loonies above all else.

[Destiny]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it does? i suppose to the average tv viewer, sure,

for the rest of us, however, we have been reading the very available online material that outlines, quite clearly, this has very little to do with 'the culture', and more to do with 'what happens when you give bad men a lot of money, weapons, and people to kill'

this, fine sir, sums us up.

Please try to restrain yourself from adding your two bit knowledge to subject matters you know nothing about.

'i suppose to the average tv viewer, sure'

[Mutt]

wrong account

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

The Middle East is prime example of what religion does to countries if left to run amok. The Middle East at one point had the most advanced civilizations on this planet however the fact that they revolved around their religious beliefs never allowed them to move very far away from the stone ages.

The advances of Europe, America came because we realized when to sideline the religious kooks. You can bet your ass if the West hadn't tamed the churches we would also be locked in the stone ages with those in the Middle East.

This should be reason alone to vote any fucker out of office that caters to the religious loonies above all else.

You sure left out a lot of history of other nations running things in the middle east and all the violence created by that.



But then again it was God who spoke to George Bush before shock and awe, so uh, never mind.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You sure left out a lot of history of other nations running things in the middle east and all the violence created by that.



But then again it was God who spoke to George Bush before shock and awe, so uh, never mind.

You missed the point, being they were at one time more advanced than the countries whom latter went on to "run things". Had they advanced past religious rule like the west did, then it's a pretty good chance that the Middle East could have been as strong or maybe even stronger than the west is today.

The simple fact is their populations were kept dumbed down which made them easier to rule. Had their populations been aloud to break free of their religious chains they would have most likely been much more advanced today.

This should be a warning to what can happen even to this country if politicians are aloud to dumb down our populace by pushing religious agendas as which is so popular with the right wing today.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by crockett

The Middle East is prime example of what religion does to countries if left to run amok. The Middle East at one point had the most advanced civilizations on this planet however the fact that they revolved around their religious beliefs never allowed them to move very far away from the stone age

Not really true, in the entire history of the Middle East, its greatest heights were reached under Islam. They led the world in science and medicine, education and scholarship, extremely worldly nothing like what we think of them today. Jews were treated with respect in the Islamic world.

The Crusades and then Ghengis Khan brought the end to the golden age of Islam.

The discovery of oil to me is the worst thing that ever happened to the Arab world.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

You missed the point, being they were at one time more advanced than the countries whom latter went on to "run things". Had they advanced past religious rule like the west did, then it's a pretty good chance that the Middle East could have been as strong or maybe even stronger than the west is today.

The simple fact is their populations were kept dumbed down which made them easier to rule. Had their populations been aloud to break free of their religious chains they would have most likely been much more advanced today.

This should be a warning to what can happen even to this country if politicians are aloud to dumb down our populace by pushing religious agendas as which is so popular with the right wing today.

Dude, we have God printed on our money.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Not really true, in the entire history of the Middle East, its greatest heights were reached under Islam. They led the world in science and medicine, education and scholarship, extremely worldly nothing like what we think of them today. Jews were treated with respect in the Islamic world.

The Crusades and then Ghengis Khan brought the end to the golden age of Islam.

The discovery of oil to me is the worst thing that ever happened to the Arab world.

Nope.

He's right.

The Sumerians in what is now Iraq were the first true civilization.

Here is a recent quote about them:
Sumerologist Samuel Noah Kramer asserts "No people has contributed more to the culture of mankind than the Sumerians" and yet it is only comparatively recently that we have built up a knowledge of the existence of this ancient culture.

They were THE most advanced civilization of their time.

I would also point out that a couple of thousand years later a group known as EGYPTIANS were the greatest civilization on Earth.

So no...make that HELL NO...they haven't been at their "height" with Islam.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope.

He's right.

The Sumerians in what is now Iraq were the first true civilization.

Here is a recent quote about them:
Sumerologist Samuel Noah Kramer asserts "No people has contributed more to the culture of mankind than the Sumerians" and yet it is only comparatively recently that we have built up a knowledge of the existence of this ancient culture.

They were THE most advanced civilization of their time.

I would also point out that a couple of thousand years later a group known as EGYPTIANS were the greatest civilization on Earth.

So no...make that HELL NO...they haven't been at their "height" with Islam.

Sumerians were 2,000 years before the birth of Islam. You can't compare the two, you might as well compare us today to the Romans.

The origin of the hate filled divide between Sunnis and Shi'ites was a dispute over the succession when Muhammad died. So ridiculous it makes you cry - human beings killing each other over different interpretations of a fairy tale they both believe is real.

We shouldn't be involved with their internal wars, no doubt we make things worse by taking sides when it's to our political and economic advantage. But those who think we are the cause, we didn't start the fire and if we left them alone for 100 years they'd still be killing each other and for no reason whatsoever still want Israel obliterated. Hate is a way of life there, always be needing to hate somebody and blame their problems on.

Meanwhile a small percentage of them live like kings on the trillions of dollars of oil money while the people live in ignorance and poverty. A friend who has been over there tried to tell me how large and affluent the middle class is in Saudi Arabia.

[Robbie]

That's what crockett was saying Mutt.

That part of the world was once THE most advanced. They should be thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world if not for religion dumbing them down. That was the whole point.

[NewOldPlayer]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Bull dukie. This mess was created decades ago when the British divided up the middle east with a straight edge ruler after the fall of the ottoman empire. They gave no thought to the different cultures and tribes that they were just arbitrarily throwing together into a "country". Iraq should really be three separate countries, for example.




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This MESS was created when morons wrote the Koran, the Torah and the Bible. The rest is all incidental. We'll be paying for the ignorance of those authors until the Earth stops spinning. Religion is the true downfall of mankind. We'll never progress as long as we keep brainwashing our children with religious bullshit.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Dude, we have God printed on our money.

But we have freedom of choice,to worship or not too. In the ME in most places if you are anything other than a kneeling on your knees 3 or 4 times a day Muslim, well you have a good chance of being killed.

Religion's entire purpose is to dumb people down in order to control them.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's what crockett was saying Mutt.

That part of the world was once THE most advanced. They should be thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world if not for religion dumbing them down. That was the whole point.

Pretty much, I mean if you look at the head start they had, over Europe, they likely could have been the top dog coming into the modern era when you consider how much money they had with all the oil.

I won't say religion was always a bad thing as it was a useful tool during colonization, but as man progressed into the modern era, the west didn't let religion hold it back like those in the Middle East did.

[crockett]

For anyone whom thinks this can't happen in the good ole USA.. This was Afghanistan in the 50's and 60's.. In a little over 50 years they went from being a country in the middle of a industrial revolution with "normal" people, to what we have today, which is a ass backwards country that seems barely out of the stone ages.

http://imgur.com/a/m1LAs?gallery

Let the religious extremist keep pushing their way into power because you want cheap taxes and you will ruin this country.