Paysite owners -- what percentage of your members are women? - GoFuckYourself.com

Groove · 03-07-2003, 10:19 PM

I've heard anecdotal evidence that 10-20% of 4men paysite members are actually women. I was recently told by the Suicide Girls webmaster that 50% of their members are female which is obviously extremely high. What's the percentage at your site?

drunkdollars · 03-07-2003, 10:22 PM

Wow 50% is crazy but suicide girls is a different kind of site

NetRodent · 03-07-2003, 10:23 PM

We don't ask our customers what gender they are. However in the past when we estimated gender break down by the billing name we saw that about 30% of our memberships were from female names.

sweetums · 03-07-2003, 10:28 PM

Hard to say actually....most paysites catering to men don't gather demographic info from their members when they sign up -- like sex. Most don't even have little surveys running to gather that info...

In most cases, the only way to tell is by the name of the CC holder that's joined. Even then you can't claim that it's solo women that are joining -- you've got couples and the ever-elusive bf/husband/roommate/son who uses their gf/wife/roommate/mom's CC to sign up....

NetRodent · 03-07-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by sweetums
Hard to say actually....most paysites catering to men don't gather demographic info from their members when they sign up -- like sex. Most don't even have little surveys running to gather that info...

In most cases, the only way to tell is by the name of the CC holder that's joined. Even then you can't claim that it's solo women that are joining -- you've got couples and the ever-elusive bf/husband/roommate/son who uses their gf/wife/roommate/mom's CC to sign up....

I think we get our information from many of the same sources.

Groove · 03-07-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by sweetums
Hard to say actually....most paysites catering to men don't gather demographic info from their members when they sign up -- like sex. Most don't even have little surveys running to gather that info...

In most cases, the only way to tell is by the name of the CC holder that's joined. Even then you can't claim that it's solo women that are joining -- you've got couples and the ever-elusive bf/husband/roommate/son who uses their gf/wife/roommate/mom's CC to sign up....

Sure, I realize most sites won't have totally reliable break-downs. But I'd still be very interested in educated guesses

For example, I suspect that the CC holder names *is* a decent rough-and-ready indicator of female membership, as the female CC names who are actually male members should be more than balanced by the male CC names who are actually women. If anything the number of female CC names is probably less than the actual number of women viewing the site because a fair chunk of those male names will be couples.

chupacabra · 03-07-2003, 10:51 PM

on a related side note, we've found on an average that at least 70% of our chargebacks would come from female names, all claiming fraud..

ronin · 03-07-2003, 10:58 PM

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by the billing name we saw that about 30% of our memberships were from female names. [/B]

ya, the men who use wife/girlfriend credit card.
from what we see on our sites about 10%.

ronin · 03-07-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
on a related side note, we've found on an average that at least 70% of our chargebacks would come from female names, all claiming fraud..

No honey, NOT ME...

BritishTwinks · 03-08-2003, 03:25 AM

Our gay sites get a lot of female members. They write in with more feedback than the guys too.

UnseenWorld · 03-08-2003, 03:53 AM

I don't ask the members of my pay site their sex. I think they probably want to maintain as much privacy as possible.

Rich · 03-08-2003, 03:57 AM

I think any numbers you hear are probably inflated at least a little by basly guys using their wife or girlfriend's card to join.

phogirl69 · 03-08-2003, 04:11 AM

I've joined tons of paysites, but paysite owners can't tell I'm a female because I have a foreign name! My name isn't a typical name Lisa or Mary Ann, I'm asian and my parents gave me the most messed up sounding, ugliest, hard to pronounce name ever

I never use my real name and no one calls me by my real name in real life ( I have a nickname) except on all my legal docs, birth certificate, credit card and so forth...

.:Frog:. · 03-08-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
on a related side note, we've found on an average that at least 70% of our chargebacks would come from female names, all claiming fraud..

Those are probably guys using their partners CC. Busted when the bill arrived.

lil2rich4u2 · 03-08-2003, 04:39 AM

i agree men are the hornier of the 2.

Here is a snap of my stats from redpersonals.com ... youll see majority of my joins are from men!! almost ALL of them!!!

<img src="http://www.pleasuredvds.com/delete/stats.jpg">

lil2rich4u2 · 03-08-2003, 04:40 AM

oops, forgot to say how to tell, lol

at top of table, it says M | F | C

M = male
F = female
C = couple

lil2rich4u2 · 03-08-2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I don't ask the members of my pay site their sex. I think they probably want to maintain as much privacy as possible.

good point.

may be worth it just to put a silent poll on there somewhere like "annonomysly tell us if your male or female" with 2 little check box.

this might help target your existing members better and increase retention

Groove · 03-08-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I don't ask the members of my pay site their sex. I think they probably want to maintain as much privacy as possible.

There probably aren't many paysites asking the gender of their members, however the name on the credit cards should give a rough idea of the gender breakdown. As I said earlier in this thread:

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Sure, I realize most sites won't have totally reliable break-downs. But I'd still be very interested in educated guesses For example, I suspect that the CC holder names *is* a decent rough-and-ready indicator of female membership, as the female CC names who are actually male members should be more than balanced by the male CC names who are actually women. If anything the number of female CC names is probably less than the actual number of women viewing the site because a fair chunk of those male names will be couples.

If the percentage of females members is significant (and my guess is that it's at least 10% for most sites) it would be well-worthwhile taking that into consideration when selling a site and when tuning it for member retention.

Plus it would also suggest that there's a massive untapped opportunity in terms of marketing porn directly to women, who are afterall about half of the online population!

Groove · 03-08-2003, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
i agree men are the hornier of the 2.

Here is a snap of my stats from redpersonals.com ... youll see majority of my joins are from men!! almost ALL of them!!!

<img src="http://www.pleasuredvds.com/delete/stats.jpg">

Actually in order to know whether this showed that men were the horniest you'd first need to know what percentage of your referrals were men and what percentage were women. It may be that you're referring 30 males for every one female. And it that were the case it might suggest that they're equally horny!

BTW, I have no doubt whatsoever that men are more interested in porn than women

I simply find it intriguing that male-oriented porn sites might be attracting 10-20% (or more!) female members. And if that is the case, I suspect that adult web masters have drastically underestimated the potential for 4women porn!

lil2rich4u2 · 03-08-2003, 05:37 AM

your logic is correct

my traffic is 100% personals toplist targetted, but i have no way of telling whats being referred to my site

Que? · 03-08-2003, 07:32 AM

I estimated 5 % when i had a more mixed content. When i niched towards teen the female members kind of disapeard...

Interlude · 03-08-2003, 09:35 AM

I think I can remember 5-6 female names showing up over the course of 5 years, so not a lot.

EscortBiz · 03-08-2003, 10:15 AM

not many females, but 50% of all bogus checks used have female names lol

lil2rich4u2 · 03-08-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
not many females, but 50% of all bogus checks used have female names lol

thats interesting, i wonder why

sworld · 03-08-2003, 11:08 AM

20% of our members are female and about 10% our couples. One thing is for sure...women have great credit and their cards are usually not declined. Yes, there are a few that call and dispute charges but most of them pay their bills.

We love female customers!

Groove · 03-08-2003, 07:30 PM

OK, so far we have the percentage of female CC names used for memberships at 4MEN pornsites as:

SuicideGirls - 50%.
NetRodent - 30%.
ronin - 10%.
Que? - 5%.
Interlude - hardly any.
sworld - 20%.

That's an average of 19%!

Anyone else want to contribute some numbers?

ZoiNk · 03-08-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Groove
OK, so far we have the percentage of female CC names used for memberships at 4MEN pornsites as:

SuicideGirls - 50%.
NetRodent - 30%.
ronin - 10%.
Que? - 5%.
Interlude - hardly any.
sworld - 20%.

That's an average of 19%!

Anyone else want to contribute some numbers?

Suicide girls isn't your average paysite though, that # shouldn't be included.
ZoiNk

Groove · 03-08-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by ZoiNk

Suicide girls isn't your average paysite though, that # shouldn't be included.
ZoiNk

That's a fair enough comment

So the current tally without SG is 13%.

DyannaDoes · 03-09-2003, 02:22 AM

I was always at roughly 20%, just going off names. But in the amateur market the percentage is a little higher, especially if you are promoting a bi woman

Socks · 03-09-2003, 02:26 AM

We did a poll on ASS a few months back, had around 350 responses, and we *think* it was around 13% that chose female.

Groove · 03-09-2003, 06:46 PM

The current tally is:

NetRodent - 30%.
ronin - 10%.
Que? - 5%.
Interlude - hardly any.
sworld - 20%.
DyannaDoes - 20%.
Socks (ASS) - 13%

That's an average of 14%.

Anyone else got some numbers to contribute?

If 4men paysites have an everage 14% female membership. I think that speaks volumes for the potential profitability of sites designed specifically for women!

03-07-2003, 10:19 PM	#1
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	Paysite owners -- what percentage of your members are women? I've heard anecdotal evidence that 10-20% of 4men paysite members are actually women. I was recently told by the Suicide Girls webmaster that 50% of their members are female which is obviously extremely high. What's the percentage at your site?

03-07-2003, 10:22 PM	#2
drunkdollars Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Club Drunk Posts: 2,734	Wow 50% is crazy but suicide girls is a different kind of site __________________ SIGS ARE GAY 98055668 icq

03-07-2003, 10:23 PM	#3
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	We don't ask our customers what gender they are. However in the past when we estimated gender break down by the billing name we saw that about 30% of our memberships were from female names. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

03-07-2003, 10:28 PM	#4
sweetums Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Icy Hellish Tundra Posts: 2,534	Hard to say actually....most paysites catering to men don't gather demographic info from their members when they sign up -- like sex. Most don't even have little surveys running to gather that info... In most cases, the only way to tell is by the name of the CC holder that's joined. Even then you can't claim that it's solo women that are joining -- you've got couples and the ever-elusive bf/husband/roommate/son who uses their gf/wife/roommate/mom's CC to sign up.... __________________ ICQ: 114549321

03-08-2003, 03:25 AM	#10
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03-07-2003, 10:51 PM	#7
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	on a related side note, we've found on an average that at least 70% of our chargebacks would come from female names, all claiming fraud..

03-08-2003, 03:53 AM	#11
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	I don't ask the members of my pay site their sex. I think they probably want to maintain as much privacy as possible. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-08-2003, 03:57 AM	#12
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	I think any numbers you hear are probably inflated at least a little by basly guys using their wife or girlfriend's card to join.

03-08-2003, 04:11 AM	#13
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	I've joined tons of paysites, but paysite owners can't tell I'm a female because I have a foreign name! My name isn't a typical name Lisa or Mary Ann, I'm asian and my parents gave me the most messed up sounding, ugliest, hard to pronounce name ever I never use my real name and no one calls me by my real name in real life ( I have a nickname) except on all my legal docs, birth certificate, credit card and so forth...

03-08-2003, 04:39 AM	#15
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	i agree men are the hornier of the 2. Here is a snap of my stats from redpersonals.com ... youll see majority of my joins are from men!! almost ALL of them!!! <img src="http://www.pleasuredvds.com/delete/stats.jpg"> __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

03-08-2003, 04:40 AM	#16
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	oops, forgot to say how to tell, lol at top of table, it says M \| F \| C M = male F = female C = couple __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

03-08-2003, 05:37 AM	#20
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	your logic is correct my traffic is 100% personals toplist targetted, but i have no way of telling whats being referred to my site __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

03-08-2003, 07:32 AM	#21
Que? Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 340	I estimated 5 % when i had a more mixed content. When i niched towards teen the female members kind of disapeard... __________________ Send ccia out to deep space:<br> Donate to <a href="http://www.impai.org/">IMPA</a>

03-08-2003, 09:35 AM	#22
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	I think I can remember 5-6 female names showing up over the course of 5 years, so not a lot.

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03-08-2003, 11:08 AM	#25
sworld Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 512	20% of our members are female and about 10% our couples. One thing is for sure...women have great credit and their cards are usually not declined. Yes, there are a few that call and dispute charges but most of them pay their bills. We love female customers!

03-08-2003, 07:30 PM	#26
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	OK, so far we have the percentage of female CC names used for memberships at 4MEN pornsites as: SuicideGirls - 50%. NetRodent - 30%. ronin - 10%. Que? - 5%. Interlude - hardly any. sworld - 20%. That's an average of 19%! Anyone else want to contribute some numbers?

03-09-2003, 02:22 AM	#29
DyannaDoes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 212	I was always at roughly 20%, just going off names. But in the amateur market the percentage is a little higher, especially if you are promoting a bi woman __________________ "Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker."

03-09-2003, 02:26 AM	#30
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	We did a poll on ASS a few months back, had around 350 responses, and we think it was around 13% that chose female.

03-09-2003, 06:46 PM	#31
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	The current tally is: NetRodent - 30%. ronin - 10%. Que? - 5%. Interlude - hardly any. sworld - 20%. DyannaDoes - 20%. Socks (ASS) - 13% That's an average of 14%. Anyone else got some numbers to contribute? If 4men paysites have an everage 14% female membership. I think that speaks volumes for the potential profitability of sites designed specifically for women!