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dyna mo · 06-04-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Republicans hate Obama because he is BLACK.

no. It's even more basic than that, **********.

They hate him because he's the opponent. It's as simple as that. Politics is a zero sum game.

And speaking of that, I'd imagine at least a few repubs calling their higher up military butt buddies and making sure that the military prosecutes this guy for desertion, further embarrassing the president/dems.

from prison to the pres podium and back to prison and on top of that, obama usurping the law to do it.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 09:26 AM

Racism is judging people by the group they are in, weather it be race, creed or color.

The term "creed" can also refer to a person's political or social belief

People that are saying all republicans are racist and indeed racist themselves.

Bunch of whiny fucks that blame everything on the other guy and don't own up to their own mistakes and play the race card. fucking low lifes!

EonBlue · 06-04-2014, 09:34 AM

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That photo needs this caption:

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In front of the President and the world, Bergdahl's father sent greetings to his son in Arabic and Pashto, and began with the words, "In the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful..."

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 09:40 AM

Rochard · 06-04-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no. It's even more basic than that, **********.

They hate him because he's the opponent. It's as simple as that. Politics is a zero sum game.

But it hasn't always been like this. I understand that both parties strategize at a high level, but there was a sort of unspoken rule that they wouldn't use current events to make each other look bad (outside of debates and actual campaigning). They acted this way because they knew it could come back to bite them in the ass later on when they had the White House.

It seems to me like the Republicans are on the warpath and are attacking everything. The Republican party attacked Obamacare with vengeance and it was an utter failure - they vowed to get rid of it, they failed, and now Obamacare is a reality.

I wonder what is going to happen when the Republicans own the White House? Will the Deomcrats go on the war path?

dyna mo · 06-04-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

That photo needs this caption:

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

this guy is going be raked over the coals eh?

IMO, he's been through enough, if it's true he deserted, he prolly didn't plan on whatever he's been through over the last several years, I say let him walk away.

Nevertheless, the white house decided to use him as a political football so he's going to get kicked around now.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I wonder what is going to happen when the Republicans own the White House? Will the Democrats go on the war path?

It's Democrats, let me fix that for you.

Are you serious? The Democrats were foaming at the mouth during the years of Bush, the GOP was foaming at the mouth during the Clinton years. Have you no sense of history?

No one attacked Reagan because of his popularity, that's how Bush Sr got in there.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 11:04 AM

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/02/645...treatment.html

Now Veterans and Military alike are complaining about Bergdahl being trading for 5 terrorist

WASHINGTON -- For all the yellow ribbons strewn across his hometown in Idaho and the gratitude expressed by his parents in an emotional visit to the White House on Saturday, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will receive a hero’s welcome when he returns to the United States after nearly five years in Taliban captivity.

From military forums across the country, a groundswell of anger is rising over the Obama administration’s silence on perhaps the most controversial question surrounding the deal that freed Bergdahl in exchange for five senior Taliban members: Was he a deserter?

Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status.

“He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.”

Angry commentators took special aim at National Security Adviser Susan Rice’s televised remarks Sunday that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.” They also bristled at Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s surprise visit Sunday to Afghanistan, where he praised the operation that freed Bergdahl but never mentioned the desertion issue before an audience of U.S. service members who undoubtedly have seen the debate swirling around the case.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 11:06 AM

This is going to look like Bergdahl deserted and Obama is giving him a medal

_Richard_ · 06-04-2014, 11:10 AM

someone was upset at being in the army? shocking.

if the taliban kidnapped this soldier, and tried to make it seem like a desertion.. seems like that would work very well

tony286 · 06-04-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This is going to look like Bergdahl deserted and Obama is giving him a medal

You are so being played. If it was clear he deserted, they wouldnt of promoted him twice during his capture. They have to do this so you will vote against your own interests again and again. And you dont like Obama fine but please stop with false equivalency bullshit.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-04-2014, 11:18 AM

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Can Bowe Bergdahl Be Tied to 6 Lost Lives? Facts Are Murky

WASHINGTON ? Did the search for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl cost the lives of American soldiers?

Since last weekend?s prisoner exchange in which Afghan insurgents turned over Sergeant Bergdahl after five years of captivity, a number of the men who served with him have called him a deserter. Some have gone further, blaming him for the deaths of six to eight soldiers.

That second claim is hardening into a news media narrative. CNN has reported in scrolling headlines that six soldiers died looking for Sergeant Bergdahl after senior American military officials say he wandered off his base. The Daily Beast published an essay by a former member of Sergeant Bergdahl?s battalion, Nathan Bradley Bethea, who linked the search to the deaths of eight soldiers whom he named. ?He has finally returned,? Mr. Bethea wrote. ?Those men will never have the opportunity.?

A review of casualty reports and contemporaneous military logs from the Afghanistan war shows that the facts surrounding the eight deaths are far murkier than definitive ? even as critics of Sergeant Bergdahl contend that every American combat death in Paktika Province in the months after he disappeared, from July to September 2009, was his fault.

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All across Afghanistan, that period was a time of ferocious fighting. President Obama had decided to send a surge of additional troops to improve security, but they had not yet arrived. In Paktika, the eight deaths during that period were up from five in the same three months the previous year. Across Afghanistan, 122 Americans died in that period, up from 58 in 2008.

In addition, a senior insurgent commander known as Mullah Sangeen, who was part of the Taliban-linked Haqqani network, had been carrying out attacks in the area for several years. A joint military statement by American and Afghan security forces released a month before Sergeant Bergdahl vanished warned that the mullah had brought in ?hundreds of foreign fighters.?

Two soldiers died during the most intense period of the search after Sergeant Bergdahl?s June 30 disappearance. Both were inside an outpost that came under attack, not out patrolling and running checkpoints looking for him. The other six soldiers died in late August and early September.

Facts are often obscured in the fog of the battlefield, witnesses have incomplete vantage points and the events are five years in the past now. But an archive of military reports logging significant activities in America?s war in Afghanistan offers a contemporaneous written record of events in Paktika that summer. The archive was made public by Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Pvt. Bradley Manning, who is serving a 35-year prison sentence for the leak.

The first two deaths the critics link to Sergeant Bergdahl involved a major assault by insurgents on a combat outpost called Zerok on July 4, 2009. Their view is that the Taliban knew the Americans were stretched thin by the search mission and took advantage of that opportunity to try to overrun it.

Military officials, speaking in recent days, have countered that additional surveillance aircraft had been brought in from other areas to help in the search, so air traffic in the region was intensified, not diminished, by the search.

Separately, context supplied by the leaked logs complicates claims that insurgents attacked the outpost because of the hunt.

Insurgents had been shooting at the outpost with escalating intensity in the preceding months. A June 24 log described a mortar attack inside its perimeter and cited intelligence that insurgents were planning a ?complex ambush? of the outpost.

And a log recounting the July 4 attack said it confirmed ?recent reporting regarding Mullah Sangeen?s desire to conduct a spectacular attack? against the outpost. The log did not mention the hunt for Sergeant Bergdahl. Still, one soldier from Sergeant Bergdahl?s battalion said that response time after the attack had been slow, and argued the issue was not if the outpost was going to be attacked, but rather when insurgents chose to attack it.

The first and most intense phase of the search operation wound down after July 8. But former soldiers say and the logs show that the hunt continued sporadically as patrols were sent out to chase rumors that Sergeant Bergdahl had been spotted.

The other six American deaths in Paktika that summer occurred from Aug. 18 to Sept. 5, which Sergeant Bergdahl?s critics link to him as well.

Mr. Bethea wrote that of the six men killed in August and September, two died in a roadside bombing while on a reconnaissance mission, a third was shot during a search for a Taliban political leader and three others were killed while conducting patrols ? two in an ambush and one who stepped on a mine.

He suggested some connection to Sergeant Bergdahl for several of the deaths, saying the Taliban leader and a village that was in the area of one of the patrols were ?thought affiliated with Bergdahl?s captors.? He also said a village in the areas of the other patrol was ?near the area where Bergdahl vanished.?

Still, those villages and insurgents were in the overall area of responsibility for the soldiers, and the logs make clear that the region was an insurgent hotbed. A log on May 21, 2009, for example, said it had historically been a ?safe haven? for the Taliban.

A retired senior American military officer, who was briefed at the time on the search for Sergeant Bergdahl, said that even though soldiers were instructed to watch for signs of the missing American, they would have been conducting patrols and performing risky operations anyway.

?Look, it?s not like these soldiers would have been sitting around their base,? he said.

The soldier who spoke on condition of anonymity agreed that it was ?ludicrous? to lay 100 percent of the blame for the deaths at Sergeant Bergdahl?s feet, and he acknowledged that patrols were going to get hit in Paktika during fighting season anyway.

ADG

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

You are so being played. If it was clear he deserted, they wouldnt of promoted him twice during his capture. They have to do this so you will vote against your own interests again and again. And you dont like Obama fine but please stop with false equivalency bullshit.

It's the military, since they didn't list him as a deserter, because that would have looked bad, he was going to be promoted regardless.

This shit bag deserter is going to get UCMJ justice unless he is pardoned.

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Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn?t have been accorded POW status.

?He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,? Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. ?This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I?m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.?

That's a major that said he deserted.

2MuchMark · 06-04-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

Dude stop with that fucking bullshit! It accomplishes nothing and is not true. All you do on here is stir up bullshit.

Ok, you're right... not all republicans hate Obama, and I'm sure of the ones who do hate him are not necessarily because he's black.

HOWEVER...

Mitch McConnell, Republican from the southern state of Kentucky, famously said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Why did he say this? This announcement was made the night Obama won the election I believe. Why would he want him out even before he starts his term? Is it because he's... ?

And then of course there's things like this:

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 11:33 AM

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ADG

ADG, I know in battle, you can't bluntly say they died because of one thing or another. They died because it was war. But that's why the UCMJ puts such a high price on desertion, DEATH!

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 11:41 AM

Hey Cheese Dick

So are you going to whine about the GOP or the party in charge for everything that's fucked up?

Reagan had a bigger mess, you didn't see him winning about the democrats did you?

bronco67 · 06-04-2014, 11:56 AM

So Republicans were pushing for the release of this guy by doing whatever it takes earlier this year. Now they're acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Complete political bullshit. Who cares about those Taliban commanders being released back into the wild? We'll mostly be out of Afghanistan in a couple of years so let those monkeys play in their stupid sandbox.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 12:13 PM

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So Republicans were pushing for the release of this guy by doing whatever it takes earlier this year. Now they're acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Complete political bullshit. Who cares about those Taliban commanders being released back into the wild? We'll mostly be out of Afghanistan in a couple of years so let those monkeys play in their stupid sandbox.

you're wrong as usual

Republicans and Democrats raised serious concerns more than two years ago with the Obama administration about the possibility of swapping Taliban prisoners for captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl but said promised consultation never materialized.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politi...-consultation/

Rochard · 06-04-2014, 12:13 PM

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ADG

So now the story that "eight people died looking for him" is falling apart. Two of them died on base during an attack, and the other six didn't die the day after while looking for him but instead months later.

Interesting.

Rochard · 06-04-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

So Republicans were pushing for the release of this guy by doing whatever it takes earlier this year. Now they're acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Complete political bullshit. Who cares about those Taliban commanders being released back into the wild? We'll mostly be out of Afghanistan in a couple of years so let those monkeys play in their stupid sandbox.

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

dyna mo · 06-04-2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

he wants everyone to experience the same pow lifestyle he did.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

He wasn't a soldier anymore, he is a deserter

arock10 · 06-04-2014, 12:33 PM

I guess this is something to talk about now that Obamacare won

bronco67 · 06-04-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

you're wrong as usual

Republicans and Democrats raised serious concerns more than two years ago with the Obama administration about the possibility of swapping Taliban prisoners for captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl but said promised consultation never materialized.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politi...-consultation/

That was 2 years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5439644.html

Answer this question honestly. Would there be all of this Republican outrage is George Bush made this deal?

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

You of course are leaving out the fact, he didn't know what prisoners were being exchanged for Bergdahl

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, said Tuesday that the prisoner swap executed by the Obama administration to bring Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl home from captivity in Afghanistan was a "mistake."

"This decision to bring Sgt. Bergdahl home -- and we applaud that he is home -- is ill-founded. It is a mistake," McCain said during a Senate Republicans press conference on Veterans Affairs reform. "And it is putting the lives of American servicemen and women at risk and that, to me, is unacceptable to the American people."

McCain objected to trading five Taliban detainees from the Guantanamo Bay facility for Bergdahl, calling them the "hardest and toughest of all" and "wanted war criminals."

"These people have dedicated their lives to destroying us," he later added.

That's a shift from where McCain stood in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper that aired in February, soon after the U.S. military obtained a proof-of-life video of Bergdahl. McCain told Cooper that originally, Bergdahl's captors had demanded the transfer of five detainees just as a "confidence-building measure." Once a prisoner swap was reportedly in the cards, however, the senator said he'd be "inclined to support such a thing."

"I would support -- obviously I'd have to know the details -- but I would support ways of bringing him home," he said at the time. "And if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider."

bronco67 · 06-04-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

McCain flip flops like a fish on a dock. He has a history of changing positions constantly.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

That was 2 years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5439644.html

Answer this question honestly. Would there be all of this Republican outrage is George Bush made this deal?

I don't really give a fuck about what Bush would have done, that is speculative at best.

You said that the Republicans pushed for this, no they pushed to get him released, not knowing about Bergdahl being a deserter because of the NDA the soldiers signed and knowing the list of terrorist that were going to be traded for this deserter.......

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

McCain flip flops like a fish on a dock. He has a history of changing positions constantly.

He didn't know about Bergdahl being a deserter and the list of 5 terrorist that were going to be traded for

SuckOnThis · 06-04-2014, 01:16 PM

directfiesta · 06-04-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

McCain flip flops like a fish on a dock. He has a history of changing positions constantly.

... and singing like a canary

bronco67 · 06-04-2014, 01:53 PM

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I don't really give a fuck about what Bush would have done, that is speculative at best.

I knew you wouldn't answer.

Bryan G · 06-04-2014, 01:59 PM

Didn't Ronald Reagan exchange 1500 missles for hostages?

Why the outrage over this?

crockett · 06-04-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This is going to look like Bergdahl deserted and Obama is giving him a medal

Only to narrow minded people such as yourself. To anyone with any common sense at all, it will look like Obama did what was needed to bring an American soldier home.

He can be judged later and it's very certain the hateful right wingers will make sure of that. However regardless of his accused actions he was still a American solder and he still is until he is convicted of a crime and court marshaled.

It's a shame to see people whom served in the armed forces so willing to throw away a solder whom has yet been given the chance to defend himself. Your hate for Obama has clearly filled you with so much anger you can't think sensibly.

Obama's actions of getting this solder back, serves to show other solders that the US govt will not leave them behind and will get them back no matter how long it takes.. You are too simple minded to figure that out.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Didn't Ronald Reagan exchange 1500 missles for hostages?

Why the outrage over this?

That was Iran Contra, they got caught, it was more for money for the Contra's than releasing prisoners.

Why does it matter if it was done in the past? Does that make it ok?

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 02:51 PM

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I knew you wouldn't answer.

I did answer, you're too stupid to see that.

Why does it matter if something was done in the past, it doesn't make it right?

Bush did release prisoners from GITMO, about 28% of all released returned to terrorism, so if we are to learn from the past, this was a BAD decision. Or 168 terrorist returned to committing terrorist acts.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 02:55 PM

Amazing, people are cheering for a deserter and happy for the 5 terrorist being returned to do harm.
Even Pelosi wanted them released, but not in her district!

Bryan G · 06-04-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That was Iran Contra, they got caught, it was more for money for the Contra's than releasing prisoners.

Why does it matter if it was done in the past? Does that make it ok?

Yes because you were the one earlier in this thread that said America does not negotiate with terrorists. So it's ok for Reagan but not Obama?

tony286 · 06-04-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That was Iran Contra, they got caught, it was more for money for the Contra's than releasing prisoners.

Why does it matter if it was done in the past? Does that make it ok?

actually that was teason that started with saint ron because congress cut off the money for the contra's and iran was under an embargo. People fell on their sword for him but it was what he wanted.

tony286 · 06-04-2014, 03:07 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-...193638795.html

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?s critics not to ?judge? him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.

?We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,? McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. ?And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that?s what you should do. That?s what soldiers do for each other.?

Bergdahl?s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 03:09 PM

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Yes because you were the one earlier in this thread that said America does not negotiate with terrorists. So it's ok for Reagan but not Obama?

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Originally Posted by tony286

actually that was teason that started with saint ron because congress cut off the money for the contra's and iran was under an embargo. People fell on their sword for him but it was what he wanted.

You guys want me to admit Reagan fucked up, yes he did and I don't condone it.

That doesn't make what Obama did right, it doesn't matter who did it before, it's not right?

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 03:10 PM

Are you guys stating for the books, it's ok, because past presidents have done it?

crockett · 06-04-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-...193638795.html

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?s critics not to ?judge? him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.

?We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,? McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. ?And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that?s what you should do. That?s what soldiers do for each other.?

Bergdahl?s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.

Hey at least someone has some common sense props to him.

bronco67 · 06-04-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I did answer, you're too stupid to see that.

Why does it matter if something was done in the past, it doesn't make it right?

Bush did release prisoners from GITMO, about 28% of all released returned to terrorism, so if we are to learn from the past, this was a BAD decision. Or 168 terrorist returned to committing terrorist acts.

You didn't answer.

Hypothetically, if Bush was still president -- or if Mitt Romney was president, would there be Republican outrage over this deal? Just be straight for a minute, without all the evasive, angry double talk. Your a very angry guy. I'm guessing you're an old dude.

dyna mo · 06-04-2014, 04:18 PM

bergdahl will be dressing like a girl within 2 weeks, the military is about to really fry his brain.

The fucked up shit that made him sneak off will look like child's play now.

Vendzilla · 06-04-2014, 04:21 PM

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You didn't answer.

Hypothetically, if Bush was still president -- or if Mitt Romney was president, would there be Republican outrage over this deal? Just be straight for a minute, without all the evasive, angry double talk. Your a very angry guy. I'm guessing you're an old dude.

I don't give a shit what political party they are, that's the fucking answer!!

I'm guessing your an idiot?

An no, I'm not an angry person, I'm just having a discussion with an idiot!

Rochard · 06-04-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You guys want me to admit Reagan fucked up, yes he did and I don't condone it.

That doesn't make what Obama did right, it doesn't matter who did it before, it's not right?

Comparing what Reagan did and what Obama did is like comparing swearing in public to murder.

First, I can care less what Reagan did. He wanted "X" and made it happen. He had bones.

With Obama and this... You don't have a case. Seems Congress knew this was in the works for months, so you can argue that Congress was in fact notified. They didn't know the date or who or where, but they knew it was going to happen. McCain is on record supporting this.

But of course you are going to make a mountain out of a molehill here. This is exactly why he used executive order here - to shut the haters up.

Rochard · 06-04-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

bergdahl will be dressing like a girl within 2 weeks, the military is about to really fry his brain.

The fucked up shit that made him sneak off will look like child's play now.

Let's face it, the military isn't for everyone. However, with this guy, he was going to have a crappy life no matter what.

crockett · 06-04-2014, 05:14 PM

So it seems as if the claim 8 solders died looking for him is being debunked and Congress did know that the swap was going to happen.

So now the only leg to stand on is he was a deserter.. Yet he has not been tried or convicted of anything. Just tried and convicted by the right wing feeding frenzy and the media..

Wonder if this guy is found to be innocent if our little right wingers here will say they were wrong..

dyna mo · 06-04-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

So it seems as if the claim 8 solders died looking for him is being debunked and Congress did know that the swap was going to happen.

So now the only leg to stand on is he was a deserter.. Yet he has not been tried or convicted of anything. Just tried and convicted by the right wing feeding frenzy and the media..

Wonder if this guy is found to be innocent if our little right wingers here will say they were wrong..

Can you explain the Whitehouse using him as a political football here and what the ROI has been on this deal for the WH? Do you think they even considered all this blowback and decided it was acceptable or do you think they never even considered that there was some level of chatter that he was a deserter?

Seems mighty risky to me and I don't see what the ROI has been for the WH.

TampaToker · 06-04-2014, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Amazing, people are cheering for a deserter and happy for the 5 terrorist being returned to do harm.
Even Pelosi wanted them released, but not in her district!

Its amazing when people become judge and jury when all the facts are not in yet. But i can tell you one thing these 5 "terrorist" were going home at the end of the year anyways. Now if the military was covering this up and to come to find out this guy was a deserter will the same people who serve the military now and past go and create a shit storm about the military covering for a deserter and sending troops in harms way?

On a side note republican Saxby Chandler just came out of the debriefing and he said there is no legal statue that Obama had to notify congress within 30 days. Obama did break protocol but no legal statue. He did say he was unsure if it was illegal for Obama to sign a executive order which authorized the trade which i found was odd. I know the answer to that but he did not lol. So with that said there will be no legal action against Obama.

I did get a giggle on watching his quick interview on fox news. When asked was he satisfied with what he heard from the admin in the debriefing he said no. Well of course wtf is he gonna say if he was satisfied yes? Another giggle i got was he said the debriefing was still going on but he sure in the hell rushed downstairs to get his face on camera crying foul. These politicians make me

06-04-2014, 09:26 AM	#152
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Racism is judging people by the group they are in, weather it be race, creed or color. The term "creed" can also refer to a person's political or social belief People that are saying all republicans are racist and indeed racist themselves. Bunch of whiny fucks that blame everything on the other guy and don't own up to their own mistakes and play the race card. fucking low lifes! __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that Last edited by Vendzilla; 06-04-2014 at 09:27 AM..

06-04-2014, 09:40 AM	#154
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	__________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 11:04 AM	#158
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/02/645...treatment.html Now Veterans and Military alike are complaining about Bergdahl being trading for 5 terrorist WASHINGTON -- For all the yellow ribbons strewn across his hometown in Idaho and the gratitude expressed by his parents in an emotional visit to the White House on Saturday, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will receive a hero’s welcome when he returns to the United States after nearly five years in Taliban captivity. From military forums across the country, a groundswell of anger is rising over the Obama administration’s silence on perhaps the most controversial question surrounding the deal that freed Bergdahl in exchange for five senior Taliban members: Was he a deserter? Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status. “He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.” Angry commentators took special aim at National Security Adviser Susan Rice’s televised remarks Sunday that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.” They also bristled at Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s surprise visit Sunday to Afghanistan, where he praised the operation that freed Bergdahl but never mentioned the desertion issue before an audience of U.S. service members who undoubtedly have seen the debate swirling around the case. __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 11:06 AM	#159
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	This is going to look like Bergdahl deserted and Obama is giving him a medal __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 11:41 AM	#166
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Hey Cheese Dick So are you going to whine about the GOP or the party in charge for everything that's fucked up? Reagan had a bigger mess, you didn't see him winning about the democrats did you? __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 11:10 AM	#160
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	someone was upset at being in the army? shocking. if the taliban kidnapped this soldier, and tried to make it seem like a desertion.. seems like that would work very well

06-04-2014, 11:56 AM	#167
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	So Republicans were pushing for the release of this guy by doing whatever it takes earlier this year. Now they're acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Complete political bullshit. Who cares about those Taliban commanders being released back into the wild? We'll mostly be out of Afghanistan in a couple of years so let those monkeys play in their stupid sandbox. __________________

06-04-2014, 12:33 PM	#173
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	I guess this is something to talk about now that Obamacare won __________________ Sup

06-04-2014, 01:16 PM	#179
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844

06-04-2014, 01:59 PM	#182
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	Didn't Ronald Reagan exchange 1500 missles for hostages? Why the outrage over this? __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

06-04-2014, 02:55 PM	#186
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Amazing, people are cheering for a deserter and happy for the 5 terrorist being returned to do harm. Even Pelosi wanted them released, but not in her district! __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 03:07 PM	#189
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-...193638795.html Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?s critics not to ?judge? him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers. ?We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,? McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. ?And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that?s what you should do. That?s what soldiers do for each other.? Bergdahl?s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.

06-04-2014, 03:10 PM	#191
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Are you guys stating for the books, it's ok, because past presidents have done it? __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

06-04-2014, 04:18 PM	#194
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,092	bergdahl will be dressing like a girl within 2 weeks, the military is about to really fry his brain. The fucked up shit that made him sneak off will look like child's play now.

06-04-2014, 05:14 PM	#198
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	So it seems as if the claim 8 solders died looking for him is being debunked and Congress did know that the swap was going to happen. So now the only leg to stand on is he was a deserter.. Yet he has not been tried or convicted of anything. Just tried and convicted by the right wing feeding frenzy and the media.. Wonder if this guy is found to be innocent if our little right wingers here will say they were wrong..