don't go to ussr and they won't come to you - everything simply :1orglaugh

they've been drinking in Eastern Europe also before Soviets ;-)

Yes, I'm not, I happened to happily miss the Soviet Man DNA wreckage a lot of people
suffered and keep suffering as I can see.

Shit started boiling long ago actually.

Putin sent a fuckturd Yanukovich to get his hands on Ukraine. But Yuschenko took over to please people, I believe it was Putin's plan B - get a "good" cop Yuschenko instead to be a president. Then Yuschenko had betrayed the opposition taking Yanukovich aboard as a Prime Minister ( dafuk is that if its not a betrayal? ). Now Yuschenko lives his happy ever after - sonomabitch!

All this time Putin and Yanukovich have been robbing Ukraine and the people. People, especially, retards in the east were unable to find a job or make a decent living due to their con nature, so they went on and on and started to believe Yanukovich who always spoke their retard language, and I dont even mean Russian but the language of the retarded masses in the Eastern Ukraine.

Putin sent him, you have voted for him. So who is an idiot there?

I did not, and nobody I know did. It did the Russian political technology via Eastern Ukrainian corruption mechanism. Educate yourself, as you love to say.

LOL :1orglaugh Yanukovich was elected when all political technologies on Ukraine were driven by Yushenko (the "hero" of your Maidan). Corruption you say? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sorry, but Atta and his crew were taking flight lessons in the US of A .... , going to strips joints and so on ... So, as I said, I could spin and say:
The Afghani people have no responsability in 9/11.

and the talibans ?

... and the Republicans ?????

PS: Talibans were in power, but not controlling a lot of the territory ( just like now in Afghanistan and/or Pakistan ) .

they were winning the war against massoud...

That might be true.

You can argue that the Afghani people allowed the Taliban to take control of the country, and the Taliban allowed and even encouraged Al-Qaeda to attack the US.

The US didn't attack the Afghani people. We attacked the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. I don't recall many reports of US troops attacking Afghanis; I'm currently reading The Outpost by Jake Tapper and they haven't mentioned that yet.

You seem to saying that the US did not have the right to attack Afghanistan. Thousands of Americans died for no reason, billions of dollars of damage and... You expected us to do what? Nothing?

and what would you do if you were putin ?
think about syria and venezuela

What would I do if I was Putin? Dunno. I fail to understand Putin and what he is doing here. If Putin wants Crimea, it would be a lot easier to do it peacefully than by force. Seems seventy percent of Crimea identifies themselves with Russia, and if that is the case have a vote and if the people of Crimea want to become a Russian state (or whatever) then they can go - willingly.

Odd how this hasn't been an issue since 1954 and suddenly it's so important that Ukraine has to be invaded?

Syria.... LOL. Best case scenario for Russia is the Syrian government wins, has sanctions for the next fifty years, and is hated by most of their people.

Venezuela... That's two fistfuls of crazy right there. This new government has taken over all of the major companies and is slowly running everything into the ground. They can't fucking keep TP in stock. Volkswagon refuses to send parts to it's own Volkswagon plant because Venezuela has used up all of it's credit and is not getting any more.

Fuck Syria and fuck Venezuela - Let the Russians help them out.

Well here is my opinion (i'm not pro putin but i would perhaps do the same thing):

- First: we have syria, venezuela and ukraine: they are more and less friends with Russia (at least when Ianoukovitch was the leader)
In a short period of time these countries had revolutions and it seems to be revolutions that benefit to the USA or the Europe side. It involves a loss of power for russia while putin like to show his muscles.
This is just not the image of Russia he wants to give to the world: he wants to looks strong but his allies are taken down by forces that are not for him.
This is the first reason why i would show "my" muscles too: to keep my influence, to show that i'm here and that i'm a country that matters.

-2 During the war in libya there was a vote at the UN security council.
They voted to prevent a massacre and in fact France (UK too i think), used this as an excuse to sustain a revolution.
So... we lied in our diplomaty and we tried to restart the same trick with syria.
This could be seen as an insult toward china and russia, 2 countries that want to be leaders meanwhile we have here in europe an economic crisis. We were already playing with them.

3- Do you know what you can do when you think that you are getting economically weaker ?
Well, if you have still a good army, you can try to expand your influence and this is what... france did in libya, but also in mali and in Central African Republic (yes, they speak french, so we have to help them, don't worry their opponents aren't very strong and there is a lot of guys of these countries in our armies...).
Who claimed here that france is hitler ? We are doing the same thing...
Oh yes, there is terrorists...
Of course, USA is used to do this too...

Even for france, being a totally downgraded country is not an option for us too...
(You can expect here a problem of ressources that USA and Russia won't have or at least far later).

China and Russia understand our politics like this too, so they have to prevent a loss of influence because of OUR wars.
You can try to manipulate civilians with the same goal, it is even cheaper.
Since we have 3 countries of the russian block that have a revolution in a short period of time, they can imo legitimately find this as an imperialistic move...
This is also why i think that WE started these aggressions, even if i would probably do the same thing here too (it is just playing with other pawns)

-4 So like i wrote before, putin wants to show his muscles, so this is the first reason to come with an army, perhaps at least to prevent a further agression: i don't think he will stop and i wouldn't stop either.
Second reason: there is revolutions in countries that are his allies and i think he understand that russia is the next in the list, so if you feel menaced you strike before it's too late and at least before you are too weak yourself !
(It's weird that suddently gays are friends of our countries, they seem to be a good excuse for diplomacy)
I think that his goal is not war but the goal is to impress its opponents: it's a stop signal.

3rd reason: there is revolutions among his allies, so he can comes and explain "i have to protect the russians in crimea" + urkrainians removed to russian as langage, so these russians speaking ukrainian could feel rejected/unsulted.
I heard that many of them are only russian-speaking.
There is a legitimate reason to expect a revolution is crimea and putin can come and explain that he is here to prevent it.

conclusion: expect 2 blocks in a near future...

This is probably his main reason. Let his people know who is in control.

He has Russians so brain washed I don't see it happening anytime soon.

in fact promoting revolutions is cheaper than a war.
Yes this is WWIII, a generalized civil war

неполживые сми фиксируют просто ниибический всплеск патриатизма в Украине
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/0..._5933409.shtml

цитатко:
"? Повестки нет, но есть информация, что российские войска введены через границу Украины, поэтому как гражданин Украины я обязан ее защитить, ? отвечает доброволец"

откуда инфа? ну не могут же украинские сми тиражировать заведомую ложь! НЕ ВЕРЮЮЮЮЮ!

"еще цитатко"
"В праворадикальной организации «Правый сектор», которая объявила мобилизацию по всем регионам, заявили, что будут координировать свои действия с Вооруженными силами Украины, СБУ и МВД.
«Правый сектор» проводит настоящие боевые учения уже второй день. Бойцы учатся вести войну в городе, обращаться с оружием, участвуют в стрельбах."

вообще-то это называется незаконными вооруженными формированиями. В Украине не так? Не эти ли, как политкорректно выражаются на данном форуме англоязычные коллеги unarmed demonstrators, стреляли из снайперок по беркуту?

Sid, а ты записался добровольцем? или тока такие фигуры можешь клятым москалям демонстрировать?
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...7zb9EGtxWdfiFI

Putin is an evil piece of shit. Free Ukraine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pimp

You are just twisting pseudo-facts and repeating urban legends.

First, the US were doing business with the talibans ( you need pic to be posted again ?)
Secondly, the talibans were not supporting al-quaeda ... ( let's say they were, don't you find it strange that no afghani is part of the plot ...)

Thirdly:

I would think that the bombs were landing on afghanis , no ...?

on terrorists and on terrorist states
then they changed their goals because the project was frightening.

What??? Al-Qaeda was created by CIA. I.e. it's your own product. Don't blame Afghans, blame Ronald Reagan and his administration. Blame the USA.

Perhaps he's really afraid of that but this won't happen. People here are not poor anymore and they have a lot to lose. So nobody wants a revolution here. Even extremely ant-Putin persons like Navalny. They say: Russian needs evolution but not revolution.

Ukraine is a very poor country and the people are completely desperate there. They are ready for everything. Russian citizens is another story. Even Chechens don't want to separate anymore.

You said brainwashed? Really? What exactly makes you think so? I'm very curious...

Jewish expert about Ukraine:



:2 cents:

Nice one :)

The Russians liberated Eastern Europe, they did not plan to invade Eastern Europe it was a result of the nazi attack on them.

They controlled the defence and foreign policy but allowed a the local communist parties a free hand in domestic policy.

The Poland I know in the 70s had a lot to say for it. Full Employment, housing for everyone, free education, free health service, very cheap transport. A polish TV, film industry, books and music.

No advertising - Do you know how great it is to live with no fucking advertising? Advertising is brainwashing.

Polish people were far better informed about the world than the world was about them.

Polish people would see hundreds of American TV programs, Films and books...

How many Polish works have Americans seen?

Was everyone happy ? were there no problems? of course not ...the problems we all hear about non stop a lot of them were real....

But is you have a job and a house it is better than having to leave your country to find work in London living in one room with your wife and kid.

http://rt.com/files/news/22/e6/10/00/23.jpg

It's all about Crimea. The majority of those living in Crimea region are ethnic Russians,almost 1.200.000.

not if you: have job, yet can't buy anything as there (almost) no products on the market
at that was how the situation looked from 1978 :1orglaugh
so i would say: it was different, it wasnt genocide,they build roads, gave education & medcare, but now is better :P a lot of possibilities and choices

go Russia ! :-P and do it without single shot and casualties

Is it beyond the wit of man to control economics so that everyone has a home and a job in the place they live?

Yes the system failed, it was fighting the hostility of the West, but also it failed because the people did not support the system. They thought that they could work the same way and get a car and colour TV. Radio Free Europe told them so.

They were in for a rude surprise. As are the people of the Ukraine.

nah man, trust me... you wont lure me into communism/ socialism :1orglaugh
it is sexy and cool to wear che guevara tshirt only if you are from rich west country....
if you are from country that experienced communism, the talk /discurs is different...much different

yeah power to the people, ukrainian's aren't going to put up with it anymore, the way their country is being run! this is the chick who there is a high likelihood of becoming the new president.

yulia tushyenko.

Ever heard of Ribbentrop-Molotov or this amazing free education was futile?

And? We were friends with Saddam Hussein at one point.

They weren't? They allowed Osama bin Laden and his terrorist group in the country when no one else would. And when they wouldn't turn over Osama, well, they got invaded.

I don't know, do you? Afghanistan doesn't have many large cities and combat operations don't take place near population centers.

The return of the gas princess .....:disgust

http://www.mapreport.com/years/2001/...ies/kabul.html

The United States has carried out a seventh night of air strikes on Afghanistan after Pentagon officials admitted a targeting mistake led to a bomb being dropped on a residential area of the capital, Kabul.

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I always forget thsat the USA does surgical bombings ... no casualties ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Meanwhile, you guys are all upset about Russia protecting its people in a small part of Ukraine ...

She is as corrupt as the last one.
Her image is pure PR, which the people lap up.

how about Julia Tymoshenko ?

sounds better

Dude, seriously?

Yes, in 2001 when we removed the Taliban from government we did in fact bomb major cities. For the most part, it was surgical strikes. But the truth is no matter how many "smart bombs" are dropped, mistakes are made and shit happens.

This is very simple. Country "A" says "give us X or else" and country "B" says "no, fuck off". Country "B", it's government, and the people that put that government in place then suffer the consequences. Yes, innocent people will get killed.

It's not like the US invaded Afghanistan for no reason. We had a valid reason to go in, period.

Sid, што ты тут интеллигентных евреев постишь? давай побрутальнее чаво, яроша например







почему на красно-белом флаге надпись по-английски? Чтобы американским налогоплательщикам удобнее читать было?

Да вы там на брутальном йобнулись, бандицкай пидарсбург.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will travel to Kiev to meet with Ukrainian leaders tomorrow to offer support as Russian troops occupy the nation?s Crimea region, U.S. officials said yesterday
спижжено отсюда
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...r-ukraine.html

Modern Ukranian Leader :thumbsup
http://s020.radikal.ru/i722/1312/e5/14d22165cacd.jpg

Seroiously ... read the link . Bush said fuck off ... because he awnted war ... to be a war president, after his miserable failure to protect the USA .
3 years BEFORE 9/11, Afghans were trying to get rid of Osama ...
I will not repost the link, as your opinion has already been shaped by your gov's propaganda.

...

еще раз - почему на флаге правого сектора надпись по-английски?