Of course, there were no Gulags in USSR (death/work camps), they somehow didnt forget their troops in the Satellite states (terrorizing the population) for ~40-50 years, they didn't fucked up those states economy big time and those countries still aren't suffering from the effects of the soviet occupation (brainwashing).. so big "thanks" for that!

this thread went full retard

1. Not death but work camps.
2. It was an internal problem of Soviet Union, while Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Afganistan etc are independent counties being invaded by NATO nowadays.
3. It was in Stalin times. Why don't you mention slavery in Europe and USA, genocide of native Americans, Nazi regime in Germany, fascism in Italy etc? Short memory?

A day of fools on GFY?

If you didn't notice, it was full retard from the beginning. Just re-read the title :2 cents:

You are welcome! At least you didn't end up like Lybia or Iraq.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhuogW1IQAABrmf.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhusQXVIUAA_xIt.jpg

- the actual Gulag death toll was somewhat higher, amounting to 1,258,537 in 1934-53, or 1.6 million deaths during the whole period from 1929 to 1953 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag) <- as you can see those death camps existed after the II.WW too!

I never said NATO is the best thing ever, I never denied the crimes of fascism etc, but you are always denying the crimes of the Soviet Russians.. they fucked up every country at least here in the Eastern EU.. and I'm saying at least, because I live here and I know the situation first hand!

And we didn't end up like: Austria, Netherlands, Denmark etc etc which would have been a more likely (99%) situation for us then the middle east..

Easier to compare East and West Germany - if someone saw these two countries in 1990 (I did) it was very easy to say which one was under Soviet occupation.

Nobody knows for sure the actual numbers. And once again it's an internal pain for the Soviet people, but not a result of military interventions to independent foreign countries. Don't see the difference? For real?

Soviet Russians or Soviet Union, please be more specific on what you say. Don't pretend to be a clown please. BTW, what exactly crimes I deny and crimes against whom? The most suffered people of Stalin's repressions are RUSSIANS. Educate yourself.

Exactly :2 cents:

P.S. Stalin wasn't Russian. He was Georgian.

1. there were gulags...
2. soviet troops stationed but they didnt terrorize anyone (at least not +5 years after end of 2nd world war)...they just stayed mostly in their bases... other thing is, that they were there to ensure communism influence etc. yet, during martial law in Poland no soviet soldier were doing anything..they were just inside their bases
3. they did f.. up economies, thats true...
4. brainwashing ? hm, depends...something tells me that maybe its better to be brainwashed with communist scholar system than with TV...anyway, of course there are brainwashed people..afraid of governmenet and its actions...if thats what you mean...it depends where also...in Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary - not really... Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - etc. very probably, especially amongs older generations

Shitty thing to do by Poland at that time even considering that Czechoslovak army invaded this territory in 1919 few weeks before Soviet army invaded Poland too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

Poland won, so USSR invaded Poland again in 1939.

Also, Poland invaded Czechoslovakia along with Soviet, Hungarian and all other communist troops in 1968. Even more shitty thing to do even though Poland was occupied by USSR troops then.

The difference is I never deny it and I feel ashamed for my country's faults. Do you? Ever? Didn't notice...

i'm western german, been to eastern germany before 1989 and lived there for 3 years from 2003 to 2006

and had an eastern german girlfriend for 2+ years in 2000-2003

and we had family in eastern germany that we used to send parcels with coffee, chocolate, clothes etc

i am not saying eastern german people were generally unhappy before 1989 but given a choice, i bet a majority would have chosen the western german system when possible

and besides east berlin and leipzig, the rest of eastern germany was just ruins and outdated industry - just look at the pictures from that time

And what is the other option? The world should allow a country to just march troops in and take over?

On one hand I think the US is a bit too involved in issues it shouldn't be involved in. On the other hand Africa is becoming a huge wasteland and no one seems to give a shit.

yeah, right... :-) almost the same like Oswiecim was "work camp"...arbeit macht frei... work will set you free, only because you will work so hard that you will die from it (death= freedom, i suppose)

of course - their purpose wasn the genocide..just exploitations of prisoners for 100 %...without good equipment, with almost no food, they were there to work as robots...in freezing minus 40, for example...

I don't know what you feel because all your posts were about Russians, but not about your country. In every your posts here you just wanted to say how evil Russian are. This is your first post where you mention another country. Furthermore, you are trying to generalize the USSR with Russia which is completely incorrect, because Russia was just a part of the union. If you want to talk about Russia "AS IS", please exclude 1917-1991 from your time slice.

But there are differences with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan compared to what's happen with Ukraine.

First, you cannot even put Afghanistan on that list - People in Afghanistan attacked civilians in the US, killing thousands, and did billions of dollars in damage and their government refused to take any action. You cannot debate if it was "morally correct" for the US to attack.

With Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia... The EU, US, and or NATO didn't suddenly wake up and quietly violate their sovereignty without warning. Instead, there was months of discussions, negotiations, and UN resolutions before a large number of countries decided to take action.

Is there anybody who said that life in Eastern Germany was better than in the Western one? Is there anybody who said that life in the USSR was better than life in Russian Federation? Nobody wants to live under commies or any other political ideology :2 cents:

The following picture was posted a page before...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZoqZrwTLc...lav-bielik.jpg

then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungari...lution_of_1956 etcetc

also there is a house of terror in Budapest (http://www.terrorhaza.hu/en/index_2.html) which holds exhibits related to fascist and communist dictatorial regimes.. just to make sure people don't forget how both regimes where fucked up


https://youtube.com/watch?v=KosJHGHwIcw

Such 'parades' were held here in the countries here, they would pay you some pennies if you would attend these to hold a flag or some bullshit..



looks similar ? :)

You did/doing it to Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't remember any serious protests from the "world" on that :2 cents:

Death camp -> death factory. More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

You don't ?

And which ones? Please explain.

http://files.myopera.com/drlaunch/al...6/o-rly001.jpg

Where and when that was happened? I don't remember about Afghan attacks on the USA. Please enlighten me and do not tell me anything about 9/11 because even a stupid kid knows it was done by Saudis (I don't know about any US military actions against that country).

Sorry, but I didn't get it at all. What exactly did you want to say? What is the differences to the Ukrainian case except the "unimportant" thing: Russian troops haven't killed a single citizen there.

i think that the main problem here is the fact that people are trying to see the past with the same values as the present.
remember colonization, remember the "native americans" ?

Twisting facts .... Saudis were the culprit ....

To that extent, I could say :

People in the USA attacked civilians in the US , killing thousands ....

:2 cents:

Shit happens :)

youtube.com/watch?v=tZATDOZSd88
2013. Ukrainian Nazi SS soldiers staged a funeral

rossiyanavsegda.ru/uploads/other/2013/05/07/ushenko_s_rekonstruktorami.jpg
ex president ukraine photo

I think this photo (a disgrace BTW) taken 5 years ago is a very good reason for Russia to invade Ukraine.

I have recently heard on the news (NBC) that John Kerry criticizes Obama: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext" Does anybody know here about what exact US invading he was talking about? Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria?

after Russia, USA invade Ukraine
afghanistan try it :winkwink:

maybe Grenada ? maybe having some military bases in 90 % of the world ? who knows
maybe supporting Taiwan as "backdoor" to China ?

The people directly responsible for this were in Afghanistan. And when the US came knocking instead of assistance, we were told "no". No matter how you try to spin it, al qaeda was behind 9/11, and at that time al qaeda was in Afghanistan.

http://rossiyanavsegda.ru/uploads/ot...truktorami.jpg

Nice picture indeed :pimp

it is from the "reconstruction history" guys.....

they dress in nazi uniforms even in my country...during their parties, reconstruction of battles etc.

Al-Qaida was behind 9/11, the hundreds of thousands of people that died or got mutilated in Afghanistan and Iraq were not. And we had troops in both wars just like did many other European countries, so don't take this as me attacking the Americans or something of that sort.

As for the topic at hand, the Russians are swinging a limp dick, they have zero international support and they sure can't afford full blown invasion. So everybody should simply take a step back, take a chill pill and see how they can resolve this shit - the best possible outcome would be 100% guarantee that all Russian interests and Russian people there are protected, Ukraine remains whole, and then ALL people in Ukraine decide what they want to do with their own fucking country.

Exactly ..

Wrong. They are Saudis. It's ok when a stupid Russian like me makes mistak about your county, but you - an American citizen who don't know something that a whole world knows. That's beyond of my mind...

Ukraine nationalist leader calls on 'most wanted' terrorist Umarov 'to act against Russia'
rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-address-umarov-380/
Umarov=Al-Qaida

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalis...ss-umarov-380/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dooku

what now - just recently you praised all the good things the russians brought to these countries

cant be between 1945 and 1949 - in that time russians took down all industry they could get their hands on and raped and pillaged their way through former german areas (btw - the rape thing is still kept under the rug - my grandmother could tell you a different story if she was still alive)

between 1949 and 1989 the eastern german government were puppets directed by the soviet union - which you just said was inferior to western germany (hard to deny when you look at the state of the country and industry in 1989)

and you can't mean after 1991 either - recently in Cuba someone told me how he ate banana peels due to a hunger epidemic because in that time russia had too many of their own problems to send food to them

btw - i have absolutely no problems with Russia and Russian people - nor do i have a problem with anyone else

but from a national pride point of view, you and Vendzilla are on the same level now - with equally absurd arguments from time to time

(and please spare me the "the germans did this and that too" arguments, i know all that already. we have like 10 documentaries about 33-45 on TV every day)

I would say - rather Rochard's...the only difference is that one of them is retarded, the other is cynical ;-)
(now you may guess who is who/what :1orglaugh)

Is my English that bad? I didn't say anything about Russians (if I did please do a favor and quote me). I was talking about the USSR which was as Russian as the whole EU is German. Also if you read my posts carefully, you'll see that I told exactly the folowing: Eastern Europe after Soviet control has ended up much better than Iraq or Libya after the US "liberation". Evil Soviets were noе even close to the modern USA that killing people left and right around the Globe in the name of the freedom and democracy :2 cents:

P.S. Personally you live in a free world only because 6 millions (approximately) of Soviet soldiers have lost their lives fighting Nazis. Don't forget that.

Russia empire start at kiev :1orglaugh

don't forget about aid from US during WW2 to USSR...it helped too :)

we remember that :thumbsup

mine too, and my relatives in Germany too will tell as they became relatives with Germans. and about rapes too.
+100500

Indeed. Before WW2 Eastern Europe was not lagging tat much behind in Europe. And then Soviets came and destroyed the economy, installed bad mentality (slacking at work, stealing from work, drinking etc etc) which lead to complete decline of economy. Not speaking about decline in morals.
Yet some stupid fuck is claiming that soviets actually helped those countries.
Seriously, how much of brain dead idiot you must be to spit fantasies like that? :Oh crap