sorry if I'm wrong, but I don't see Crimea as Russian territory on this map either... Shouldn't it go back to Turkey then or whoever was owner that time...

Borders in Europe changed zillion times in last millennium, you can't take something what was even 50 years ago as "ours" or "theirs"

awards of french cinema, just yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_C%C3%A9sar_Awards
"Me, Myself and Mum received ten nominations, Stranger by the Lake and Blue Is the Warmest Colour both received eight nominations each"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Is_the_Warmest_Colour
Plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_by_the_Lake
plot

The film also won the Queer Palm award

"Me, Myself and Mum" french title: Les garçons et Guillaume, à table!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2315200/...?ref_=tt_ov_pl
plot:

Now let me quote the leader of the christian party in france:
http://www.france-today.com/2013/05/...n-of-gays.html
""You can't watch a movie on television or a series without there being gays included and expressing themselves," she said."

of course, people critized her for claiming that, but what she said is actually the truth.
Why ? because it's the propaganda of the current governement.

You make a confusion between territorial continuity and territory

eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast

or:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay

how many Turks live in today's Crimea ? How many % Ukrainians ? And how many % Russians ?

there you have answer

With the war in Afganistan coming to an end, arms co's need to make their cash from somewhere.

Syria isn't that profitable.

It is not, Hitler staged killings to start war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Same principles that NATO used in Yugoslavia and other conquered countries.

Russians didn't attack first, and their response came after leaders of "opposition" ( normal person would call them terrorists) denied Russian as official language, after showing their support of nazi ideology. Russians gave biggest sacrifice in WW2 and they don't want their people under control of idiots (US and EU favorites) like this:



So what is happening was completely predictable. NATO (Germans, to be more prices just like they did in Yugoslavia and fueled war) pushed naive Ukrainians (at least some % of them) like they did in Georgia and we all know how it ended.

a proud Oakland Raiders fan

Well I don't want to reference hitler in this, but it could be a start for WW3 either way depending how fucked up the leaders are.

It was a long time ago I stopped being naive and trusting leaders. The world will never unite in anything not in my lifetime. The only thing they have been united in since WW2 is not starting another war. Still conflicts exists all over the world in small and big forms.

Anyway im not able to influence anything from where I stand, so knock yourself out leaders.

Ah Power & Greed! It's lovely!

Damn we conquered Yugoslavia? Shit when did that happen.

I loved that banjo tune he played in Deliverance.

Again..
Damn we conquered Yugoslavia? Shit when did that happen.

or define the word conquer for me, I think we may have different meanings?

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ow...70670083bf.jpg

Putin doesn?t need to invade Ukraine. He can destabilize it from the Kremlin.

Absolute Control of medias,control of governments, control of land by force (IFOR,KFOR, etc..), control of any decision of macroeconomic level, control of who will participate in political life of country, arresting and putting behind bars all people that were resisting (politicians or military staff that ) or that would try to resist, complete economic takeover from companies to banks, ordering not to let Russian money and banks into country for more then a decade, etc.. Puppet regimes that need to ask for permission for any bigger decission. That is not middle east where you need tansk on streets. Ocupation can be on various levels as stated above.

You have used your army to split Yugoslavia to pieces. It was the invasion. Any difference to what Putin did to Georgia or maybe gonna do to Ukraine?

P.S. Note that personally I do not support any military action on Ukraine involving Russian troops.

And when I say staged , I am talking about stuff that is usually used to start attack on country (WMD in iraq, for example ) or:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_massacre

Save your time:

In October 2008, Helena Ranta, the Finnish pathologist who had conducted the forensic examination on the Račak casualties, stated that she had been pressured to modify the contents of her report, both by the Finnish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and by William Walker, the head of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Kosovo Verification Mission, in order to make more explicit the role of Serb troops in the incident. She refused to do so.[38]

It was clear invasion and open ground war on Kosovo. NATO and Albanian army trying for months to crush Yugoslav army. Once they couldn't get through, brutal bombing of civilians started as retaliation for a military failure and example what will happen if army don't step back. Tons of content online, if you want to find them.

Are you really using a two hundred and fifty year old map to prove your point?

So the UN should have just sat back and done nothing? And allowed another shitfest like the last time?

You are a Serb yep?

And for six months leading up to the incident Hitler was screaming about how Germany had to protect Germans in Poland. Then it staged an incident that gave them the excuse to invade.

Now we have Russia claiming the need to protect Russians in Ukraine, and an incident has taken place giving Russia a reason to invade.

Not seeing much of a difference.

They didn't? Very strange, because at no point in time did Ukraine move troops or put troops in Russia. On the other hand, Russia has moved troops into Ukraine and has taken over both airports and government buildings.

How in the world can you say Russia didn't attack first?

Not caring. Really, completely not caring. This is like Mexicans here in California being upset because Spanish isn't a national language. They don't live in Russia, they live in Ukraine, and Russian is not the national language there.

Wut?

The bulk of the people in Ukraine want closer financial ties with Europe, but their President did the direct opposite, the government legally removed the President, and then Russia invades Ukraine and who are the Nazis here?

And how exactly did that end? I read this morning Russia still has troops in Georgia...

So if a large percent of a city, county, province, or state is mostly another nationality that gives another country the right to invade it?

Does this mean Ireland can take Boston from the US?

Does this mean Japan can claim San Francisco?

Can Mexico "take back" Texas?

The answer is no.

Said by a cheap slovakian asshole.

Big Mistake.

They are not Russians. They are Ukrainian citizens who speak Russian.

Back in the USSR days Russian language took over in many areas of Ukraine, and not Ukraine only but in many others Soviet Republics.

Once The Soviet Union collapsed those people CHOSE to live in Ukraine, got Ukrainian passports and became citizens.

you have an house and a family and you stay where you are not matters if it is ukraine or not :2 cents:

Not sure about what last time you are talking about. We are talking about arming muslim terrorists to kill , and kidnap people. They were terrorist organization even for their US sponsors, until they they needed them as excuse for invasion. To save your time,paste from wikipedia:

[I]In February 1998, U.S. President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, condemned both the actions of Serb government and of the KLA, and described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group".[10][43][44] UN resolution 1160 took a similar stance.[45][46]
But the 1997 US Department's terrorist list hadn't included the KLA.[47] In March 1998, just one month later Gerbald had to modify his statements to say that KLA had not been classified legally by the U.S. government as a terrorist group,....

Yes I know about it. It just seems there are some brainwashed persons that have no clue :2 cents:

Selective memory.

Not that it was entirely Serbia's fault but the Bosnian/Croat/Serb tussle that got somewhat out of hand.

Just FYI:

GDP per capita in Ukraine: $3,867
GDP per capita in Slovak Republic: $16,847

Oops :)

Actually ALL national Ukrainians are Russians. They are Russians from Western Okraina (Ukraine) of Russia (AKA Malorossia). Kiev was a capital of Russia if you forgot that. You can deny it as many times as you want (хоть до усрачки), but you are Russian too :2 cents:

Of course not. Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich have decided for ALL of us (the citizens of the USSR). Nobody asked us where we want to live.

http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/...49b8e4e30c.jpg

Educate yourself :2 cents:

How is that related?

Ah, I forgot, you're used to do what you're being told to. Go fuck yourself then.

they don't decice in which country they want to live, they stay where they live because they live THERE, no matter what's the name of the country

Well, that is a matter of basic personal intelligence, if you have problem seeing difference
in two, not so complex events.

Russians intervened after violence is initiated by nazi supporters that whose videos you can see all over this site,also.


Russians citizens asked for help because of threats they are getting from guys like Alexandr Muzychko that already were killing Russians on Checen side and that is not something new. Maybe it is for you but not for them especially if they consider him responsible for slaughter of groups of marines and his clear message that he will fight Jews and Russians till the end. Anyway,there are no clashes yes and probably won't be because they will enter zones where people are asking for them and where is majority of Russian population.

Comparing Mexicans and their culture with Russian could be considered insult as I am concerned.But that is irrelevant, and your example is not good, because no one didn't take their right that Russians already had. That move clearly is showing what is planned for them.(as addition to open threats that no one could stage but they are there,available in this moment)


You serious? Government acted under threat of weapons and made decisions under those conditions. President was legally elected and accepted by whole civilized world. They decided to change things with violence without taking in consideration what will happen next. And if you are not familiar with nazi origin and ties , please browse boards here or just google it. It is ok not to be familiar with situation on the other side on planet, just like I don't know anything about Mexican rights, but ignoring historical facts and way how they declare is really irresponsible.
And what about another half of country that wants economic ties with Russia instead of empty promises from EU?

Precisely, bad for ordinary people. Ukrainians should vote for government or separation of country. If russians are smart,they will ask for that and stop further offensive measure.

You're not? You live in Poland, right? Are you are Poland citizen? You are not. Why? because you can't (you still have an Ukrainian passport). You're just a miserable immigrant there (you're less than nothing). So go fuck yourself, looser.

A leader of the Ukrainian radical group Pravy Sektor (Right Sector), Dmitry Yarosh, has called on Russia?s most wanted terrorist Doku Umarov to act against Russia in an address posted on Right Sector?s page in VKontakte social network.

The statement points out that ?many Ukrainians with arms in the hands? supported Chechen militants in their fight against Russians and ?it is time to support Ukraine now.?

The message, signed ?leader of Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh? then calls on Umarov ?to activate his fight? and ?take a unique chance to win? over Russia.

http://cs605231.vk.me/v605231314/1cae/QtvhjVH-lpk.jpg
http://rt.com/files/news/23/01/40/00/1.jpg

Selective or not, still much better then not knowing facts and who to blame for war in Bosnia :

On 18 March 1992, all three sides signed the agreement; Alija Izetbegović for the Bosniaks, Radovan Karad?ić for the Serbs and Mate Boban for the Croats.
On 28 March 1992, however, Izetbegović withdrew his signature and declared his opposition to any type of division of Bosnia, after meeting with then US ambassador to Yugoslavia, Warren Zimmermann, in Sarajevo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_p..._Bosnian_ War

just to add, former US secretary of state madelene allbright accuses the KLA of human organ trafficking and interpol claim they control 70% of the heroin trade in europe but im sure they are just ""freedom fighters"" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well that's exactly what Albanians did in part of Serbia called Kosovo...

Got in last 30 years, fuck like rabbits, make 2 mils of them there... take guns, kill citizens etc... our military try to stop it, it gets worse, our army gets in... put them out...
And there you go NATO boomb bad Serbians , lol

And Kosovo is de facto Serbian land for a century ... and 600 years before that while we were under Turkey...

What did US got in return? Biggest army base ever, so now they can throw boombs on Russia or China if they want:)

Man all this political games are so lame ... makes me wanna puke from them..
Only normal people will suffer no one else.. that's why i say i hope there won't be wars and people don't die anywhere ! And my country can be called whatever i don't care... as long as we live peaceful and normal life... my 2 cents.