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klinton 02-27-2014 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19997552)
The strange thing on video is that armed civilians are interrogating police patrols in a rude form like masters speaks to their slaves.

that what i meant

Sid70 02-27-2014 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 19997545)
Kiev I think.

Revolution time, the people do require cops to report, in Ukraine cops don't do their job at all.

just a punk 02-27-2014 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19997563)
that what i meant

A story of Alexandr Mazychko a former mercenary who was fighting for Chechen terrorists, is now one of the Maydan leaders:



What a nice guy, isn't it? :winkwink:

Sid70 02-27-2014 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19997540)
On first video people in Odessa chanting: "Russia! Russia! Fascism shall not pass!". On the second video some armed bandits on gas station are interrogate transport Police patrols on why they are left their "place of dislocation" and who allowed them to fill their cars and buy ice-cream there. They believe they are new power there :disgust

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...94292395_n.jpg

just a punk 02-27-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19997563)
that what i meant

Those are just policemen. Now look how the new peaceful and intelligent Maydan government should talk to a prosecutor. Now I don't worry about the bright future of Ukraine :thumbsup



:winkwink:

evy97 02-27-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19997682)

Valuev vs Klitschko would be a good fight.

_Richard_ 02-27-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19997604)
A story of Alexandr Mazychko a former mercenary who was fighting for Chechen terrorists, is now one of the Maydan leaders:



What a nice guy, isn't it? :winkwink:

here is hoping the Canadian delegation can get a photoop with mr. 'i gots me some grenades'

klinton 02-27-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19997552)
Actually everyone can ask a policeman to show the id. Can't say for the Ukraine, but here in Russia, police officers MUST show their ids to anyone who's asking for it. So I don't see anything strange on that.

btw is it true that In Russia, far far away from Moscow and St. Petersburg, somewhere in east Russia or interior they sometimes shot to Russian Road Police ? what is the name of it ? Дорожно-постовая служба ? i heard that it is not most respected Police in Russia, for their notorious bribe extortions etc...

Sid70 02-27-2014 01:05 PM

"Нет в этом мире мельче, сволочнее и хамовитее особи, чем кацап. Рождённый в нацистской стране, вскормленный пропагандой нацизма, - этот ублюдок никогда не станет Человеком. У его страны нет друзей - либо холуи, либо враги. Его страна способна только угрожать, унижать и убивать. И за сохранение этого статуса Рассеей рядовой кацап готов пожертвовать собственной жизнью, жизнями своих родителей и детей, качеством жизни собственного народа. Воистину: кацапы - звери. Лютые, кровожадные, но... смертные".

А. Солженицин

klinton 02-27-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998165)
"Нет в этом мире мельче, сволочнее и хамовитее особи, чем кацап. Рождённый в нацистской стране, вскормленный пропагандой нацизма, - этот ублюдок никогда не станет Человеком. У его страны нет друзей - либо холуи, либо враги. Его страна способна только угрожать, унижать и убивать. И за сохранение этого статуса Рассеей рядовой кацап готов пожертвовать собственной жизнью, жизнями своих родителей и детей, качеством жизни собственного народа. Воистину: кацапы - звери. Лютые, кровожадные, но... смертные".

А. Солженицин

btw, do you know Solzenicyn's opinions after he returned to Russia ? in 90's and 200xs ? He was supporter of Putin....

just a punk 02-27-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19997682)

:thumbsup :1orglaugh

Sid70 02-27-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998211)
btw, do you know Solzenicyn's opinions after he returned to Russia ? in 90's and 200xs ? He was supporter of Putin....

We could troll each other all day long, no one cares what we say, Ukraine is taking it's path no matter what.

ZURICH, Feb 27 (Reuters) - The Swiss government said it will order banks to freeze any funds in Swiss banks found to be linked to ousted President Viktor Yanukovich.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSWEB00JDP20140227

just a punk 02-27-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998165)
"Нет в этом мире мельче, сволочнее и хамовитее особи, чем кацап. Рождённый в нацистской стране, вскормленный пропагандой нацизма, - этот ублюдок никогда не станет Человеком. У его страны нет друзей - либо холуи, либо враги. Его страна способна только угрожать, унижать и убивать. И за сохранение этого статуса Рассеей рядовой кацап готов пожертвовать собственной жизнью, жизнями своих родителей и детей, качеством жизни собственного народа. Воистину: кацапы - звери. Лютые, кровожадные, но... смертные".

А. Солженицин

Не его стиль. Фэйк это. Причем, топорный. Ты наверно совсем мозги пропил, раз попался на такой тупой развод. Слов вроде "жид" и "кацап" нет ни в одном его произведении, дурилка ты картонная :1orglaugh

Итаки да, Солженицин поддерживал Путина, а я например - нет. Не поддерживал и ни разу не голосовал ни за него, ни за Медведева :2 cents:

Sid70 02-27-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19996088)
http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1110/fa/a583f952bf61.jpg
А у нас вот так - каждый день!

Ахуенчик.

Sid70 02-27-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19998249)
Не его стиль. Фэйк это. Причем, топорный. Ты наверно совсем мозги пропил, раз попался на такой тупой развод. Слов вроде "жид" и "кацап" нет ни в одном его произведении, дурилка ты картонная :1orglaugh

Правда она такая - жжот!


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Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19998249)

Итаки да, Солженицин поддерживал Путина, а я например - нет. Не поддерживал и ни разу не голосовал ни за него, ни за Медведева :2 cents:

Главное, что он думал и писал о Шариковых, типа тебя.

klinton 02-27-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998233)
We could troll each other all day long, no one cares what we say, Ukraine is taking it's path no matter what.

ZURICH, Feb 27 (Reuters) - The Swiss government said it will order banks to freeze any funds in Swiss banks found to be linked to ousted President Viktor Yanukovich.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSWEB00JDP20140227

i'm far from trolling, just posted question(s) :P
to you and cyberseo actually ;-)

Sid70 02-27-2014 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998263)
i'm far from trolling, just posted question(s) :P
to you and cyberseo actually ;-)

Why would you want an opinion from a Russian?

CAHEK 02-27-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19997604)
A story of Alexandr Mazychko a former mercenary who was fighting for Chechen terrorists, is now one of the Maydan leaders:



What a nice guy, isn't it? :winkwink:



Really ? You Think So ? :Grrrrrr

just a punk 02-27-2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998257)
Главное, что он думал и писал о Шариковых, типа тебя.

Старый пьянчуга-Шариков это ты, кто поддерживает пришедших власти на Украине Швондеров.



Ничего не напоминает?



:winkwink:

just a punk 02-27-2014 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998268)
Why would you want an opinion from a Russian?

I would correct: a misery Russian alcoholic who left Ukraine and lives in Poland now :2 cents:

Kolargol 02-28-2014 01:01 AM

Russian army just took over ukrainian airports in Crimea. Gasprom stocks down.

ZiggiZiggiCrew 02-28-2014 01:44 AM

AK without bullets? or photoshop?

http://img.gazeta.ru/files3/533/5930...x340-48656.jpg

evy97 02-28-2014 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19998757)
Russian army just took over ukrainian airports in Crimea. Gasprom stocks down.

doesn't look like russian army more likely Berkut

klinton 02-28-2014 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998268)
Why would you want an opinion from a Russian?

because he lives in Russia ? and my question was that below, but he ignored it :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998102)
btw is it true that In Russia, far far away from Moscow and St. Petersburg, somewhere in east Russia or interior they sometimes shot to Russian Road Police ? what is the name of it ? Дорожно-постовая служба ? i heard that it is not most respected Police in Russia, for their notorious bribe extortions etc...


klinton 02-28-2014 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19998757)
Russian army just took over ukrainian airports in Crimea. Gasprom stocks down.

completely normal and logical move...regardless if it was russian army or her "hidden" supporters or specops

TheSquealer 02-28-2014 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998800)
because he lives in Russia ? and my question was that below, but he ignored it :)

It used to be very common through the 90s because the legal system had not been fully updated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and basically... a person would get 15 years for drugs in the car or a gun or 15 years for shooting the cop. So,... a lot of cops got shot.

just a punk 02-28-2014 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998800)
because he lives in Russia ? and my question was that below, but he ignored it :)

I didn't ignore that question. I have no idea about "shorting". And yes, the transport police is the most corrupted one. It will be corrupted till the people will stop giving them bribes.

just a punk 02-28-2014 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998801)
completely normal and logical move...regardless if it was russian army or her "hidden" supporters or specops

Exactly. There are no official confirmation yet that it's a Russian army. So I would prefer to wait before of making any conclusions :2 cents:

just a punk 02-28-2014 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19998803)
It used to be very common through the 90s because the legal system had not been fully updated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and basically... a person would get 15 years for drugs in the car or a gun or 15 years for shooting the cop. So,... a lot of cops got shot.

What country are you talking about? If you'll get caught with a gun, you'll get 2 years of prison. If you shoot a cop in Russia you'll get a lifetime sentence, because it's considered as a very serious crime. So it's an extremely rare case here if someone shoots at police. And vice versa, it's very rare case if police shoot at civilians in Russia (incomparably rare than in the USA, for example).

Sid70 02-28-2014 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19998729)
I would correct: a misery Russian alcoholic who left Ukraine and lives in Poland now :2 cents:

You said you lived in Moscow, that's where old alconauts come from. You, yourself, are at least 36 years old, and you call yourself what ? Young? See you should be getting grey in your pubic hair lol

Sid70 02-28-2014 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19998801)
completely normal and logical move...regardless if it was russian army or her "hidden" supporters or specops

Logical? How is that logical? Normal? Are you out of your mind?
Tomorrow, Japan invades Kuril Islands, gives Japanese passports out and then
invades in - is that logical?

What Russia is doing now it's a WAR. Gonna be a lot of blood soon.

Marcin978 02-28-2014 06:15 AM

I agree with CyberSeo in 99% all the time.

There is massive propaganda against Russia, all over the world.
I'm from Poland and 90% of us know whats going on on Ukraine
but TV, Politicians is sponsored by USA, CIA, EU and they are just lying.

USA sponsored every revolution, browse youtube, browse internet, seek yourself for proofs.

Russia will free Europe one more time. You will see.
Slavic Nations should be together!

I'm not Russia lover, but i see that Politics from USA, west are mega hypocrites, and bunch of liars. Politics from my country are
USA servants too. Only Russia can be against this evil force.

Sid70 02-28-2014 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcin978 (Post 19998934)
I agree with CyberSeo in 99% all the time.

There is massive propaganda against Russia, all over the world.
I'm from Poland and 90% of us know whats going on on Ukraine
but TV, Politicians is sponsored by USA, CIA, EU and they are just lying.

USA sponsored every revolution, browse youtube, browse internet, seek yourself for proofs.

Russia will free Europe one more time. You will see.
Slavic Nations should be together!

I'm not Russia lover, but i see that Politics from USA, west are mega hypocrites, and bunch of liars. Politics from my country are
USA servants too. Only Russia can be against this evil force.

Marcin, I dunno what part of Poland you are from, but here in Malopolska what you say is ridiculous.

Cherry7 02-28-2014 06:57 AM

If Poland were a successful economy its working class would not have left the country.

As Polish is now the 2nd language in the UK and there are Poles living in every village. It is millions who have left, The biggest emigration in history in peace time.

The effects in the UK have been falling wages for most working class. The Poles earn to little to buy houses and are trapped in low wages poor housing. With of course exceptions that have made businesses and shops.

Is this a possibility for the Ukraine? Where would all the jobs come from?

The world needs to direct economic activity to where people need it.

TheSquealer 02-28-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19998840)
What country are you talking about? If you'll get caught with a gun, you'll get 2 years of prison. If you shoot a cop in Russia you'll get a lifetime sentence, because it's considered as a very serious crime. So it's an extremely rare case here if someone shoots at police. And vice versa, it's very rare case if police shoot at civilians in Russia (incomparably rare than in the USA, for example).

When i lived in Vladivostok in the 90's/early 2000's... GIBDD (formerly GAI) were getting shot constantly. In the late 90's at GIBDD posts, they had to wear a bullet proof vest and a flak jacket. Thats a simple fact. I was there. It's a fact just like all the other simple facts that you insist aren't true. And no one but you is comparing anything to the USA.

BTW... for a while in the late 90's, the did change the law to make it legal for GAI to shoot at anyone who didn't stop and a lot of people got shot and got shot at. It was obviously a horrible idea being that GAI was well known for attracting the dumbest human beings in existence. The law was eventually rescinded. I am starting to suspect you are in a mental hospital posting and the truth is that you've never been outside the front doors.

Now please... feel free again to deny the facts. I'd feel bad if you didn't.

Marcin978 02-28-2014 07:03 AM

read polish comments on mayor news portals
you will see how young people "love" USA ad West :)

how they love their democracy

You will see what people think about Ukrainian nacionalists who are mayor force in Maidan
and this whole propaganda of love to them.

stoka 02-28-2014 07:41 AM



+1

just a punk 02-28-2014 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 19998977)
Is this a possibility for the Ukraine? Where would all the jobs come from?

They don't need a job because they have AK47 now :winkwink:

just a punk 02-28-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19998978)
When i lived in Vladivostok in the 90's/early 2000's... GIBDD (formerly GAI) were getting shot constantly.

What "facts" are you talking about? You are trying to compare now and then. 90's were real gangsta times here. Now it's a different country. And I was answering to a question on what's going on here now (not 10 or 15 years ago). That's a big difference you know?

Just one thing to compare. $300 was a real cool salary in the late 90s/early 2000 (most were paid about $100-$150 a month - no j/k). Now even a subway train driver is about $2000...$3000 a month.

Sid70 02-28-2014 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 19998977)
If Poland were a successful economy its working class would not have left the country.

As Polish is now the 2nd language in the UK and there are Poles living in every village. It is millions who have left, The biggest emigration in history in peace time.

The effects in the UK have been falling wages for most working class. The Poles earn to little to buy houses and are trapped in low wages poor housing. With of course exceptions that have made businesses and shops.

Is this a possibility for the Ukraine? Where would all the jobs come from?

The world needs to direct economic activity to where people need it.


I'm in Poland. Comparing to Ukrainian reality it's better in terms of social infrastructure, financial services and even job market.

Western people simply can't imagine corruption level in Ukraine, there are things you'd start shitting bricks once you hear about, there is no common sense used for anything, things get complicated on purpose - somebody's making money on that, and, in most cases, it's mafia = Government.

Regarding Ukraine, you're questioning things that are not really important in the first place, what if I told there are no jobs now, there were no jobs before, no salaries right now, people don't care, people survive - especially elder people.

You need to understand that we've been robbed by our Government and Presdient in particular. That was the reason we wanted to get rid of him.

National question. Once again, the separation idea has been brought in by Yanukovich himself, clearly with support of Russian propaganda and media to divide and rule.

just a punk 02-28-2014 08:18 AM

Edit for TheSquealer: $300 was a cool salary for a professional programmer in the late 90s/early 2000 but not for a builder or for a subway train driver who just passed a 6-month education course. So, comparing Russia then and Russia now is totally incorrect :2 cents:

Sid70 02-28-2014 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcin978 (Post 19998982)
read polish comments on mayor news portals
you will see how young people "love" USA ad West :)

how they love their democracy

You will see what people think about Ukrainian nacionalists who are mayor force in Maidan
and this whole propaganda of love to them.

I speak to other Poles that are on my side, sorry, dude.

Sid70 02-28-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19999063)
Edit for TheSquealer: $300 was a cool salary for a professional programmer but not for a builder or for a subway train driver who just passed a 6-month education course. So, comparing Russia then and Russia now is totally incorrect :2 cents:

One notice. $300 before was fucking $300, now even $800 you could barely eat on. Dollar has fallen 2 times in value, remember that? So nothing has changed really.

just a punk 02-28-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19998757)
Russian army just took over ukrainian airports in Crimea. Gasprom stocks down.

Gasprom down for about 1%, Lukoil down twice more, Sberbank is up. The overall RTS index is 0.5% up. So nothing upstanding there - just a usual fluctuation :2 cents:

just a punk 02-28-2014 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19999066)
One notice. $300 before was fucking $300, now even $800 you could barely eat on.

Dollar has fallen during last 10 years but not 20 times (a cool salary for a professional programer is about $6000 now) :2 cents:

As about $800. An average Ukrainian earns even less, but I haven't heard about another "golodomor" there. Seems they are able to eat on that money w/o problems :2 cents:

Sid70 02-28-2014 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19999114)
Dollar has fallen during last 10 years but not 20 times (a cool salary for a professional programer is about $6000 now) :2 cents:

As about $800. An average Ukrainian earns even less, but I haven't heard about another "golodomor" there. Seems they are able to eat on that money w/o problems :2 cents:

it's $14k in Ukraine for a team lead. I offered my buddies to move to Poland and Germany, they lold at me, because here people pay tax.
IT sector is not a good sample.

klinton 02-28-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19998928)
Logical? How is that logical? Normal? Are you out of your mind?
Tomorrow, Japan invades Kuril Islands, gives Japanese passports out and then
invades in - is that logical?

What Russia is doing now it's a WAR. Gonna be a lot of blood soon.

they have base in there...legally rented...so their move is logical...putting aside also all Crimea's past...and putting aside that most of Crimea's people are actually Russians...or sympathizing with Russians....
imagine what would do USA with their Guantanamo base in Cuba during similiar events ?
It is such logical as support for the goverment that actually has won battle of power during violent uprising...I am still waiting for votes from nation...to have legitmate govermenent in Ukraine

I'm not anti Russian, or antiUkrainian or whatever...I just use common sense...and I'm actually tired of media in my country lying on current situation in Ukraine 24/7...LYING...and i'm tired of many things, such as minister in my country's who could be hero from Polanski's movie "ghost writer"...etc etc.

The thing that happens now in Ukraine is the thing/case/matter of Ukraine nation...and maybe also Russia, Poland (and Germany -to support polish side during hard negotations with Russia ;-) ). basically saying - is the thing of Ukraine and its closest neighbours...what the f.. USA want here ? Do somebody from Russia or Germany tell how Mexico should be governed ? US already did what they did, with their bullshit "wars": on terror, drugs etc. installing brutal govs in South America, killing Allende etc.

Sid70 02-28-2014 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19999131)
they have base in there...legally rented...so their move is logical...putting aside also all Crimea's past...and putting aside that most of Crimea's people are actually Russians...or sympathizing with Russians....
imagine what would do USA with their Guantanamo base in Cuba during similiar events ?
It is such logical as support for the goverment that actually has won battle of power during violent uprising...I am still waiting for votes from nation...to have legitmate govermenent in Ukraine

I'm not anti Russian, or antiUkrainian or whatever...I just use common sense...and I'm actually tired of media in my country lying on current situation in Ukraine 24/7...LYING...and i'm tired of many things, such as minister in my country's who could be hero from Polanski's movie "ghost writer"...etc etc.

The thing that happens now in Ukraine is the thing/case/matter of Ukraine nation...and maybe also Russia, Poland (and Germany -to support polish side during hard negotations with Russia ;-) ). basically saying - is the thing of Ukraine and its closest neighbours...what the f.. USA want here ? Do somebody from Russia or Germany tell how Mexico should be governed ? US already did what they did, with their bullshit "wars": on terror, drugs etc. installing brutal govs in South America, killing Allende etc.


They should stick to their base only.
Actually that was Yanukovich who extended the rent, I'd cut off.

Kolargol 02-28-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcin978 (Post 19998982)
read polish comments on mayor news portals
you will see how young people "love" USA ad West :)

how they love their democracy

You will see what people think about Ukrainian nacionalists who are mayor force in Maidan
and this whole propaganda of love to them.

Average people from east try become more western which means less corruption, less crime, more safety and peace. If they dont succeed they emigrate or look for jobs in this "hated" west. Considering it is US based board and most of our clients and cooperators are in USA or Western Europe I think one could safely assume that these are our aspirations.

just a punk 02-28-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19999124)
it's $14k in Ukraine for a team lead. I offered my buddies to move to Poland and Germany, they lold at me, because here people pay tax.
IT sector is not a good sample.

I'm not talking about senior developer, team lead and other positions. I just compared salary of a programmer 10 ago and now. It has changed for about 20 times. If that's not good indicator, let's compare realty prices, for example.


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