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just a punk 02-24-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19994176)
but ask around in all former USSR countries like the Baltic states, Poland, CZ etc if they would have rather stayed with Russia after 1991

With Russia or with Soviet Union? Funny but a lot of people will prefer to stay wit Russia (nobody loves the USSR and it does not exists anymore...)

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/V...ZhOYP-8s4m.jpg

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994228)
Вот именно. У России есть нефть и газ, есть сталелитейная промышленность, оружейная и т.д. А что есть у Украины? Да нифига нет, твои Юли и Вити развалили все нахрен. И давай не будем петь эту хрень про "нищую Россию". Неактуально нифига. У меня теща работает врачом в деревне и получает $1500...$2000 в месяц, ездит на ниссан альмера и собирается покупать квартиру в ближнем подмосковье (тебе-голодранцу наши цены на жилье даже во сне не поднять). Отец у меня получает пенсию в районе $700. Да, считаю, что это очень мало и помогаю материально, но по сравнению с нищими украинцами, это уже какие-то деньги. Так ведь, нищеброд?

З.Ы. О своих доходах не говорю, т.к. не завишу от государства и плачу всего 6% налогов, но я пользуюсь бесплатной и вполне себе качественной медициной, мой сын бесплатно учится в одном из лучших ВУЗов страны (МиФИ) и даже получает стипендию (пусть и смешную) за это. Так что, не надо мотать сопли на кулак и рассказывать о "нищих русских". Тебе уже тупо никто не поверит, голодранец.


It's Putin to blame. He used his puppet Yanukovich to try collapsing Ukraine to buy it cheap.

About Russian education... I won't touch the dead ground.

In case you didn't know there are many Universities in the EU where education is free.
Ah, one thing, gotta speak the language.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:25 PM

Ah, and dividing people on poor and wealthy is sort of very Russian.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:25 PM

Ты не только от путина прешься, тебя еще и этот актер вставляет. Да ты точно педераст. Возможно латентный...

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:26 PM

And I'm not here to compare Russia to Ukraine.
I'm here to support Ukrainians who finally did the right thing.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19994244)
Ты не только от путина прешься, тебя еще и этот актер вставляет. Да ты точно педераст. Возможно латентный...

Пиздуй на крутоп, мудак маскофский, как-то так.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sid70 (Post 19994210)
how about you quit asking for something that you have no power and relation to, fag?

Ну так это ж нормально, что я спрашиваю о том, что не находится под моим королем. По крайней мере, это логично.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994238)
With Russia or with Soviet Union? Funny but a lot of people will prefer to stay wit Russia (nobody loves the USSR and it does not exists anymore...)

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/V...ZhOYP-8s4m.jpg

Id does. In your mind. In your behavior. It's not going anywhere, you keep it strong in your DNA.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19994249)
Ну так это ж нормально, что я спрашиваю о том, что не находится под моим королем. По крайней мере, это логично.

Ебанутая логика.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sid70 (Post 19994213)
Мы будем торговать русскими медведями.

Кто "мы"? Ты трусливое говно, сбежавшее из собственной страны. Ты сейчас о Польше говоришь? Что-то подсказывает мне, что полякам твои хотелки совершенно монописуальны. Ты там никто - дворовая собака или кошка, которую в любой момент можно вышвырнуть или тупо усыпить. Знай свое место уже, смерд.

MaDalton 02-24-2014 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994238)
With Russia or with Soviet Union? Funny but a lot of people will prefer to stay wit Russia (nobody loves the USSR and it does not exists anymore...)

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/V...ZhOYP-8s4m.jpg

since i have understood that this uproar recently is about free trade association with either Russia or the EU, i also mean exactly what I wrote.

Ask those countries if they would have preferred not to join the EU and go the way of Belarus or Kazakhstan

MaDalton 02-24-2014 12:35 PM

I am pretty sure for example that I know what the inventors of Skype would have to say about this.

Emma 02-24-2014 12:35 PM

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/8v...7067008aa4.jpg
Russia says it won't deal with 'armed mutineers' in Kiev.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19994253)
Кто "мы"? Ты трусливое говно, сбежавшее из собственной страны. Ты сейчас о Польше говоришь? Что-то подсказывает мне, что полякам твои хотелки совершенно монописуальны. Ты там никто - дворовая собака или кошка, которую в любой момент можно вышвырнуть или тупо усыпить. Знай свое место уже, смерд.

Ты же бесишься сейчас, ногти грызешь, знаешь, что я лучше тебя.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19994240)
It's Putin to blame. He used his puppet Yanukovich to try collapsing Ukraine to buy it cheap.

Ага, путин во всем виноват. Еще он виноват в том, что Юля подписала с Путиным крайне невыгодный для Украины договор по газу, за что и села, кстати (Путин был против, но кто ж его слушал).



Неожиданно, да? :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19994240)
About Russian education... I won't touch the dead ground.

Прекрасно, что ты засунул свой язык в задницу. где ему и место. Тот же МиФИ сотрудничает практически со всеми университетами мира, куда отправляет своих студентов на стажировку. Например, по специальности моего сына это MIT. Х.з. знаешь ли то что такое MIT или нет. Мне похрену, на самом деле.

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:41 PM

Fun is CyberSeo is going nuts about Ukrainian choice, he's full of shit sending me anal rays of anger.

I believe it's time for him to start doing that with Americans, Germans, British people on gfy to show why Russian is better.

We're ready, pop-corn's ready.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19994260)
since i have understood that this uproar recently is about free trade association with either Russia or the EU, i also mean exactly what I wrote.

Ask those countries if they would have preferred not to join the EU and go the way of Belarus or Kazakhstan

How many of them were suggested that? Ah? ;)

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994268)
Ага, путин во всем виноват. Еще он виноват в том, что Юля подписала с Путиным крайне невыгодный для Украины договор по газу, за что и села, кстати (Путин был против, но кто ж его слушал).



Неожиданно, да? :1orglaugh



Прекрасно, что ты засунул свой язык в задницу. где ему и место. Тот же МиФИ сотрудничает практически со всеми университетами мира, куда отправляет своих студентов на стажировку. Например, по специальности моего сына это MIT. Х.з. знаешь ли то что такое MIT или нет. Мне похрену, на самом деле.

You seem nuts. Slow down, write in English, let people know who you are.
And fucking stick your son to Russia, you can't send him to America, it's not for patriots like you.

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sid70 (Post 19994266)
Ты же бесишься сейчас, ногти грызешь, знаешь, что я лучше тебя.

Ага, старый лысый и нищий алкоголик с Уркаины в Польше однозначно лучше меня. Да, я бешусь и грызу ногти (у котика, который спит у меня на столе). Ты просто неимоверно крут. Ты меня просто уделал в этом раунде :)

Sid70 02-24-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 19994277)
Ага, старый лысый и нищий алкоголик с Уркаины в Польше однозначно лучше меня. Да, я бешусь и грызу ногти (у котика, который спит у меня на столе). Ты просто неимоверно крут. Ты меня просто уделал в этом раунде :)

Так ты зоофил?

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19994273)
You seem nuts. Slow down, write in English, let people know who you are.

Чё русский-то язык забыл опять по-пьяне то? :winkwink:


just a punk 02-24-2014 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19994278)
Так ты зоофил?

Хохлофил я :pimp

MaDalton 02-24-2014 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994272)
How many f them were suggested that?

i am not sure if you really consider me that stupid or if you want to provoke me or anything like that...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 02-24-2014 12:52 PM



:stoned

ADG

_Richard_ 02-24-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19994261)
I am pretty sure for example that I know what the inventors of Skype would have to say about this.

the interesting thing is the russian wanted to do a bilateral trade package, and the europeans/us refused on the 'us or them' grounds

just a punk 02-24-2014 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19994285)
i am not sure if you really consider me that stupid or if you want to provoke me or anything like that...

. :pimp

MaDalton 02-24-2014 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19994291)
the interesting thing is the russian wanted to do a bilateral trade package, and the europeans/us refused on the 'us or them' grounds

well, figure out a way you can do both and you will make lots of people very happy

Sid70 02-24-2014 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19994282)
Хохлофил я :pimp

Even Google is unsure if there are gay people in Russia . . . :1orglaugh

http://oi58.tinypic.com/fmkqb7.jpg

_Richard_ 02-24-2014 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19994303)
well, figure out a way you can do both and you will make lots of people very happy

the world is happy the way it is

adultmobile 02-24-2014 03:50 PM

I read lots of politics here. Really, what matters it is employment and cash flow, not to change presidents. I got lots ukrainian girls in my cam site, and no one talked of politics, in fact some older one who was around in 2004 Orange revolution, simply told "Oh no, another revolution". Just, they complain now that Payoneer card (and any foreign card?) will not give cash in ATM, since couple of days, and no any idea when they may resume to work:

[23:18:13] Julia: I can't get my money.... pity...hard times now
[23:06:11] Julia: now I think maybe better move to russia ((

Can any ukrainian confirm if Payoneer, Paxum etc. are not cash-able from Ukraine now?

Cherry7 02-24-2014 04:35 PM

Poland is quoted as a success.

But one has to wonder how successful if its working class had to leave the country to find work.

With unemployment high in most of the Western Countries and after high influx of workers from the East where Ukrainian workers would go.

The model of closing the East factories down and exporting to them has no real future for the people of those countries.

The meddling of foreign powers in the Ukraine presents a terrible danger as borders quiet for 50 years fall into question.

sperbonzo 02-24-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19992113)

Of course there were protestors that started shooting back at the government agents, lots of them were ex army,


but....


For anyone that doesn't think that there were snipers shooting down unarmed people, here is raw video of it. I will NOT post this video, out of respect for this forum, because it is quite graphic and violent, but I will post the link. It was found for me by a good friend from the Ukraine, whose father lives 10 minutes walk from the square.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ac_1393113611

I am again warning people that this is a graphic video. Do not click on the link if you can be upset by high levels of violence.

_Richard_ 02-24-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19994547)
Of course there were protestors that started shooting back at the government agents, lots of them were ex army,


but....


For anyone that doesn't think that there were snipers shooting down unarmed people, here is raw video of it. I will NOT post this video, out of respect for this forum, because it is quite graphic and violent, but I will post the link. It was found for me by a good friend from the Ukraine, whose father lives 10 minutes walk from the square.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ac_1393113611

I am again warning people that this is a graphic video. Do not click on the link if you can be upset by high levels of violence.

fuck. that's the POV from that clip of protestors trying to push the line.

our tax dollars at work, eh?

Sid70 02-24-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 19994517)
Poland is quoted as a success.

But one has to wonder how successful if its working class had to leave the country to find work.

With unemployment high in most of the Western Countries and after high influx of workers from the East where Ukrainian workers would go.

The model of closing the East factories down and exporting to them has no real future for the people of those countries.

The meddling of foreign powers in the Ukraine presents a terrible danger as borders quiet for 50 years fall into question.

"Terrible" is when you feel enslaved by a neanderthal president in your home country you can't leave, Ukrainians have been living legally enslaved for too long to call what you suggested "terrible". Also, Poland is probably the most successful country among the other Eastern European ones.

adultmobile 02-24-2014 07:10 PM

On a serious note, Paxum ATM withdrawal (in Kiev) worked 2 days ago, but not Payoneer (in other city). Anyone there tried to cash payoneer, paxum in Ukraine in past 48 hours? I would care more to the banks and less to the propaganda.

oppoten 02-24-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19994604)
"Terrible" is when you feel enslaved by a neanderthal president in your home country you can't leave, Ukrainians have been living legally enslaved for too long to call what you suggested "terrible".

But was it entirely the fault of the president, and will it really be so different now?

The last revolution promised change but didn't deliver. Protestors have already been complaining about "the same old faces" going into parliament, in their BMWs and Mercedes. I'm a long way away so maybe I'm ignorant, but it looks to me that your institutions are corrupt, and that the removal of the president on its own will not change this. If I'm ignorant then I apologize.

ZiggiZiggiCrew 02-24-2014 10:26 PM

в общем заебали меня срачи про то как хохлы вот-вот пездато заживут как тока от России отделятся и кредит в Европе возьмут...я это с 1991 года слышу, 23 года, сцуко!

поэтому прекращаю срацца на эту тему и иду работать на рудники, пока Putin меня в GULAG не отправил за тунеядство:Oh crap
а украинцам от всего сердца желаю наконец выбрать честного и умного президента, например такого:thumbsup
http://11na11.com/wp-content/uploads...super-gepa.jpg
прокачан не хуже Путена и Кличка:thumbsup

и эта, верните Крым, сцуки!

just a punk 02-24-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 19994796)
и эта, верните Крым, сцуки!

Навеяло :)


klinton 02-25-2014 03:52 AM

what do you think, how the goverment in USA or UK would react after 3 months of events like that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-8ww_fyrg
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7AqkBl32k

etc. etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnq2kHnt_WA
it is always nice to post sexy young girl to talk nice things....most of audience will believe it ? or not ?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

btw. how the US or French goverment would react if protesters would start to storm gov buildings ? (like Capitol, for example...)


Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19994547)
Of course there were protestors that started shooting back at the government agents, lots of them were ex army,


but....


For anyone that doesn't think that there were snipers shooting down unarmed people, here is raw video of it. I will NOT post this video, out of respect for this forum, because it is quite graphic and violent, but I will post the link. It was found for me by a good friend from the Ukraine, whose father lives 10 minutes walk from the square.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ac_1393113611

I am again warning people that this is a graphic video. Do not click on the link if you can be upset by high levels of violence.


klinton 02-25-2014 04:03 AM

anyway, the different story is that....in normal country before signin some deal with EU or Russia you make referendum...and make people vote...to make decision on nations future and fate...

btw. , did Bush made some referendum before sending troops to Iraq ? i dont think so...(oh yes, he didnt because it was case of "national security" hahaha...)... so you know...each gov is bunch of power and money greedy liers....in each country...i prefer to be pussy greedy :P

Matyko 02-25-2014 04:22 AM

Congratulations for Ukraine, phuck Putin and russian influence. :pimp

Blingbaby 02-25-2014 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19991786)
thx for the video....dont want to be cynical, but still wonder why they didnt use gas or other more "peaceful" ways....too make people scared ? it was too late already....

Thousands of years later and the greedy people on this planet still don't know any better. Wallowing in riches and fancy cars and villas while the people starve is never good for business and you will lose your head. Proven time and time again!

wehateporn 02-25-2014 04:39 AM

Let's hope Russia manage to take back control after this Western Coup :2 cents:

Manfap 02-25-2014 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19994953)
what do you think, how the goverment in USA or UK would react after 3 months of events like that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-8ww_fyrg
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7AqkBl32k

etc. etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnq2kHnt_WA
it is always nice to post sexy young girl to talk nice things....most of audience will believe it ? or not ?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

btw. how the US or French goverment would react if protesters would start to storm gov buildings ? (like Capitol, for example...)

True that.

Sometimes it takes even less

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_massacre.jpg

Difficult situation there. you can understand Russias concern with the EU pressing at its borders. Look how much meddling the US did in South/Central America in the past.

Most news is only 1/2 the story.

Whats best? Fuck knows. Vote on a country split and allow the seperate areas to do what they want no?

Blingbaby 02-25-2014 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19994953)
what do you think, how the goverment in USA or UK would react after 3 months of events like that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-8ww_fyrg
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7AqkBl32k

etc. etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnq2kHnt_WA
it is always nice to post sexy young girl to talk nice things....most of audience will believe it ? or not ?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

btw. how the US or French goverment would react if protesters would start to storm gov buildings ? (like Capitol, for example...)

What's your question exactly? Although I don't think this is coming to US anytime soon, if the government forces were faced with the same level of momentum and force, they would do just what Yanufuckoff did, flee. The difference is in the US people have guns so the people in charge tend to take this in consideration and are a bit more careful about pissing EVERYBODY off until they have no friends. You learn these things in Kindergarten, but some folks never learn I guess..

femdomdestiny 02-25-2014 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19994953)
what do you think, how the goverment in USA or UK would react after 3 months of events like that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-8ww_fyrg
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7AqkBl32k

etc. etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnq2kHnt_WA
it is always nice to post sexy young girl to talk nice things....most of audience will believe it ? or not ?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

btw. how the US or French goverment would react if protesters would start to storm gov buildings ? (like Capitol, for example...)

Precisely, you just saved me time to look for videos.I was watching how government reacted and police for a month back and I was confused how they are passive and not doing anything, Janukovich was naive thinking that if he don't respond things will calm down. They won't it and powers involved understood that as weakness.

Ukraine had three revolutions (if I am right) in their short existence. What people don't understand that is not about government, but about mentality of nation. What is the trick, put down Janukovich and bring back Timoshenko that already was stealing money?! How stupid someone must be. Anyway, hopefully there would be no more deaths but if they expect that Russian population and east of country will support nazi followers ,terrorists , western agents and give Sevastopol navy base ts it is simply silly. Trying to take by force will end like it ended in Georgia and South Ossetia.

Now, there is no crying, Russian warned that once Kosovo is taken by force from Serbia, rules will be changed forever but west ignored that and no one can tell them anything if they say we are protecting Russian population.

It already started anyway :
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ea/495113.html

Only idiots can't see what is going on and it is so predictable. (not only territories but also economic issues that are coming from this).

Oh, and regarding french, mu good friend's relative works in french police. Remember those demonstrations in Paris that lasted for days? How they solved it? Simple, going at doors and threatening to families of people they considered involved in organisation.

klinton 02-25-2014 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Blingbaby (Post 19995000)
What's your question exactly? Although I don't think this is coming to US anytime soon, if the government forces were faced with the same level of momentum and force, they would do just what Yanufuckoff did, flee. The difference is in the US people have guns so the people in charge tend to take this in consideration and are a bit more careful about pissing EVERYBODY off until they have no friends. You learn these things in Kindergarten, but some folks never learn I guess..

protesters in Ukraine also had guns...and molotov cocktails..

anyway, the other thing is that gov. snipers were shooting to mostly unarmed people..who were storming gov. buiildings

klinton 02-25-2014 05:22 AM

it is the choice of ukrainian people what they will do... but dont be surprised of Russia getting a little nervous...imagine same things happening in Mexico and Russia being supporter of one of political fronts, with their ambassador giving "sweets" to protesters in mexico city...kind of double standards, right ?
Russia is close neighbour of Ukraine with strong ties (both ways) to this country...so they have bigger right to feel something about this situation...to the contrary of US, who is just far away, on the other side of atlantic
Quote:

Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 19994973)
True that.

Sometimes it takes even less

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_massacre.jpg

Difficult situation there. you can understand Russias concern with the EU pressing at its borders. Look how much meddling the US did in South/Central America in the past.

Most news is only 1/2 the story.

Whats best? Fuck knows. Vote on a country split and allow the seperate areas to do what they want no?


klinton 02-25-2014 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 19995004)
Ukraine had three revolutions (if I am right) in their short existence. What people don't understand that is not about government, but about mentality of nation.

exactly.......

Sid70 02-25-2014 07:40 AM

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