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Minte 02-10-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19977689)
Because you don't own and run a large business, you don't understand that ANY increase in costs are a big deal.

I'm still sitting here laughing.:1orglaugh 40% of his income goes to health insurance. A great policy costs under $1500 a month.

Rochard 02-10-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19977696)
I'm still sitting here laughing.:1orglaugh 40% of his income goes to health insurance. A great policy costs under $1500 a month.

Not when you are married, have three kids, and two out of five people have pre-existing medical conditions.

Rochard 02-10-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19977689)
Because you don't own and run a large business, you don't understand that ANY increase in costs are a big deal.

Healthcare costs go up every year, for both individuals and businesses.

BFT3K 02-10-2014 05:24 PM

Single payer - implemented properly - would be best for all concerned.

Businesses AND employees.

Healthcare, energy, and our tax code, are just a few of the important issues of our lives, that have been complicated by design.

Vendzilla 02-10-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19977763)
Single payer - implemented properly - would be best for all concerned.

Businesses AND employees.

Healthcare, energy, and our tax code, are just a few of the important issues of our lives, that have been complicated by design.

We didn't get that, we got a system that's fucked up. Why do you think the approval ratings are soo low?

Vendzilla 02-10-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19977753)
Healthcare costs go up every year, for both individuals and businesses.

And my self employed buddy just had his go up over $400 a month with a higher deductible for him and his daughter.

Obama gave speeches on how it was going to go down for everyone

BFT3K 02-10-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19977765)
We didn't get that, we got a system that's fucked up. Why do you think the approval ratings are soo low?

Which Republican is going to run on a Single Payer platform in 2016?

MK Ultra 02-10-2014 06:16 PM

In other news the Administration today announced that the employer mandate will be delayed for at least another year.

That is... until after the 2014 Mid-Term elections

Well Obama said he would run "the most transparent administration in history" and he's living up to that promise, the delay has to be the most transparent politically-motivated change to the ACA so far :1orglaugh

Yup, going to be an interesting Mid-Term :winkwink:

tony286 02-10-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 19977019)
The fact that people buy into this political spin of "job-lock" is really a testament to how stupid and ridiculous some in this country are.

It's widely acknowledged the economy is lagging due to the labor market. The Fed (who basically run the economy) are not happy inflation is too low, and are concerned with deflation (think of the amazing economic Carter years in the 70s!). The believe inflation is so low because the labor market is so crappy and most people are out of work (and therefore cant spend), that the economy isn't picking up, and prices aren't going up over time. This is a really really bad thing, because if prices fall over time, then people dont buy things thinking shit is cheaper into the future, and it's a downward spiral.

3 years ago, the Fed said, when unemployment hit 6.5%, they'd start to raise interest rates (because they'd assume with jobs inflation would pick up), except one thing happened.... the unemployment rate started to drop not because we started adding so many jobs, but because people started to leave the work force for a variety of reasons (aging baby boomers, frustrated they couldn't find work, etc). So the fed said, the new trigger for raising interest rates will be an inflation target, not an unemployment rate target. Look at today, the unemployment rate is 6.6%, can you imagine what would happen if the Fed started to raise interest rates? My statement infers that there would be no more taper, (so an immediate termination of 65b a month in asset purchases), plus they would literally begin to go into rounds 1 and 2 of QE and begin to raise interest rates. It would be turmoil, and we'd likely go right back into recession.

Now people have another reason to leave the work force, because they are afraid they would fail to quality for Obamacare subsidies, adding another headache to the mix. There's an incentive not to work, to not participate in the labor force. The Fed wants inflation. The Fed knows people need to work and make $ to spend, which drives inflation. A CBO report on Obamacare suggests that the equivalent of 2.5m jobs will be lost in the form of people electing not to work, because Obamamcare incentivizes them not to work, in order to qualify for Obamacare subsidies.

So in this context, can someone explain to me how a CBO report stating that Obamacare will disincentivize people to work because as they make more $, they will fail to qualify for Obamacare subsidies is a good thing for the economy?

Any Obamapologist, explain this to me... The reality is the report was incredibly damaging to Obamacare and if you need any affirmation, you can look at their "political spin." When in the last 4 years did any Democrat boast that Obamacare will free you from "job-lock"? - Never. It's pure and total political spin, and you shouldn't buy into it.

You really think someone is going to quit their job to starve so they can get free Obamacare? I have known people that only reason they stood at their job was because they had an illness or their kid had an illness and if they quit they would lose their coverage. And it wasnt quit to stay home, one was to get a job with a better career ladder and the other wanted to start a flower business. ACA makes it so they can leave that job and still get coverage.
My mom volunteered to help people with nothing and she is a card carrying member of the RNC. She was shocked first how hard gov benefits were for those people to get and how shitty they were. So no one is quitting their job to live on welfare.

Minte 02-10-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 19977830)
In other news the Administration today announced that the employer mandate will be delayed for at least another year.

That is... until after the 2014 Mid-Term elections

Well Obama said he would run "the most transparent administration in history" and he's living up to that promise, the delay has to be the most transparent politically-motivated change to the ACA so far :1orglaugh

Yup, going to be an interesting Mid-Term :winkwink:

And the simple minded liberals are reeling... :1orglaugh
I will understand if none of them come back to this thread. I'd be embarrassed too if I had supported this clown.

tony286 02-10-2014 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19977769)
And my self employed buddy just had his go up over $400 a month with a higher deductible for him and his daughter.

Obama gave speeches on how it was going to go down for everyone

First off you cant go by it went up. Chances are he had a policy that covered nothing and now he has real coverage.
Secondly I have paid for my own health insurance since 2000, it has gone up every year and I have had to raise deductibles so I didnt have a gorilla monthly bill. They would tell we are dropping that plan you have go pick another or leave.

Its funny no one bitched about the fucking we all were getting from Insurance companies until Barry came in.

tony286 02-10-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19977852)
And the simple minded liberals are reeling... :1orglaugh
I will understand if none of them come back to this thread. I'd be embarrassed too if I had supported this clown.

Obama isnt a liberal and I know thats what you are fed and really want to believe but he isnt even close.

TheSquealer 02-10-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19977854)

Its funny no one bitched about the fucking we all were getting from Insurance companies until Barry came in.

Nearly EVERY FUCKING HUMAN BEING in the USA was bitching about rising insurance costs and health care costs before Obama.

tony286 02-10-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19977857)
Nearly EVERY FUCKING HUMAN BEING in the USA was bitching about rising insurance costs and health care costs before Obama.

Really never saw much talk about it on this board.

crockett 02-10-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19977773)
Which Republican is going to run on a Single Payer platform in 2016?

LoL none of them.. Republicans never run on "solutions" they don't "fix" things.. They complain, bitch and moan about the other guy and hope it's enough to get them elected..

Minte 02-10-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19977887)
LoL none of them.. Republicans never run on "solutions" they don't "fix" things.. They complain, bitch and moan about the other guy and hope it's enough to get them elected..

They don't make bullshit promises of HOPE & CHANGE

KillerK 02-10-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19977859)
Really never saw much talk about it on this board.

I don't think most on this board actually had healthcare.

But I've talked to about 8 people who are age 18-27 that are getting royally screwed. They used to have cheap care that was around $100 a month, now it's going up to about $200 for them. A number of them said they will just pay the fine/tax now and not have healthcare at all.

This is because they earn too much to qualify for subsidies but not enough to really pay the increase.

bronco67 02-10-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19977898)
They don't make bullshit promises of HOPE & CHANGE

It's better than the promise of Anger & Pessimism.

here's why they're assholes. One of their main media mouthpieces, Sean Hannity just said -- and I caught this only while flipping channels and stopped on FoX for a minute -- "The NAACP is not for the advancement of colored people". I can only imagine what he's saying the other 59 minutes I'm not watching. This kind of mindset can be dressed up to look like something else during election time, but they won't be able to hide who they really are. Everyone knows they're a bunch of rich, white assholes. And it's oK to be rich and white, but they don't also have to be bigoted, insensitive, unsympathetic or many other negative adjectives that seem to fit them these days. Bob Dole is probably horrified by what his party has become in the last decade.

crockett 02-10-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19977898)
They don't make bullshit promises of HOPE & CHANGE

They don't?

How about Bush telling us that Iraqi oil would pay for the war? That's just off the top of my head and sounds like a pretty bullshit promise that never had a hope or chance in hell of happening..

crockett 02-10-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 19977932)
I don't think most on this board actually had healthcare.

But I've talked to about 8 people who are age 18-27 that are getting royally screwed. They used to have cheap care that was around $100 a month, now it's going up to about $200 for them. A number of them said they will just pay the fine/tax now and not have healthcare at all.

This is because they earn too much to qualify for subsidies but not enough to really pay the increase.

Sounds fishy to me.. I've never seen a health insurance policy outside of MA that was $100/month. Much less, very many 18 to 20 something's that actually have health insurance.. Accept again in MA..

KillerK 02-10-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19977959)
Sounds fishy to me.. I've never seen a health insurance policy outside of MA that was $100/month. Much less, very many 18 to 20 something's that actually have health insurance.. Accept again in MA..

According to S&S, the average deductible – the amount of money you spend out of pocket before your health insurance kicks in– for plans purchased by a 21-year old man in 2013 was $3,649, bought at an average monthly premium of $144. To purchase a plan with the same deductible now, a 21-year-old would have to pay $261, an 81% increase.

I forgot to mention though, under their new plan if they wanted it, pregnancy would be covered.

Vendzilla 02-10-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19977773)
Which Republican is going to run on a Single Payer platform in 2016?

wouldn't know what those guys are planning, don't care till they try to pass it

Vendzilla 02-10-2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 19977932)
I don't think most on this board actually had healthcare.

But I've talked to about 8 people who are age 18-27 that are getting royally screwed. They used to have cheap care that was around $100 a month, now it's going up to about $200 for them. A number of them said they will just pay the fine/tax now and not have healthcare at all.

This is because they earn too much to qualify for subsidies but not enough to really pay the increase.




I've had heath care insurance my whole life


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