That won't bring jobs back to America

That's cute but not accurate and won't bring jobs here

Everyone pays taxes. Plus we need to get the money out of politics, not create more ties between it and money

Dopey, by making everyone pay, you ARE taking the money out of politics. No more handouts for the handout crowd. All the sudden, they. Pay for their idiot vote too

But you are cherry picking stats. You do this constantly. Even worse, you didn't even read the report - Someone somewhere posted this up on some goofy site you visit and you believe it without a doubt.

This report is over hundred pages long, and you are picking out one bad point and making a post about it saying "Obamacare is bad for jobs" while the report is really saying that unemployment is dropping and will continue to drop. You are desperately clinging to one minor aspect of a report that says the direct opposite of what of what you are tying to say.

This report doesn't say Healthcare is bad for jobs, it says if we stay on the same track unemployment is going to drop. It also says our economy is growing, and that the deficit is going down. The three most important things to Americans right now all come up looking good in this report, but on page 176 you find one minor negative aspect that is irrelevant because unemployment is going to continue to drop.

Here is a good explination of it from The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-unemployment/

Here are the highlights:

"Under questioning today before the House Budget Committee from Dem Rep. Chris Van Hollen, CBO director Douglas Elmendorf confirmed that in reality, his report suggests Obamacare will reduce unemployment:

The CBO report found that Obamacare — through subsidizing health coverage – would reduce the amount of hours workers choose to work, to the equivalent of 2.5 million full-time workers over 10 years. This was widely spun by Republicans as a loss of 2.5 million jobs.

To counter this, Van Hollen cited the report’s findings on Obamacare’s impact on labor demand, rather than supply. On page 124, the report estimates that the ACA will “boost overall demand for goods and services over the next few years because the people who will benefit from the expansion of Medicaid and from access to the exchange subsidies are predominantly in lower-income households and thus are likely to spend a considerable fraction of their additional resources on goods and services.” This, the report says, “will in turn boost demand for labor over the next few years.”
“When you boost demand for labor in this kind of economy, you actually reduce the unemployment rate, because those people who are looking for work can find more work, right?” Van Hollen asked Elmendorf.

“Yes, that’s right,” Elmendorf said.

I am absolutely on board with automation. Our newest 400ton injection molder with a loading robot arrived Monday. It runs lights off. And we have ordered new fully automated press feeders for the metals department. Instead of needing 3 people per machine per shift we will only need one to move and shrinkwrap finished parts.

We won't lay anyone off. But we certainly won't be hiring as many as we would've needed before. And this equipment is all affordable to a small/medium company.
Robots that cost upwards of $150k ten years ago sell for $60k today and like everything technology..they are faster and more accurate.

So once again, Vendzilla has posted a report that says the direct opposite of what he believes in.

I'm blown away with how far that type of equipment has come in the last 15 years. About 15 years ago I worked running a CNC router and some other machines for a plastics company. They had some nice stuff, but nothing like what is out there now and like you said the prices just keep dropping. It won't be long before entire plants will be able to run with little human supervision.

You are a model citizen Minte! You write off a fountain off your taxes, and then automate your plant so you need less employees. Good job!

(I'm kidding really. Automating the process makes perfect sense, just razzing you!)

Politifact says this is mostly false..

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ll-time-jobs-/

The simple solution to the majority of our country's problems is to tax the hell out of Chinese imports so US manufacturers can compete fairly. When that finally happens we will be able to pay people more and provide better quality benefits.

Until, then the middle class will continue to shrink.

I posted the most important thing to me, Jobs. If people don't have jobs, they don't spend money, if they don't spend money, they don't pay any taxes and the economy suffers.
I didn't cherry pick, I don't know where you see that. It also by looking at the graph on page 1 of the report that economic growth over the next decade will be flat.
Are reading the same thing I'm reading?

I agree. I doubt we will ever see this though. Too many companies like Wal Mart rely on cheap Chinese goods for the their business. They have a ton of influence and would never let this happen.

You really don't see that what I posted came from their actual report, not what some place like politifact said?
Read the OP again, you are missing it because of your hatred of the GOP and anything I say against Obama, grow up!

What kind of moron says it's wrong when I posted from the CBO's website.

He believes it's wrong because he got info from another site about the CBO site
What a moron!!!!!!!

Agreed, I have said this several times, that Harley got the government to tax all heavy bikes 750cc and up till they could become competitive and they did. Then ending the special tax. Our government doesn't want to look at things that worked in history.

What are you reading?, I posted from the CBO report itself!

Is that a goofy site?

Come on Richard, read before posting!

The only positive I see on the horizon and it is happening now, but slowly is that the average wage in China continues to go up faster than wages here in the US. Someday in the future the wages should/could catch up. Take away that huge labor advantage and the Chinese don't have anything else to offer.

Just picked up my Visa's for China, going next month. It's going to be interesting to see what goods cost there. Only thing I'm looking to buy is some silk. We are going to a silk factory!

Coming soon, to a Corporatocracy near you!

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/tpp-s...-jobs-away.jpg

http://stopmotionsolo.net/wp-content...m-Low-ages.jpg

It isn't our fault that you can't understand what the CBO report says. We are just trying to say it in simple terms for you to understand.

sounds good to me

We agree on something? Damn.

No, you read the usual one sided dribble and accepted it as fact.

You didn't read every page of that report and get all the to the end and picked out the one detail that could be spun in a bad light. You grabbed this from a slanted website that shares your point of view, and this website spun this off as bad knowing that everyone on the website will agree with what they said no matter what the truth is.

The report says the economy is growing, unemployment will continue to drop, and the deficit will continue to go down..... And if you read the report even closer, it says housing values will rise, the amount of money people will make yearly will rise, and the amount of wealth each person has will also rise. The more I read this report, the better it sounds.

You read a website this morning, it complained about jobs being lost, and pointed a link to a report you didn't read.

This is what's wrong with our country today. People read a paragraph on a website, its points to a report, and people just accept it as fact - without reading any of the report, which says the direct opposite of what you thought it did.

You did this with the Branch Davidian thread too. You said "Congress did a report that says people died from the gas" but the truth is you only read a paragraph of what one Congressman said, and the report said just the opposite of what you thought it said.

Daughter: I don't need a school anyway!
Father: You don't need a skewl? If nigga no go to skewl, nigga no get a job, if nigga no get a job, nigga no make no money, if nigga no make no money, nigga no be able to afford BMW 7 silies nigga!

That's a bit silly Minte.

If China becomes more expensive, postnationalist corporations will simply move somewhere else that is cheaper. There will always be a bald spot on the planet somewhere due to famine, war, disease, overpopulation or whatever else and it's just as easy to have slaves put iPhones together in those places as it is in China. Waiting for Chinese wages to rise won't help. The only things that will help bring those jobs to the States are world wages rising (won't happen), protectionist laws with teeth (may happen), or developing our own bald spots here at home where people would be willing to work for Foxconn wages (look at modern Michigan)

gotta love vendz posting in a thread .... can wait to see his posts under a new prez :2 cents:

Well you are wrong. No other country on earth has the population that China has.
As a US manufacturer I went through this with Japan..then Taiwan. It took under 10 years for both of those countries to get the majority of their population working and westernized.

And China has become more expensive. I see large US companies moving work back. The world uses more than smart phones and Ipads.
But it's going to take a while, and the Chinese will likely de-value their currency before they lose their edge in low wages.

It's not going to change; He'll still be Republican. He'll bitch when Hillary is President.

Some people put blinders on and it's horrible. It doesn't matter which side it is; both sides do it. The Republicans are bitter right now so they are a bit louder about it.

I didn't vote in the last election or the one before that. Give me a choice between Obama and Romney, I choose not to vote. Give me a vote between Obama and McCain, and again, I choose not to vote. I didn't vote for Bush, but I supported him through 9/11 and Iraq... But then he took a dump and all hell broke loose.

I can't wait to see who the Republicans bring to the table next round. You know they are planning. This is no longer about doing what's right, it's about planning how to win the next election. This is why Hillary punched all the right tickets to make sure she's qualified.

They will build factories on barges off the coast of every backwater island with exploitable inhabitants if it's cheaper to do so than to do the work elsewhere. Most of these forms of labor will be automated within decades, so they only need to figure out where to find slaves for two dozen more years before they can just plug some in anywhere they want and pay for electricity rather than labor. Pushing slave wage jobs back to poverty wage levels is like putting a band aid on wounds caused by a land mine and then striding forward with confidence through the rest of a suspicious open field.

There are more people than jobs. The number of jobs is decreasing rapidly. The number of people is increasingly rapidly. The aptitude required for the kind of jobs that require people is becoming much higher. The number of young angry people with enough aptitude to cause harm but too little aptitude or the wrong kind of aptitude to build a better life for themselves is growing fastest of all. This is a global problem on a fundamental level, based in technology and population... not political ideologies or geographical locations.

The fact that our political system is broken makes diagnosing or curing it impossible.... And the people benefiting most from the problem are the ones funding that continued dysfunction.

Fuck dude, I quoted the CBO and you say I didn't understand it, how fucking high are you?

I bet you talk like this all the time you moronic fucking idiot

Republican or democrat, if I got a beef, you'll hear about it

One, I'm a registered independent
Two, please name one thing that Hilary can put on her resume as a good thing, don't look it up, but just name one accomplishment she has done?
Not the job titles either, just something positive she accomplished on her own!

If she becomes president, she'll hopefully have to deal with a republican house and senate so she doesn't fuck up things more than they already are!

I have to say something about this again, what the fuck are you bringing up my daughter for? Is it empowering you? Are you such a douche bag that you have to sink to that level to get noticed. Fucking grow up you piece of shit!

Sure sure.

You are a Republican through and through.

I didn't say Hilary did anything good. I said the punched the right tickets. She was a Senator and then Secratary of State. These two titles, plus her forty years of being a political operative for the Democratic party, is more than plenty to qualify her to run for President. These offices were selected to put her into position for a run to the White House.

Saying she "hasn't accomplished anything on her own" sounds like something a cry baby would say. But for heaven's sake, she was Secratary of Defense.

And again, this is more of the problem. "We can't get into the White House so instead we'll just cock up Congress and make sure nothing gets down and we'll just complain all the time". Seems to be working great for Congress right now.

I swear, we need term limits for Congress.

Ok, so you all realize this has been debunked as another conservative misreading/miscomprehension of something? If it's been announced by FOX and tossed around like piece of meat all day, it's a safe bet it'll be found to be a false claim, mostly attributed to a denial of facts, even when they're properly explained. They do it all the time, and some big boys followed them into the foot shooting party.

She was the first ever senator from New York to be selected to serve on the armed services committee where she did a lot of good things to help our veterans. She led efforts to expand healthcare for those in the reserves and National Guard and she did a lot to get money for veteran's hospitals. She also did a lot of work to force the government to look into Gulf War Syndrome.

I know these aren't necessarily things that qualify you to be president, but it is what pops into my head when I think about her.

Just cause you can't quote something doesn't mean you know what it means vendzilla. Sorry

As always, you read these threads and it becomes apparent why some are successful and most aren't. still cheering this administration at this point simply means you actually DO belong exactly where you are in the pecking order.

Sorry you regret working on roofs doing actual work all those years and have to keep reminding everyone how awesome you are in your own mind.