thats all very quaint. However, we have over 17 trillion in debt with no plan to ever spend within our means. Despite what the unintelligent think, that has to stop and be rolled back. THAT is what the Tea Party wants.
Meeting in the middle with obama doesn't accomplish that goal.

and here you have the intelligence of the typical obama voter.

and here you have the compassion towards others of a typical psychopath

Keep it in perspective. Democrats have the executive branch and the senate...and probably the supreme court. Of the 435 people in the house 38 are tea party.
Less than 10%.. So do the math. The tea party can not hold up anything ever on anything being voted on if the rest of the government see's fit to do something.

You must be very young. Compassion towards others is very overrated. Most of those people that require compassion will stick a shiv in your kidney and walk off with your wallet and watch.

Yes, I totally see Rochard's wife who no longer has to work only for health insurance stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

I would guess she would be sitting at home buying porn well before stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

I should have guessed when the CBO report on this hiring effect Obamacare will have over the next decade (which is a positive change for the country) Minte, Vendilla, 12Clicks...and all the usual Republican slime came in for this thread - Vendzilla saying he's a registered independent hahaha what a JOKE! And MR INDY Robbie - fucking false equivalence that the left press is just as bad as the right press - you guys are both too embarrassed to call yourselves what you are: Right wing fear mongers.

Oh excuse me Robbie - you're a Libertarian so you're even further right and your vision for the nation is ever worse and more ludicrous - at least Minte stakes his claim and admits he watches Fox and buys into the brainwash machine.

Vendzilla stop trying to sound neutral and objective - ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY negative about Obama thats reported in the media you come proudly screaming into GFY with a new smear thread - then you call smart people morons - you're a disgusting puke with zero intelligence - if you had half a brain you would look into this CBO report and realize that the net effect on jobs that Obamacare will have is a GOOD thing - unless you think that a pregnant mom trying to feed a family should have to work 60 hours a week to pay for health care... demand for labor will go up not down and no matter how Fox news trys to spin this thats a good thing - healthcare is a human right and in the future we will not have to ruin our health and eat cheap fast food and work 3 jobs to afford it.

Give it up you rightwing smear merchants - you LOST this one. Obamacare isnt going anywhere (and it's likely going to be VERY popular in a few years) no matter how much your shake your fat fists covered in cheap rings at the clouds...hahaha dumbfucks :321GFY

You didn't complain the 8 years Bush was in office.. Obama didn't create 17 trillion dollars of debt. Bill Clinton had us on the road to recovery where it would of been paid, but Bush came in pissed it all away with two wars, tax cuts and $500 checks.. Yet let's Blame Obama whom inherited the problem..of both a out of control spending environment and a collapsed economy.

Why is it when Republicans had control of the Oval Office for 8 years, the House for 4 years and and the Senate for 6 years they couldn't manage to balance the budget, reform immigration or any of the other things they live to bitch and moan about? All they did was spend, spend, spend and then blame the next guy in line for all the shit they fucked up.

Why does his wife need compassion?

So that was quite a snowboard trip...a month?

I am keeping it in perspective. Obama only had the house for 2 years. He has had the Senate for 6 years. Meanwhile he's had 4 years of a Republican controlled House that's only goal is to make sure he can't get anything done.

Now compare that to Bush Jr.. He had 8 years in the White House, 6 years with control of the House and 4 years with control of the Senate. Yet he didn't cut spending and he doubled the national debt.

So tell me how is Obama supposed to work with the Tea Party whom even the Republicans can't control and are on the verge of tearing their own party apart? Bush couldn't even do it with full control of everything and you guys expect Obama to do it when he's up against Tea Party members that won't even work with their own party.

Look I don't think Obama is the Messiah, and I don't think all Republicans are all evil, but the Tea Party is fucking up this country, republicans can't even work with them anymore.. So how could Obama possibly have a chance?

Because even though BOTH parties generally suck, the Republican party has NOTHING to offer whatsoever.

They are the party that needs to REDUCE voter participation, because they know that if the MAJORITY of people get to vote, they lose. They are the LOSER party.

They are the STUPID party. They are the party of greed and war. They are the party with NO PLAN and NO VISION whatsofuckingever.

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son, you don't get it. you will though. You believe this fairytale. you'll believe it right up until we go over the cliff.

the spending is unsustainable. nothing else is really relevant. not compassion, not the wish for utopia, and certainly not your idiot one liners

No, you are simply wrong. The tea party doesn't have the votes to stop anything.
And look back 8 years ago.. I was as vocal about Bush remaining in afghanistan as I am about Obama STILL being there.

The big difference was that when we were involved in those two conflicts the country was not yet in a recession. And after 5 years of Obama,,the recovery if you can call it that has been far to weak to go into the hole for another 6trillion dollars. And that doesn't even factor in the costs of Obamacare.

more of the bottom chiming in.
the CBO says we'll lose 2 million full time jobs and obama's people explain how not having a full time job is good and you monkeys cheer.
Every time I stop by here and chat with the bottom I walk away shaking my head.
I simply don't know how Minte keeps it up.

Well, compassion is probably too strong of a word in retrospect. But again this was referring to 12clicks and his care for others. Empathy? Anyway you should understand what I was getting at...

Or not.

I've said many times that Bush's biggest failure was not cutting spending.

and as you're too young to have paid attention to what happened under Clinton, I'll explain to you that it was Newt Gingrich, grabbing clinton by the scruff of his neck and forcing him to balance the budget that had us "on the road to recovery"

Spending is not a Yes / No proposition. Thinking that is most of the problem facing the tea party. They treat it as a yes or no, rather than focusing on spending better and being more efficient. Government programs are not going away. Taxes are not going away. Acting like that is the goal only makes it harder to achieve actual progress.

Something as simple as a National Sales Tax would likely be an idea that could be 'sold' to the American public across the board. 2-3% sales tax on all items excluding necessities (the same sorts of things States now exclude like heating oil and Milk). It would cause every consumer to pay a tax, all 100%, it would cause wealthy people to pay significant taxes on big ticket items... and it would lower the tax on people saving money.

Instead of pushing a sensible issue like that forward, the tea party is busy with nonsense like threatening not to raise the debt ceiling so we can default on obligations already on our balance sheet. Get past 'all spending is bad' and 'all tax is bad' - the message wont work. It has been tried and failed. Start actually proposing meaningful big moves to make the system more efficient and effective. People will but into that.

The Tea Party is backed (though has lost some support) by billionaires with a huge political apparatus and if you go against them they will spend millions to primary your ass.

So no, the tea party republicans don't have the votes to block things (except when boehner says he wont vote for something that requires democratic support to pass), but all this citizens united fucking money sure does.

The winter is the slow travel time for my business. Next week I have some trips to take and then we get into the tradeshow season. I am here in the office a lot lately so I have time on my hands between meeting and phonecalls. But you're right. There are times these guys are exhausting.

You said all that matters..the billionaires are on both sides.

son, I give more to charity than you make in a year. voting for your government to spend us into oblivion is not compassion, its stupidity.
Pretending 2 million less full time jobs is a good thing is not compassion, its stupidity.

Newt Gingrich the guy who liked the individual mandate and was presiding over congress when they proposed the healthcare alternative that was the basis for obamacare.

I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem, you are. Sorry

The Republican Party has always been the obstructionist party. It's what they do and yes it is needed to a certain degree. The problem is they haven't moved forward with the country and are stuck trying to relive the 50's where everything white was alright and we had big bad evil commies to worry about.

Now they just obstruct for the sake of obstruction and they wouldn't have a clue what fiscal conservatism is, if it slapped them on the face. They have lost touch with reality due to selling their party out like a cheap whore to get votes.

The Tea Party may get some money from millionaires (better check the list of billionaires and their political affiliation before you look dopey again) but they are a grass roots organization of people who want lower taxes, less government, and less spending.
you know, exactly the opposite of what the societal leeches want.

There was money available then. They should have done something.

We were not $17t in debt..and the population was smaller and the lifespan of people shorter.

oh, I'm sorry. now you want to pretend. I missed that.

so your now arguing about what someone LIKED 20 years ago because you can't argue about what they DID?

ok.

If you are unable to debate or discuss a topic without calling people childish names, perhaps you shouldn't debate.

As I stated before, if you all believe we need to change the way we determine unemployment, then by all means let's do it. It's still not going to change a thing. The numbers will still be higher across the entire board. Maybe unemployment realistically hit 20% at the height of the recession, and maybe it's really 11% now - But the numbers are going to confirm the same exact thing... Unemployment is going down.

So you can huff and puff (and call me names) all you want, the end result is going to be the same. It will make the over all unemployment numbers during the recession look worse, but it will make the recovery look better. Yawn.

Good post really.

Bill Clinton did have us on the road to the recovery, and now it's funny that Republicans complain about the deficit and love to blame Obama.... Clinton fixed the problem, Bush reversed it (AND got us into two expensive wars), then Bush handed down the worst economy in our lifetimes... but the deficit is somehow Obama's fault.

What's even better is that the Republicans say "Stop blaming Bush" while blaming Obama for problems and issues he didn't cause.

Bringing Bill Clinton is interesting really... He helped to fix our deficit. Maybe I should rethink my thoughts about Hillary. Having Hillary in office might be a good thing.

The Tea Party is the Koch Brothers brain child for Big Tobacco anti tax movement. The tea party came from a anti tax movement back in the 80s and was revived in both name and function by the Koch bros as a way to try and stop Obama after he was elected. It was rolled up as one with the Religious Right.

There is nothing grass roots about it. That's like saying the tooth fairy is real..

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Ok, if you don't want to give Clinton any credit for balancing the budget and it was all thanks to Gingrich, then why is John Boehner in capable of balancing the budget? If it wasn't Clinton on the good then that means it's not Obama on the bad. See it works both ways. Republicans had control of the House at both times, so why is credit given when it's good news but it's Obamas fault when it's bad?

In fact since Bill Clinton Republicans have had control of the House for 16 years and Dems have only had control for 4. Considering it's the Houses job to make the budget, that kinda puts the blame on Republicans wouldn't you say?

Well, the bottom will believe whatever the liberals tell them to believe.

But just to be clear, smaller government, lower taxes, and less spending is bad because 1 of the over 400 billionaires in America supposedly supports it.

That for sure is the best display of idiot logic I've seen in a while.

Whatever. I don't make these threads. I just reply in them.

You need to understand...the most "powerful man in the world" is Pres. Obama. He is the one setting the agenda and the tone for this country.

The press should be going after HIM. And the leaders in the House and Senate.

But they don't.

My senator Harry Reid pretty much gets a free pass on everything. And he is HUGELY responsible for what's going wrong right now in this country.
And like all lifetime/career politicians, he spends most of his time collecting pork barrel b.s. that doesn't help this country at all and makes his friends here in Las Vegas even richer.

Why the hell aren't the press going after him?

crockett, Pres. Obama and Harry Reid pretty much run the country right now. All the Republican career/lifetime crooks can do at the moment is try to block things as much as possible.

I don't have a problem with THAT. That is what the legislative branch is supposed to do. It's their job to make it difficult to pass new laws. That's the way our Republic was set up.

Congress isn't supposed to rubber stamp what the Pres. wants.

But IF John Boehner ever does actually get to pass ANY legislation past Harry Reid (who ALWAYS shelves it and doesn't allow a vote)...then yeah, I'll question the hell out of it (which is what the press SHOULD be doing).

That you are still playing "sides" like these are sports teams after all our conversations on here is amazing to me.

Simply put: We ALL need to question authority. Pres. Obama is in charge right now. The Republicans have not had any power to pass anything at all. This is all Democrat laws and things the Democrat Administration has done over the last 5 years.

Maybe in 11 years from now after Hillary serves 2 terms as well...a Republican might win the White House.
Then, yes...I will question THEM.

Dude, they are all crooks. They might start off idealistic and sincere. But by the time they get to the national level, they are jaded and looking to fill their pockets.

The sooner you realize that, the better you will be.

By the way... It was announced that unemployment went down to 6.6% this morning.

I think we like to think this, but it's no longer true.

Very slowly over the years we have taken away power from the office of the President, and turned it over to Congress. This sounds like a good idea - don't want too much power in the hands of one person - but in reality Congress is made up of two parties who constantly fight each other, and more often than not are unable to get anything done.

We to blame or praise the President for a good or bad economy, but at the end of the day Congress has a lot more influence in this area than the President does.

If that's the case, how can you blame Bush for the economy failing when the senate and the house at the time of the failure were controlled by democrats?

I know they are all crooks. No one spends 60 million of their own money to get a into a public office job that pays $130k. That's Rick Scott mind you the FL governor. This of course plays out all over the country both Democrats and Republicans. I only notated Rick Scott because he spent so much of his own money and he has proven to be as big of a scumbag as anyone. Now obviously no one in their right mind would spend that kind of money to get a job that pays peanuts and that's just at the state level, not even on the national stage.

Anyone that gets elected into office is going to be someone's bitch due to the money involved. Politicians used to at least have the decency to try and hide this shit and just did some back end deals out of public view. Now days they just flaunt it right in everyone's face and fucking lobbyist write the damn bills.

I side with Democrats more, because they still at least have to do shit for the average joe in between their corporate sponsors. The Republicans have so much big money behind them, they don't even try to pretend anymore.

As for Obama, I've never agreed with everything he!s done, I just get tired of seeing the constant bashing from the same people so I like to dish it back at them, to show that their team has done it just as bad or worse.

Maybe they did at one time. So did the Republicans at one time. Both parties have had their "populist" phase.

But if you look at NOW and what either party is doing NOW...I don't see any results for the "average joe" that are worth the TRILLIONS they spend each year.

Do you?