Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

all this over x-mas bonuses?

well at least you got your payouts right?

as long as you got your pay check that you worked for you can't cry over a bonus.

That is money that is alotted to corporate wives and mistresses.

peasants do not get bonuses.

Be glad they did not suspend your last christmas paycheck

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

all this over x-mas bonuses?

well at least you got your payouts right?

as long as you got your pay check that you worked for you can't cry over a bonus.

That is money that is alotted to corporate wives and mistresses.

peasants do not get bonuses.

Be glad they did not suspend your last christmas paycheck

Originally Posted by baddog

For once, I agree with you 100%.

I guess it is true, even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while.

Originally Posted by beaner

I think you want to bang her a little?

Originally Posted by adultmobile

(Edit: while I reply, Mike compares this to Watergate!?).

Originally Posted by mikesouth

While Im at it I may as well expand on it so the Manwin apologists have something to feel self righteous about.

If read correctly and combined with other stuff that has come out about Manwin/MindGeek the letter from the employees yesterday paints a pretty grim picture of MindGeek as a company. They had lots of layoffs (M100) back a couple months ago, more are coming, bonuses were withheld (except for course for management) Hours have been extended and of course we know more layoffs are coming. But it isn?t just Manwin Corporate, look at the porn properties they have purchased.

Playboy radio went from being a Sirius/XM Radio station to an internet radio station with a skeleton staff and no listeners.

Digital Playground once rivaled Vivid and Wicked for high end productions now they rival Brazzers at best. The company was gutted and high end features like ?Pirates? and ?Pirates 2″ are a thing of the past there. They continually shoot in L.A. County without condoms and are asking for trouble from that. most of the contract girls are gone and the ones that remain aren?t shooting to speak of. I?m told Jesse Jane hasnt shot since June or so. (that could be wrong but the point is she isnt shooting monthly like she was)

The quality (and the memberships) at Twistys has taken a dive and other Manwin Properties are just sitting around undeveloped.

The one area that still makes them money is Tubesites and they are now moving those to Hong Kong, at one time Hong Kong was a haven for pirate sites but that isn?t so much true anymore. The one thing Manwin does do is the old shell game, they are constantly moving companies around in and out of other countries presumably to avoid prosecution, but it?s just a matter of time until this catches up with them i expect.

The redtube merger provided some much needed cash, but what happens when they burn through that too?

Originally Posted by mineistaken

EVERY paysite/content related business suffered (directly or indirectly by rolling snowball or falling dominos effect) from manthief's actions, no exceptions. Industry as a whole was damaged a lot.

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Uh, nope, no they didn't, but you are free to continue blaming your own business failures on them.

And for the record I am not a Manwin apologist, I am a Manwin "notgiveafuckist" since I know how to make money in the post Manwinacopolyst

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Manwin implosion ... the piracy/tubesite run is going to shakeout from here hopefully the whole Manwin bubble will burst and take all of the Manwin associated parasites with it...

Originally Posted by OldJeff

You seemed confused, those whose business and income were destroyed, are the ones constantly bitching and whining about what everyone else is doing.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You work for thieves and assholes. I hope your work life is as miserable as possible with reductions in benefits, lower pay, no job security. Merry Christmas!

Originally Posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

Clearly what the problem is, Mindfuck are just not releasing enough FREE PORN fast enough so that these poor employees can create relevant spam accounts !

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Uh, nope, no they didn't, but you are free to continue blaming your own business failures on them.

And for the record I am not a Manwin apologist, I am a Manwin "notgiveafuckist" since I know how to make money in the post Manwinacopolyst

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I think when it all shakes out what we will see in hindsight is a Manwin implosion that isnt unlike so many others that have happened in adult internet. They came into a lot of money so they started swinging their dicks around and ended up getting into too many things they didn't know enough about.

If you take piracy and tubesites out of the equation would anyone actually look at them and say that they have been successful?

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Anyone who works for Manwin will not receive sympathy from us.

You lay in bed with dogs, all you will get is the dead rotten fleas.

Originally Posted by Shap

you know that's not fair imo. If someone gets a job at manwin to pay the bills and feed their family you can't fault them for that. you can hate manwin but i think it's unfair to place that on people working there. Most people that get a job there probably don't even know much about the company and probably don't know any of the negative sentiment.

Originally Posted by Far-L

Forget common sense. There is no rationality behind it when you get right down to it and presenting reasonable counterpoint will not quench the thirst for blood to flow and heads to roll. The mob mind has made a decision and will not rest until enough heads have fallen to the guillotine.

Originally Posted by Far-L

Forget common sense. There is no rationality behind it when you get right down to it and presenting reasonable counterpoint will not quench the thirst for blood to flow and heads to roll. The mob mind has made a decision and will not rest until enough heads have fallen to the guillotine.

Originally Posted by Shap

you know that's not fair imo. If someone gets a job at manwin to pay the bills and feed their family you can't fault them for that. you can hate manwin but i think it's unfair to place that on people working there. Most people that get a job there probably don't even know much about the company and probably don't know any of the negative sentiment.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

which explains why so many people have stopped posting here

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Some have been banned for slamming on Manwin, so you are correct.

Originally Posted by iwiiiiiiiiii

I'm surprised about the employee's reaction since they are known to have overkilling benefits, and they have bonus on top of it.. They are spoiled...

Lately, I offered a really good salary to a good intermediate developer, I really liked the guy's attitude and I had a good chemistry with him. When he told me what they offered him, I couldn't believe that they laid-off so many people and now hiring with such benefits, hard to follow... And on the other hand, there is not a week that I'm not getting resumes from people that had worked, or are working there. And since the benefits are such high there, I didn't hire any, and most of them only can go to large companies if they want to keep the same kind of benefits.

In business the bottom line is, the company is owned by the owners, you get paid to do a job, the day you're no longer happy, you have to leave. And if you stay and silently complain, you're doing worse then your boss.

Originally Posted by mikesouth

from

http://www.mikesouth.com

Have at it

Dear Mike South,

As an employee of the massive porn company Manwin aka ?Mindgeek?, I read your blog almost every day. Most of my colleagues do as well. As you know, conditions for employees here have taken a huge hit and, as you predicted, our Christmas bonuses have been withheld. All the negative impacts have created a huge sense of disparity and injustice within the employee community. Morale is at an all-time low, and management keeps sending us letters full of empty thanks for our dedication and efforts, and reminding us not to speak with media. In retaliation to all the shit we are being fed, I would like to forward to you an open letter to be addressed to the new owners of our company. I think it would be at least a small consolation for the many employees here who read your blog to see someone standing up to this harsh treatment in some small way.
I will obviously remain anonymous to avoid being the next victim of ?layoffs?

Dear Mr. Antoon and Mr. Tassillo,

I send the following letter in anonymity to avoid being unfairly penalized for speaking the truth on a sensitive matter. I have been a hard working employee at Mindgeek for some time, and have felt my efforts have been fairly acknowledged in the past. However I have quickly become disenchanted with this company immediately following it?s change of ownership. This recent disappointment has come into sharp focus after the last email I received from management this year. The email echoed similar attitudes taken up in previous messages sent after M100, exorbitantly thanking us all for our dedication and ensuring us that we are of value. However there has been an excess in flattering words, and a great lack of actual recognition of our work as of late. It?s all fine and dandy to prattle on and on about how our contribution has allowed the company to be so successful, how ?each individual is important to the company? and thank us for our hard work. But the austerity measures and cuts we have had to endure without so much as an apology or even an explanation are leaving a very bad taste in our mouths. I speak for my colleagues when I say we work very hard for this company because we are treated well, and are rewarded for our extra efforts. But it seems that is not the future plan for Mindgeek employees. Watching a huge amount of colleagues laid off, and having our breaks cut by 1/3 each day, which we need to refresh our minds and keep us sharp; was bad enough. But withholding our Christmas bonus without a warning, leaving us in the dark so that we are expecting it and budget our Christmas accordingly, and then are surprised at the end of the month with no bonus and a huge hole in our finances; without so much as an apology or even a humble explanation ? this is beyond what I had imagined this management capable of. It is deplorable and completely lacks any dignity or respect for us. You insult our intelligence by throwing fancy Christmas parties with shiny draw prizes in hopes it will make us forget about our declining conditions, and add insult to injury as you continue to send us emails full of empty thanks and hollow good wishes. All this is particularly abhorrent in the light of the Christmas season approaching, one of generosity and goodwill ? as it seems; only for the upper management.

I am not the only one who faces my future employment here with apprehension. After watching how many negative changes were implemented within only the last few months, I dread how quickly all our other benefits will soon dissolve; and the employees of Mindgeek will be just another mass of under-appreciated nine-to-fivers working for another huge corporation just like the rest of the thankless, high-turnover companies in Montreal. It will be sad to see the day when your loyal employees grow tired of empty praise and move on to a company that gives them actual recognition for their efforts and talents.

I hope you all think of the dedicated workers whose holidays you have spoiled as you enjoy your Christmas vacations.

Sincerely,
Your Loyal Employees.

Originally Posted by baddog

You have examples of this I presume.

Originally Posted by Far-L

Forget common sense. There is no rationality behind it when you get right down to it and presenting reasonable counterpoint will not quench the thirst for blood to flow and heads to roll. The mob mind has made a decision and will not rest until enough heads have fallen to the guillotine.

Originally Posted by clickhappy

>>rollseyes<<
The employee makes a living by taking food out of our mouths and sending many of us into a tailspin and we're supposed to like it?

Originally Posted by Far-L

Oh please. Enough is enough. Man-whatever-the-fuck makes money for tons of affiliates, why haven't you figured out how to make it work for you like they have?

It is a big frigging traffic pump but you haven't figured how to get the sign ups flowing so you squeak away about how bad it is rather than figuring out how to take advantage of it for what it is worth.

There are plenty of programs doing just fine. If you need an excuse for your tailspin, then you have no farther to look than the monitor in front of you.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Basically you can look at it like this.

1. They took everyone else's traffic.
2. It now filters through their site
3. But you can reclaim some of it back from them
4. ....where it now converts ten times worse than it did before.

Gee. lucky us.

Originally Posted by Far-L

Oh please. Enough is enough. Man-whatever-the-fuck makes money for tons of affiliates, why haven't you figured out how to make it work for you like they have?

It is a big frigging traffic pump but you haven't figured how to get the sign ups flowing so you squeak away about how bad it is rather than figuring out how to take advantage of it for what it is worth.

Originally Posted by Far-L

There are plenty of programs doing just fine. If you need an excuse for your tailspin, then you have no farther to look than the monitor in front of you.

Originally Posted by clickhappy

What tons of affiliates? You dont notice that there are a LOT less webmasters now than there were 10 years ago?
Lots and lots and lots of people saw the writing on the wall and left.



Uh, where? I remember a program owner coming in here looking for webmasters who can send 100 signups a day like they got in the older days.
No one stepped forward, no one can do that anymore.
Why did ARS close? They were on top of the world, Marc De was posting his beautiful exotic cars, one after another after another. Hell ARS was offering health insurance. Where thats now?
Wheres AllPetite? CuteGirlfriend? Fantastic Facials? Pink Chocolate? Wheres TopBucks with their huge list of sites?

Very very successful people who left. If that's not a tailspin I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by clickhappy

What tons of affiliates? You dont notice that there are a LOT less webmasters now than there were 10 years ago?
Lots and lots and lots of people saw the writing on the wall and left.



Uh, where? I remember a program owner coming in here looking for webmasters who can send 100 signups a day like they got in the older days.
No one stepped forward, no one can do that anymore.
Why did ARS close? They were on top of the world, Marc De was posting his beautiful exotic cars, one after another after another. Hell ARS was offering health insurance. Where thats now?
Wheres AllPetite? CuteGirlfriend? Fantastic Facials? Pink Chocolate? Wheres TopBucks with their huge list of sites?

Very very successful people who left. If that's not a tailspin I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

I'm sure Marc De is doing just fine, he shifted his focus into the video game sector from what I recall. He had a good run, no one can fault him for shifting from one industry to another.