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The reason I homeschool has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I don't teach any religiously based classes to them.

We took the day off to go get Princess Marley Valhalla Hawkwind, who reached the take-home age of 8 weeks this past Wednesday:

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BUT the great thing about homeschool is that it can be finished very quickly. We can do a good job covering all the day's lessons in just 2.5 hours. We don't have to wait 25 minutes in each class for kids to sit down and shut up and finally listen to the teacher. We just get in there and get things done.

One-on-one attention makes all the difference in the world. Yes, it's a requirement for one parent (or an adult of some sort) to be home. That person wouldn't necessarily have to know how to teach, however, depending on the program. K-12, for example, is done entirely online. Teachers are available to help. And there are SO many online resources now, like Khan Academy for instance, that make it easy to understand just about any subject. A child can just about teach his/herself.

As for abuse? I have no idea. I've not yet run into such a scenario.


In your town, there's undoubtedly a charter homeschool. Walk into it sometime. Tell them you have a son/daughter/relative you are interested in enrolling, and would like a tour. There will likely be several students milling about (they don't all stay home, but show up and socialize with each other, or work on homework, etc.

Then find a reason to go to a public school.

Now, compare the two. Tell me which group has hard faces that know far too much for their age, and which laugh and smile more, with softer faces that are more secure. Then tell me which group you'd prefer for a child you care about.

The parent probably says fuck it and just does their own thing 4 out of the 5 days. If you're arrogant enough to think you're smarter than trained educators, then go ahead and "prepare" your kid for the job market. And I'm sure your daily company is going to be a perfect substitute for the social learning experience of school. That's probably the most important part.

Today's trained educators work with handcuffs on. They're overwhelmed with regulation: things they can't teach, things they can't say, etc. etc. They're way underpaid and incredibly restricted.

By the way, a teaching credential added to just about any bachelor's degree qualifies one to be a "teacher." Such a credential isn't impressive. I'd bet you know quite a few people in your life who are perfectly qualified to teach others. It's not rocket science.

you are a joke dude - we all know that your cult programming of kids goes on 24/7 - oh except during class time :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

oh and you really aren't going to respond to this thread that is an all out Existential Threat to your "Religion" (*cult)?
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1125678

Creationism IS the ESSENCE of Christianity - and it's the nail in it's coffin too.

I don't have children, but I find homeschooling pretty strange. The education system isn't all that it could be, but I can't believe that most parents are in any way equipped to provide a wide ranging education on a variety of subjects for their children. There's also no way I am going to believe that parents are spending the same amount of time teaching their children lessons as well as socializing their children with other kids as they would in a public school. It also seems odd to me for children to spend that much time around their parents, from early morning to afternoon to evening and up to bed time.

It's quite clear that many people on both sides of the argument here have no idea how modern homeschooling actually works.

Yep.

It is not what it once was. With the internet now kids can go to school online. They have deadlines to have assignments turned in. They can take tests online. There are online tutors to help them ect.

The thing that hasn't changed is that ability and desire of the parents. If a parent wants to do their kids work for them they can and if they want to choose a curriculum that could hurt the kids educational future (IE spend all day learning the bible instead of learning math and history etc.) they can. If a parent is dedicated the kid can actually get a good education and what helps is that they can work at their pace and not have wait for the rest of the class if they learn it quickly or worry about falling behind if they are a little slower.

I read through this thread and then it hit me...

Now I remember why I needed a 3 month break .. If people like Rochard "feel" it then it must be true & to hell with the facts.

Besides his personal experience on every topic + the neighbors, relatives and ghosts he has personal relationships with are far better gauges than actual stats.

Forget these facts:

a. Homeschooled students score about 72 points higher than the national average on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT).

I mean really ...who needs a good college .. right?

b. According to the Northeastern State University study, homeschoolers are more likely to come from homes with educated parents and higher incomes.

Wait... I thought they all were uneducated religious zealots?


c. A U.S. Department of Education study found that homeschooling parents are about twice as likely to have advanced degrees.

d. Homeschoolers made up 30 percent of the finalists in the 3M Young Scientist Challenge.

e. In the Canadian led, Concordia University study :

In 5 of 7 test areas, (word identification, phonic decoding, science, social science, humanities) structured homeschoolers were at least one grade level ahead of public schoolers.

They were almost half a year ahead in math, and slightly, but not significantly, advanced in reading comprehension.

f. The Department of Education?s Dr. Patricia Lines stated:

?Like the Antifederalists these homeschoolers are asserting their historic individual rights so that they may form more meaningful bonds with family and community. In doing so, they are not abdicating from the American agreement. To the contrary, they are affirming it.?

g. Brian Ray, of the National Home Education Research Institute, surveyed seven thousand adult graduates of homeschools. His research reveals they are significantly more likely to participate in community service initiatives, join civic, religious or business organizations and be politically involved.

Here's the real issue ...

"Homeschooled kids don?t lack socialization . . . but socialism."

And that's what pisses off the detractors.

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I wouldn't feel comfortable going to such a place and lying about why I am there but perhaps when my child is older and closer to going to school, I will check it out. I'm sure most of the kids in such a place are far more privileged than the average public school kid which could account for the 'softer' faces.

Of course for a good number of kids homeschooling is great, the parents are great teachers and want nothing but good things for the kid but this is not all cases. I know if i was home schooled I would most likely be far more introverted than I am and not near as independent. going to school 8 hours a day or so, away from the parents makes a child more independent. i'm sure a number of parents don't like that but its good for them. they don't have their parents to fall back on for help or for an answer or guidance in general, they are forced to use the tools given and figure it out themselves. for the time spent being home schooled, this never happens. sure it can happen afterwards but but its not the same. you don't *have* to go out and play with friends but you have to go to school.

and then you get the different personalities that teachers can have. a teacher who might really inspire a child to learn something or pursue a a certain career will never happen in home schooling. they have one parent, one teaching style, one personality and that's it.

another issue i have is with tests being taken online. this makes them pointless. who is ensuring the kid is not cheating? all tests should be taken in a public place with a third party monitor. there is nothing stopping parents who home school from just giving the kids all the answers so they look great on paper but actually know nothing. this is probably not the case with you or with many others but you can be sure a percentage are doing this.

if you live in the inner city, home schooling is probably a good idea. if you have a troubled child, home schooling may be a good idea. if you have a child that is highly prone to bullying, home schooling may be an option but i don't agree that all children benefit from home schooling and definitely not from every perspective. i am not crazy about public schools myself but i don't have the luxury of having enough time to home school my child, nor do i feel i have the knowledge required. also depsite everyone saying how much socialization they get, its still 8 hours a day less than public school kids and i feel that despite the bad kids, the bad influences, the drugs, the alcohol that they have to learn how to face all of this and more to be able to grow and live as adults. i will most likely be sending my child to a french public school, which is supposed to be better. i don't even speak french but my girlfriend does and she went to a french school while coming from an english speaking household and she feels she was much better off than her english public school peers. they were learning all subjects beyond what the english public school kids were getting.

You can argue that you need to stop 90% of things, if you use the argument that 5% of the time it goes wrong. How about the argument that sometimes kids get bullied to the point of committing suicide, or carrying that stuff with them for the rest of their lives, if they go to a conventional school? Sure, most kids don't suffer from that, but 'this is not all cases'. I don't see any threads asking why conventional schooling is still legal. But then again thankfully most people aren't retards like the OP.

I see what you are saying but here a few things that are happening pretty much 100% with home schooling

- less independence from parents
- one person teaching them everything
- no one monitoring the proper curriculum is being taught and ensuring home schooling is made a priority
- tests taken online are always going to be cheated on
- the fact that parents treat their kids differently than teachers would. if billy is having a bad day or the kid and the parent had a fight earlier, the parent is less likely to ensure the days school work is done.

as for bullying, i would argue that some bullying is good for kids. how else are they going to learn to stand up for themselves? this is why kids are killing themselves now and weren't 20 years ago over getting picked on. no one is teaching them how to stand up for themselves. they are being taught to be passive and eventually they can't take it anymore.

You guys really need to spend some time learning about home schooling. The people you speak of are generally not those home schooling their children.

I was going to write out a long post, but trend's post above says much of what I was going to say.

That is not even remotely accurate. Home schooling does not mean they rely on one person to learn from. You can bring in the best private teachers in the world to work with them on some subjects if you want. It's up to you.

Boom Shocka Locka!

A combo of both is what we have planned. Private school right now in Korea. In Canada probably public school. However I will be pushing the math and sciences at home.

Regardless a bible thumper would not get any alone time with my kids. Not talking about you Donny. All of the bible thumpers.

Great read.

But you didn't address the point of my original post - which is the fact that most homeschooling is done by hardcore religious parents (who don't want their young exposed to reality) thats my problem with it...

Great smart parents who teach real shit - ok go nuts and keep your kids home.

I wonder what percentage of homeschool parents teach evolution - probably in the single digit percentile.

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Got a lot of people in here jumping up and down about how great homeschooling is - but it looks like a whole lot of former homeschooled kids are pissed and want to see shit change.

http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/

Mission:

Our mission is to make homeschooling better for future generations through awareness, community building, and healing.

Goals:

Our organizational goals are as follows:

1. To bring awareness to the suffering many children experience through aspects of the Christian homeschool movement.

2. To educate the public about the inner workings and politics of certain Christian homeschooling communities.

3. To provide a voice against some of the extreme positions of Christian homeschool ideologues.

4. To inspire survivors to speak up about abuse and control.

5. To give hope to those who currently suffer from abuse and control.

6. To bring healing to those who have escaped an abusive or controlling home environment and provide new survivors with resources for developing independence.

7. To create a community of shared experiences.

I couldn't find the really good article that I wanted to post about this homeschooling story, but below is what I could find doing a quick Google search. basically, 2 teens were being homeschooled by their Christian fundamentalist families and were interacting thru a homeschooling student forum, fell in love and declared themselves boyfriend/girlfriend. the teen boy killed the girl's parents, she took off with him. there was no evidence she was in on the killing, but there was assumption she "may" have been. in the article I was unable to find, a shrink talked about how both teens were too insulated due to being homeschooled and lived in dream worlds, and that homeschooled students don't get the same socialization and real world exposure from a homeschooling environment.

book on Amazon about the murders

USA Today article about the murders

What is truly ironic (in its actual meaning) is Brad's thoughts on extraterrestrials yet finds the idea of a Supreme Being to be nonsense.

Worry about your own fucking kids.

Oh shit; he has kids? :Oh crap

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Homeschooling in and of itself is not a bad thing.

I was fortunate that I was able to attend alternative school, which essentially let me build my own high school curriculum, otherwise I would have probably been kicked out of school (I've always had a problem with authority figures, lol).

Many of the founders of the early unschooling and secular progressive homeschooling movements had many laudable goals and points which I still agree with, and I sense that the education experience is and can be radically transformed and improved as a result of the internet and other new technology.

I was on the internet practically from Day 1, when I was already an adult, so I think it would have been cool to grow up with computers from my youth (oh yeah, and I should have gone to Film school instead of studying Sociology and History for 6 years in college, lol).

Sadly, the noble cause of the early homeschool movement has been co-opted by narrow-minded Christian fundamentalists, who have a vastly different agenda, that is more about rigid religious indoctrination than anything else.



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Please feel free to expand on my thoughts on extraterrestrials and also my thoughts on a supreme being.

I am fascinated on what you might say.

Baddogs ridicule shows a neat snapshot into the mind of the flat earth christian. (oh they finally came around to accepting that the earth is a sphere?) They don't believe in radio carbon dating or geological science, not if it throws into question the all powerful, all seeing, all knowing, big bad dog in the sky.

The idea that it's more likely that there is some super powerful being watching our every move, than there may be other space faring beings out there amongst the trillions of other earthlike planets...well it's is just baffling in it's mind numbing idiocy.

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One of my best friends grew up home schooled - with hardcore christian parents...one of the funniest and most charismatic dudes I've ever known - he was a on camera personality and TV host and was always the most fun guy at any party - everyone loved him.

His Christian parents kept him from the outside world and any contact with anyone outside of the "Faith" He had to sleep with his hands on top of the covers at all times...with a big Jesus on the cross overlooking his bed. His mother would check in on him several times during the night and if his hands were under the covers she would scream "EYE OF JESUS IS ON YOU!" this was her attempt to keep him from ever masturbating.

As fun and cool as he was to hang out with, he always said how fucked up he was in the head because of his parents, and how hard it was when he finally found out that Christ was a fairy tale just like Santa...he always said how ill equipped he was to handle the real world - I thought he was fine, that he was just bitching about the past...till he killed himself.

I dont have kids yet but yea this shit is personal to me just the same.

part of the problem with kids today is that everyone is just so quick to look the other way when it comes to other people's kids. the saying it takes a village to raise a child seems to be a dead one these days. i care about other people's kids because they are around my kids and will one day be running shit.

What does the homeschooling movement has against private schools ?
They seem to provide the best of both worlds.

You're on a forum targeted to people in the porn business. With the exception of Donny, how many people here do you think are hardcore Christians? Or even pretend Christians?

Yeah that just confirms they're largely religious loons doing church based community stuff, voting to defeat the antichrist (Obama) and happy because the skygod lubs them. *shrugs*

What I'd really like to see is a study that compares apples to apples academically. I have no doubt A homeschooled child performs better than most inner city public school students, it's not exactly a high bar to set. I'd warrant they're mostly not from broken homes (someone has to stay home and teach while the other works) or particularly wealthy and no matter how deluded they obviously care about their child's education which is one of the most important things supporting a child actually learning. Also it's hard to be a truant - ha.

But I'd be interested in a study that accounts for socio-economics family integrity and educational support in the home otherwise it's just correlation. It's the same thing as the fact that kids of gay couples perform better at school. Like home schooling it's not a reason to bat for the other team and adopt a kid to make sure they perform better, it's just that gay couples really, really wanted their children and had to jump through a lot of extra hoops to make it happen as well as the far higher socio economics of being able to afford the $30k to adopt a baby which ruins any relative measurement from a data set that includes all the "accidental" kids from multiple fathers and unwanted children whose parents take it out on them - ie the "average".

I have my own issues with the public schooling system, it certainly didn't help someone like me who needed more stimulation and didn't really fit in a rote learning worker bee environment. I have nothing much against someone homeschooling their kids because the alternative is sending them to the local school with metal detectors and kids getting pregnant at 14. I get that I really do. You kind of have to have kids to understand it. But homeschooling is predominantly religious nutballs wanting 110% control over their kids mostly so they don't possibly end up burning in hellfire by being exposed to non-christian thought.

If there was a "Like" button I would have pushed it.

In Quebec we're lucky to have a schooling system where kids can come home and not be brainwashed enough to fail home debate and "re-education" - and if they report their home-based education at school, you don't have a SWAT team waiting for you after work...

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nice post, and I think 90% of people here would agree with it. Just wanted to comment on the above section though;

predominantly religious nutballs? source?

I guess what I can't understand is why anyone wants to do away with something because not 100% of people in it/doing it/using it/whatever fit *their* own perception and preference of how 'it should be'. Whether that's homeschooling, public schooling, being involved in porn, or using guns. Or anything else.

Here's how utopia seems to be for some (generalising now, not directly in relation to the quote) on this board:

no guns
no 'dangerous' dogs
no homeschooling
no fill_in_the_blank

I think it was already mentioned in this thread about intolerance - how is it that the hardcore anti-homeschooling mob (to keep to this thread topic) can't see that they want the same utopia religious nutjobs want, just in a different form? The OP is no different from the religious nuts he is so enraged by, let alone the fact he starts a bunch of anti-religion crap on a board where I bet about 0.01% are even religious to start with...

I'm married to a teacher...and most people I know wouldn't be her equal in the field of educating children. You have no idea what you're talking about.

After reading that you can end the thread. Nice reply dude

I believe that homeschooling is ridiculous except for a few extreme cases where a child has severe mental problems and can in no way function in a "school" setting.

Every homeschooled kid I have ever met when I was young and a few kids over the years from our current neighborhoods that were homeschooled for any length of time were social retards and/or religious freaks.

Part of the school experience and social development of a child relies on integration with a variety of peers and teachers. While our public school system is far from perfect, there is no way that "you" can keep your kids home and teach him all of the life skills to not only survive, but thrive in the real world.

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No offense Mitch ( I'm old too )

But when you were young...

a. Computers weren't even being sold to the public.
b. There was no internet.

Your perspective is just too damn old.

Really not sure why I bother but :

Gifted children are the fastest-growing group to leave traditional institutions for homeschooling. In many cases, school districts can't afford the resources necessary to meet these students' highly individualized needs.

Rather than losing these children altogether, some districts have become more flexible, allowing for partial homeschooling. The students attend school for part of the day and then learn at home or at a tutoring center or other approved site for the rest of the day.

Ruth Fox, a parent in Naperville, Illinois, worked with her local high school and junior college to structure an educational plan for her high-achieving son, David. When he was 14, David took three morning classes at the high school, was home schooled the remainder of the day, and attended advanced computer science courses at the junior college two evenings a week. "Partial homeschooling met David's academic needs," Fox says. "It allowed him to soar, not get bored, and to develop his talents and interests."

Source: http://www.scholastic.com/


This is necessary because of the back asswards policy of teaching to the lowest common denominator in the public schools.

I may be old but I do know this....

The internet and computers don't teach social skills and interaction.

I see the kids that are homeschooled now too and its no different.
Crazy or ultra religious parents are usually the ones I have seen homeschool their kids and they turn out just like them.

^^trend: good solution. I have relatives with serious home schooling going on. My criticism always was let the kids grow the fuck up as well.

Mix it up, get the best of both worlds.

The big problem with homeschooling is that most of the parents are not qualified to be teaching in the first place, most of the time they sign up for these homeschool programs that send you lessons are just barely cover the basics. I think that anyone who homeschools should at least have a four year degree preferably in education. My nephew was homeschooled by his crazy bible thumping mother who signed him up for some christian homeschool program that wasn't worth crap, the math problems would have examples using myrrh and frankincense and other bible stuff. He was evaluated at around 15 and he was two grades behind at that point, luckily he is a pretty smart kid otherwise and is doing ok now. His mom was so fanatical that he wasn't even allowed to watch Star Wars, so while he was growing up I burned him copies of heavy metal music and south park episodes to make sure he was exposed to some real culture at least.

Here's some data:

-On average, homeschoolers outperform public and private school counterparts by 30 to 37 points in all subject on skill assessment tests.
-Research shows homeschooled students are just as involved in extracurricular activities as students in private schools and considerably more so than public school students.
-College programs are beginning to actively seek out homeschooled students as they are more academically prepared for higher learning.

That's why.