Never! :)

This is beautiful - an actual millionaire coming out and proud that he doesnt give a flying fuck if 10's of millions of poor and young people are thrown off health care coverage.

Cool that you pay the higher rates for your employee's you are to be commended. But here you are spitting out the right wing talking points about the national debt and so on...and that Obamacare "hurts" working people - you are just repeating the slanted ideology that the health insurance industry, Fox, Crossroads (and other lobby groups) has paid so heavily to get guys like you to regurgitate.

You want to trash Obamacare and fuck millions of people out of a chance to get health insurance because you claim that it costs you and your workers more? (very debatable mathematically over the long term) But what about:

Millions of young people up to the age of 26 can stay on their parents policies...No annual limits on healthcare...Insurance companies can't drop you when you are sick...You can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions... strong focus on preventive services...A large improvement to women's health services..Reforms to the healthcare industry to cut wasteful spending...Better care and protections for seniors...and MILLIONS more people will be covered under expanded Medicaid.

"No matter how it plays out, I win. Do you understand that?"

It's the pure hubris of a rich guy to think this debate has anything to do with you. Who gives a fuck that you won the game of money grab, you are losing here, that much is clear.

because i thought obama and his fellow democrats or liberals meant they were pro-choice.

actually I looked it up, Mintes people would be eligible for tax credits if they make $12 an hr.

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

I looked up one person making $12 an hr
Household income in 2014:209% of poverty level
Unsubsidized annual health insurance premium in 2014:$3,018
Maximum % of income you have to pay for the non-tobacco premium, if eligible for a subsidy:6.61%
Amount you pay for the premium:$1,587 per year
(which equals 6.61% of your household income and covers 53% of the overall premium) You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to:$1,432
(which covers 47% of the overall premium)

Now you add a wife and a couple of kids and it goes down to paying close to nothing.

FYI there is no free ride in the universe Tony, all energy comes from somewhere... you paying close to nothing means I pay the rest :2 cents:

pretty sure most of the money went to Obama and his in crowd :1orglaugh

Everyone should pay their own way with healthcare...but the problem is something that should be within reach of every citizen is a racket that shuts out anyone not making a basic modest income.

You are paying for it now dont you understand that? It will cost you less because they wont be running off to emergency rooms for colds.

How you managed to draw that attitude from what I said is at best seriously flawed.

But then I read your other post and the video you attached and realized that you must have a reason for it.. Not my concern, Good luck with your Obamacare.

The numbers you posted for the cost of mediocre health insurance aren't even close.
family plan today. = $1356 per month,I just looked at the bill for this month. If we stay at the 70% that means the employee pays $406.00 per month. If he/she uses the insurance they have to pay the first $1000 out of their pocket. If they are hospitalized it's an additional $2000 out of pocket. Drugs are $20.00 per presecription, monthly.

Keep in mind, most companys only cover 50% so the employees portion goes up to $678.00 per month.

Assuming the government actually finds the cash to help out the employee, and that is a big assumption it's still no where near enough to cover it.

Guys I have a solution to the problems with ObamaCare!

Just become a Congressman or Senator and/or go to work for them on their staff or become a member of their family by marrying a daughter.

They get extra money to subsidize their "ObamaCare".

I've been pointing that out over and over and over as well...and none of these Obamapoplogists with all their excuses are addressing that one.

If this is so great...then WHY is Congress doing that?

Because they know it sucks. And they aren't going to settle for the shit they are forcing on us peasants.

And as far as Obama making that big promise that "If you like your current healthcare insurance, you can keep it"

Tell that to the almost 300,000 Walgreens employees who just found out that Walgreens can't afford ObamaCare and now they will all be going to the "Exchanges" to buy insurance.

They will NOT be keeping their current plan. And Home Depot is doing the same thing.

Just another Obama lie that is just ignored by his fanboys.

This is really getting pathetic in every way.

Jimmy Carter look out! You're gonna get replaced as Worst U.S. President In Modern History.

Ok if my reasoning is flawed then you don't want Obamacare repealed? If you DO then all my above points are very valid.

I am not a fan Obamacare believe it or not - the profit motive needs to be completely removed from health care - Obamacare didnt go far enough because the obstructionists (otherwise known as Republicans) fucked every progressive attempt for REAL health reform.

Anyone who thinks the Dems had their chance to make single payer happen are delusional and weren't following the debate as it went down.

Profit making from health care insurance needs to be OUTLAWED in this society if we are ever going to make real reforms.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle Porn
Can he move out to India and accept Indian salary? At least he won't be homeless...
LA sounds expensive

Good luck to him. Times are tough on gfy.

Funny you should mention this but he would work for an hourly rate right now that is close to what I'm paying my Indian Programmer. But of course he's 21 and no overhead and my guy in Indian has 3 mouths to feed.

So you toss a friend to the curb and hire an Indian programmer. Very American of you.'
My employees are here in my building. Not a cent of my money goes to India.
You said, I was losing here. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

government healthcare here in new zealand is pretty good. the government tends to just throw money at problems wishing they would go away. if you don't like the united states for their healthcare, or any other reason, then maybe you would like to move somewhere else. i think many americans should be hating themselves anyway for only being american, so change that by becoming a different nationality.

I'd need a lot better reason to leave than healthcare. With the exception of the current political climate this is a great place to live.

by the way op you describe the most extreme of republican, the lunatic fringe, how much say they have in the party today i don't know. they are the kind of people who shot giffords or maybe even hernandez who quite really tried to pick off obama in the oval office after somehow being convinced he was the devil incarnate. he happened to be out of d.c. at the time.

between 2002 and 2007 you really had to be politically aware back then to realise how bad your government had been behaving with all the scandal, all the war. i don't lay the blame for all of america's problems at the door of obama, if anyone it is probably nixon or carter, going way back to the root of the extremely sloppy leadership someone somewhere that has made the united states what they are today.

Anyone been checking in on that Ted Cruz "filibuster" on CSPAN? He's got some help from the usual gallery of Republican idiots like Mike Lee. It's hard to listen to these guys spew this bullshit, and they're just flat out lying about the health care law, and making it sound like someone is going to sneak into your grandma's bedroom and strangle her, then fuck the corpse. Hopefully Ted Cruz will shit his pants by the morning.

Yes, because it's a horrible political climate. That's it.

You know, because things were so much better under the last Republican administration - you know, the one that brought the entire world to it's knees.

keep republican senator rob portman out of the oval office. more people obviously need to wake up to what the american government are up to. why are they still voting if red and blue are foes on the political stage but creepy communal nudists on estate winerys and fraternal beer buddies behind closed doors?

To me it looks like cheap insurance for the average person.

Mr.Dramatic speaks.

The political divide is the widest you've seen in your lifetime. GFY is a perfect microcosm.
During Bush's 8 years there was rarely if ever the type of near hatred between webmasters here like there has been during Obama's term.

And that hatred is everywhere today. Not just words of text on an adult message board.
There was a time when working for success was applauded. Today not so much.
I remember some of your threads during the Bush years. You were all pumped up about how property values were going through the roof. It was great, until it all fell apart.

I also remember, way back to the daily dose - bikinipage years. You and I got along well.
Today, not so much.. and it's all politically motivated.

This era of politics has made enemy's out of a lot of people

Because your side has been feeding the fire. That blackie blackenstien is going to take your guns,create death panels and make us communist. He isnt even from this country. We need to take our country back. etc etc etc. When the truth is he is gop lite at best and no different than any other politician we had, just black.

And of course my side would respond... Your fellow ignored the terrible economy in 2008 and let Pelosi and Reid push him into creating Obamacare. Not only did it divide the population it spooked business people. Not knowing what to expect from this group kept the economy down for 4 more years. Look at the debt. That's actually the biggest problem that anyone in business would recognize. Obama, can't be faulted for not understanding economics. He had no experience in any type of business. Did he ever take a paycheck from anyone besides the government?

And then,the mantra of the left.. You don't like Obamacare because he's black.

How...specifically...will Obamacare affect your business...and your employees?

That's a joke right?

You think Obama is the one to blame for all of those problems with business and the economy alone? It wasn't Congress and their debt ceiling games at the 11th hour, failing to pass annual budgets, endless filibusterers, the wars started by Bush wiping out the Clinton budget surplus and creating a massive deficit, or unsustainable tax policy giving the rich massive cuts?

Wow... talk about some thick ass beer goggles.

:2 cents:

He will have to spend 9 hours a day on GFY instead of 8 1/2 so he can whine more about it.

It's still the question today.

In 2009 no one knew anything beyond the fact that business was going to take another hit. Factor in Obama wants business to pay more taxes. There is a good reason why people that have money to invest in brick and mortar business have stood on the sidelines for so long.

If the left really isn't anti-business they have an odd way of showing it.

The word would be repond to other peoples posts.
I'm on my way out the door to meet with a customer, so there won't be any more responses till later today.

And thats without the subsidy which will drive the price down.

Business has grown and prospered under obama. The middle class got fucked in the ass.
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-m...-obama-2012-11
Over 1 million new millionaires under obama: the muslim, communist ,socialist, boogeyman.

Shit I'd gladly take $328/month with out a subsidy. Much cheaper than what I pay now,.... Thanks Obama.

Right now on the floor, Harry Reid is asking Ted Cruz to yield 15 minutes for John McCain -- and he's not yielding. This is because Cruz knows McCain wants to rip him a new asshole.

Maybe he hasnt finished reading Green Eggs And Ham? Most likely will take him a week to get through that book.

He made some ridiculous analogies to Star Wars also.

..and I'm a little foggy on my Dr Suess, but didn't the narrator like the green eggs and ham at the end? I'm assuming the green eggs and ham is Obamacare.

but I am not political at all really. I have thoughts about this nonsense, but at the end of the day we are picking the lesser of two evils. You just have some funny concepts - You say this administration is bad for business people, and you say people don't expand when their goverment is "against" small business owners. I say hogwash - business expand when they can no matter what kind of government is in office. No one says "I can expand and double my business in the next two years, but the President is anti business so I'll wait four years".

the funny thing about boards is that at a certain point of us attain a "board persona" that isn't reflective of who we really are. People here think I am one thing, but the truth is I can be just the opposite - People think I am anti gun, yet I own more assault rifles than most people here. My problem with Zimmerman wasn't that one person was black and the other Hispanic; My problem was that I could be walking down the street and shot and killed because I was wearing a hoodie.

I've tried to contact you a number of times outside of GFY, but you've never responded to me. Hit me up some time - let's chat. (Just not now - I am in Europe.)

i was thinking the other day how would the united states prosper without the black and white two party system. perhaps a lot of many new ideas would be put in to action if a few more parties were involved in their democratic process of government.

All this talk on GFY about stuff that most of us don't have a real insight into (the real business world).

I watch CNBC every afternoon...the real business leaders and analysts are all saying that this is a big problem.
Walgreens taking all their employees OFF of their health insurance is a big problem.
Home Depot doing it as well.
Other companies cutting hours.
47 out of 50 states with insurance premiums going UP is a big problem.
California possibly rising by as much as 300% is a big problem.
The UNIONS (which as you know, vote big time Democrat) are wanting to be exempted.
Congress has given itself a subsidy to "help" it's own ObamaCare (but we the people don't get that)
People who already are unemployed or underemployed and can't pay for insurance being FORCED to is a big problem.
The U.S. govt. so far in debt that we will never be able to pay it off is a big problem

Those are the facts of what is happening.

I'm watching MSNBC and even THEY are saying that it needs to be "fixed".

I have to wonder what planet some of y'all live on.

It was a good meeting..back now for the afternoon.

$328 per month. I know how well the government is at doing math:disgust. But take that for a good number. There are still the deductibles. If you need to go to the hospital it's another $3000 per year. That's another $250 per month, which brings the total to $578. In the case of a worker making $12 an hour that's better than 25% of their income.

There's not an average worker in the US that can afford that. So they gamble that they won't need serious healthcare. Now take the real number of the monthly premium which I am reading off the bill from WPS and the number is what I posted a few days ago in this thread.

From the business side of things, we also are required to have work comp insurance. That cost has risen as fast as healthcare. Today, that cost is way into the six figures annually for our business. I can only imagine what GM pays.. And that rate is based on a government controlled mod-rate. If you've have any serious accidents in the factory that mod-rate rises and stays at that rate for 3 years.

I dumped off ICQ a few years ago. If you still have my old email I do check that at least a few times a week.

Are you saying that like it's a good thing?

My concern in all this is about the people working in the plant. I see how badly the middle class is getting the shaft. I am not denying that management is doing fine. I also realize that a lot of you think that owners and vp's etc...get paid too much. In the cases of fortune500 companies I tend to agree.

I did the math a while back on how much walmart employees would make if the owners didn't take a billion a year as compensation. If you divide that billion amongst all the employees it added up to - not much. It was a few hundred dollars more per year, per employee.

Teatards... The REAL American Morons.

http://www.fetishsoup.com/GFY/TeaCorp.jpg

oh shit that cartoon nails it.

So I guess that means that democrats want the government to be responsible for every part of your lives.

Better than having corporations responsible for every part of our life. At least govt has to abide by the constitution, corporations do not.

Yeah those stupid Tea Party people. Just puppets for "big business"

What? Congress has given itself a financial subsidy for themselves, their families and their staff to help with their "ObamaCare"?

The UNIONS are calling it "disastrous" and wanting to be exempted from it?

Walgreens just dropped all of it's employees from their healthcare plan and now they will all have to buy NEW health insurance on the govt. run "Exchanges"? (so they DON'T get to "keep their current health care" like Obama promised in all of his speeches).

Home Depot just did the same thing.

Companies are cutting hours so people are now making even LESS money so the companies can avoid the burdens of ObamaCare on them?

Wow.
And this is a DEMOCRAT law?

But the Dems aren't a bunch of puppets...right?

Enjoy the trillions of dollars you're getting handed to you Big Insurance, Big Pharma, and Big Medical Corp.

Thank goodness for ObamaCare!

Hey there..YOU CAN'T TALK LIKE THAT..DAMN RACER!@! :winkwink: