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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-18-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

oh there will be more from me but not off the cuff Im working a lot of things

what porners need to get from this the most is to look at AHF tactics ... they are KILLING US with strong political tactics that we are too dumb to understand to do ourselves....as an industry we are in crisis we need to hire a crisis management pr firm at this point

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Originally Posted by DWB

That's why we got the industry we deserve.

But they won't look at the AHF and their tactics. They are still too busy bragging that no transmission happened on set and tooting their own horns as if there has been some sort of victory.

It's almost painful to watch.

The FSC has failed miserably to get out in front of this from Day 1.

Ever since then they have been playing catch up and cover up, in part because of their deep financial involvement with PASS, and because one of the FSC Board members is at the center of the current HIV fiasco.

The FSC strategy (if there was one) has been poorly planned and badly executed.

I pointed out last week, that Weinstein was using just such a tactic, and sure enough...

No, it is no wonder that former performers who contract HIV end up in the arms of the AIDS Health Foundation, and it is because, love them or hate them, they actually help people, and they are doing something to try and prevent HIV/AIDS spreading (not that I agree with all of their tactics, etc).

Look at what the industry has done (not done) so far for Cameron Bay - on her HIV Fund Donation page there are only 21 donations so far, and most not from industry people. The industry essentially turned it's back on other performers as well.

All that the FSC does every time is wait out the latest outbreak, and resume with nearly the same practices which led to the last outbreak. It's a sad cycle of disease.

The FSC should call an industry-wide meeting to address all that has gone on, and the issues which have been raised over the past month (and years).

The entire Board of the FSC must resign, and new leadership should be chosen to start restoring credibility to the industry trade group, starting by coming up with a comprehensive industry-wide standard for protecting the health and safety of performers, and not this current, detect the infection after the fact method, which is infective against prevention.

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Robbie · 09-18-2013, 02:44 PM

I'm almost of the opinion that the "industry" needs to do the opposite of getting a pr firm.

I think that we should all just shut up making "statements".

As I said earlier...back in the 1980's when this was a real death sentence...the biggest star in the world John Holmes contracted it.
But the "industry" was closed back then, and it took care of things itself. And despite people predicting that everyone in the industry would now be infected because of all the people John Holmes had fucked and then all of their partners, etc. : It didn't happen.

I think it may just be possible that we are all talking too damn much. Too many statements and self-professed industry "leaders".

Maybe if we just shut up about it and let the leader of AHF hold his press conferences and carry on about it, he will eventually troll himself to exhaustion.

The guy has a big agenda. But it takes two to tango. Everytime someone responds to him it makes him a little bit more "important" and gives the story "legs".

The real story here is: A couple (Cameron and Rod) contracted HIV. Their only crime? Having fun.
In addition to just plain out partying with her bisexual boyfriend and having group sex with bisexual guys (as documented by her own social media)...she made her living escorting and stripping. Doing porn movies in addition to her 15 minutes of fame on reality t.v. allowed her to get top dollar at her "real job".

In order to do porn movies, she needed to be tested.
Thank God she was and got it caught early. Now she can still live a long life and within a few months of taking the medication she will have a ZERO viral load and no trace of HIV in her system.

The testing procedures in place for shooting porn DEFINITELY helped in catching it fast.

The chances of her testing herself if she were just escorting or stripping were probably ZERO and she may have went on to progress to full-blown AIDS and then would have died.

Am I missing something there?

And is anyone blaming her boyfriend, or her, or the strip clubs she worked, or the guys she serviced as an escort?
No?
Only the porn industry huh?

And how many scenes did she shoot in her entire "career"?
And how much income does that add up to?

Someone said she started shooting about 3 years ago right?

I'd never heard of her...but let's say she shot 20 scenes at $1200 each.

So that is DEFINITELY not how she made her living over 3 years time.

But it's Porn's "fault" that she is HIV postiive?

How about it was because she went to shoot a scene... that she was able to know that she had contracted HIV because of the testing that was in place? Shooting porn and being tested is what caught the infection.

Put the pieces together...Was anybody else on the Kink shoot HIV+?
Nope.

Has anybody else that she shot with in any scene showed up as HIV+?
Nope.

So she got it from the obvious place...her boyfriend and her personal life.

End of story.

She could have been working at Burger King and the outcome would still be the same:
EXCEPT she wouldn't know she even had it.

And once you look at the facts...SHE is the one who put others in danger on the set. Not the other way around as she is now claiming along with AHF.

Am I wrong?

mikesouth · 09-18-2013, 02:45 PM

Where is RedRob now.....

DWB · 09-18-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The real story here is: A couple (Cameron and Rod) contracted HIV. Their only crime? Having fun.

In addition to just plain out partying with her bisexual boyfriend and having group sex with bisexual guys (as documented by her own social media)...she made her living escorting and stripping.

And is anyone blaming her boyfriend, or her, or the strip clubs she worked, or the guys she serviced as an escort?

Only the porn industry huh?

But it's Porn's "fault" that she is HIV postiive?

How about it was because she went to shoot a scene... that she was able to know that she had contracted HIV because of the testing that was in place? Shooting porn and being tested is what caught the infection.

Put the pieces together...Was anybody else on the Kink shoot HIV+?
Nope.

Has anybody else that she shot with in any scene showed up as HIV+?
Nope.

So she got it from the obvious place...her boyfriend and her personal life.

End of story.

She could have been working at Burger King and the outcome would still be the same:
EXCEPT she wouldn't know she even had it.

And once you look at the facts...SHE is the one who put others in danger on the set. Not the other way around as she is now claiming along with AHF.

Am I wrong?

You're not wrong, but the media doesn't care about any of that. None of what you said sells papers, gets clicks, or get views. It also doesn't fit the agenda of AHF who outsmarts and outguns the porn industry in every way. As far as what the public sees, what the media writes is what becomes the truth. That's the way it always is on any topic. Since the AHF has better media relations and is much smarter about playing the media, they win. Porn loses. But to be honest, porn never had a chance. We're our own worst enemy.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-18-2013, 06:10 PM

Cameron Bay, a porn actress who contracted the HIV virus, is overcome with emotion during a news conference in Los Angeles.
- Associated Press

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HIV-Infected Porn Actors Call for Condom Use

Several current and former adult film performers who have tested positive for HIV spoke out Wednesday about working conditions in the industry.

Cameron Bay, the actress whose positive HIV test result prompted a weeklong moratorium on filming last month, spoke at a Hollywood news conference about an on-set incident that she said had put performers at risk.

A teary-eyed Bay said that in a July 31 film shoot with San Francisco-based Kink.com, an incident resulted in an actor getting a cut on his penis and bleeding. She said the actor continued performing without a condom.

Bay said she had been in the adult film industry for three months and had shot 10 scenes before learning she had HIV on Aug. 21. She had tested negative for HIV on July 27.

"I'm not here to push anything down anybody's throat, I'm not here to fight anybody's fight," she said. "I'm just here to share my story and to get knowledge out there to people and try to prevent anything like this happening to anyone else."

The news conference was convened by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, which has pushed for legislation to require condom use on all adult film sets. The group backed a measure that was passed by voters in Los Angeles County last year -- currently the subject of a lawsuit -- and a state bill written by Assemblyman Isadore Hall (D-Compton) that died in committee in the legislative session that ended last week.

The adult film industry has shut down twice in the last month as a result of performers' HIV-positive test results. Industry representatives have insisted that the three performers who tested positive during that time -- including Bay, her real-life boyfriend, Rod Daily, and a third performer who has not been publicly identified -- did not contract the infection on set and that frequent STD testing protocols are working.

An actor who did not identify himself also spoke via telephone at the news conference Wednesday. He said he too had contracted HIV within the last six months, possibly on set, but declined to identify the studio he had worked for or to give any further details.

Adult film industry trade group Free Speech Coalition, which oversees the STD-testing system, has said it is not aware of that case.

The industry announced Monday that the current moratorium will end Friday, but said it also planned to increase the frequency of required testing from every 28 days to every 14 days.

All on-screen partners of the HIV-positive performers tested negative, they have said.

Another performer, Patrick Stone, who had not previously spoken out, said Wednesday that he received what turned out to be a false positive on an HIV test earlier this month.

Stone said no one from the industry had contacted him about his test results, but that a representative of Kink.com had emailed him about rescheduling a shoot he had planned with them for Thursday.

"They had me scheduled for a shoot tomorrow, and as far as they knew, I was HIV positive," he said.

Stone provided a copy of the Sept. 12 email, in which the scheduler said the shoot would be a domination fetish shoot not involving "fluid exchange or skin-to-skin contact." The email made no mention of the test result.

A Kink spokesman was not able to immediately respond to the allegations raised by Bay and Stone. The AIDS Healthcare Foundation filed a complaint against the studio last month with Cal/OSHA, the state agency overseeing workplace safety. That resulted in an investigation being opened.

At the time, Kink owner Peter Acworth said the company was cooperating in the investigation and called the studio's safety protocols "some of the most stringent in the industry."

Spokesman Mike Stabile said the studio has a "double-blind" policy on condom use under which any performer can request a condom to be used on a shoot, and when directors hire a performer, they are not told whether the performer requested a condom.

ut, he added, "Ms. Bay's shoot caused us concern long before the subject of HIV came up. While HIV was not transmitted on set, there were incidents on that shoot, including some of the same ones that Ms. Bay identified, that have caused us to reevaluate what we permit on shoots involving members of the public, even when it’s consensual."]

Some performers have spoken out against requiring condoms on set, saying it should be their personal choice. But others say they fear that they will be out of work if they ask to use condoms.

"Asking for a condom on set wasn't really what you did, because you could just be replaced," Bay said.

Daily, who has primarily worked in gay scenes, said his experience shows that condoms work. In gay sex scenes, unlike straight scenes, condom use is standard. Daily, who has worked in the industry since 2003, said he had shot in the past with performers who were HIV positive and had not contracted the disease.

He criticized the industry for requiring performers in most cases to pay for their own STD tests -- and the cost to actors will now increase as more frequent testing is required.

"Their main business is money, not the performers," he said of adult film studios. "I do know for a fact that condoms will work, have worked, do work."

I don't think this is going to end with the FSC simply calling for an end to their toothless moratorium.

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Blazing · 09-19-2013, 07:18 AM

Hey ADG, I would like to personally thank you, and thank you on behalf of Cameron for your support and the donation you made. If anyone else cares to donate for Cameron bay, here is the link..

Donate for Cameron Bay

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Cameron Bay HIV Medical Fund

Cameron Bay HIV Medical Fund

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-19-2013, 11:00 AM

Excellent editorial by Mike South this morning:

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Talent?You Deserve Better, So make It Happen
By MikeSouth
September 19th, 2013

People in the biz like to beat up on AHF but we could and should learn a lot from them. For one thing AHF came up from what is probably the single most successful grass roots movement of all time. The effectiveness of the Grass roots AIDS awareness campaign was nothing short of staggering.

Groups like ACTUP and QueerNation were incredibly successful and effective so is it any wonder really that Aids healthcare Foundation absolutely mops the floor with pornographers? They came up tough and strong with effective PR tactics that WORK!

But there?s more, however you may wish to demonize AHF the bottom line is if you get HIV and you can?t afford to get the best doctors and meds AHF will absolutely put their money where their mouth is and get you the help you need.

And they don?t care which side of the condom debate you are on or whether you support them or not, say what you want about Michael Weinstein but his heart is way way closer to the right place than Diane Dukes is, he isn?t a hypocrite and he is damn good at what he does. If you think I don?t have a great deal of respect for this guy you?d be wrong.

Sure he has an agenda and so does The FSC, the difference is he knows how to successfully see his agenda through and he knows how to raise the money to do it.

I do not believe that he wants to get rid of porn. I do believe that as far as porn is concerned he is rather indifferent and accepts it as a viable business that has every right to exist.

The thing that really jumps out at me is that we could have had him as an ally, I don?t think that his requests/demands for our industry are unreasonable and I believe that we have more common ground than not. I approached him early on and suggested that porn might be better working with him than against him and he indicated a willingness to do that. It?s too bad our biz was hell bent on making him an enemy.

There are very few people in porn right now that would disagree that our industry has serious problems with STDs that need to be addressed, problems we should have been addressing a long time ago.

What if?sometime around 2006 or so we had recruited Weinstein as head of the FSC? Is there a single one of you who don?t think we would be in far better shape financially as an industry? I?m not saying he would have accepted, he makes a LOT more money than the FSC would pay, but I would bet bucks he would have served on the board, or appointed a representative to.

Truth is he is NOT our worst enemy we have two enemies that are way more destructive to this industry, the first is of course Diane Duke, and the second is our own apathy.

Just look at how effective his press conference was today. And look at how every time someone gets HIV in this biz they end up going to him for help, help that they get. then he does a press conference and completely makes us look like soul-less money grubbing whores that sadly?.we are.

They appeal to common sense and they do it in a very public way. Our best response is Diane Duke stomping her feet and saying it didnt happen on set, as though that somehow makes everyone on a set immune? She then claims that Cameron Bay or Rod Daily or whomever never exposed anyone in the industry?.That is a blatant lie?they exposed everyone in the industry that they worked with, they maybe didn?t INFECT anyone but they damn sure exposed them.

Is this really the best that we can do? As an industry we should be on The FSC doorstep tomorrow morning with hot tar and feathers. I have spoken with damn near all of porns power players in the last month and every single one says the same thing?.Diane Duke has to go! So why is she still here? Steve Orenstein, Steven Hirsch, Theo, Helmy, John Stagliano, Peter Acworth?.all of you guys, you know who you are?why in Gods name is she still allowed to even show her face in this industry?

I know that Manwin and Evil Angel and Maybe Kink are propping up the FSC, along with every talent that tests at CET but why are you guys helping to destroy our biz by allowing this? Manwin I get they BOUGHT the FSC they have the motive to keep them under their thumb, but even Manwin should have the sense at this point to flush that toilet and try to refill it with water that isn?t straight out of the sewer.

Thats the one thing I don?t get. the FSC is destroying us and we are giving them the money to do it? Come on y?all! Talent?you guys can help a lot?DONT TEST at CET, go to TTS go to anyplace except CET.

Flex your muscle and force the testing arm of this biz to be accountable to YOU not to the FSC, The producers, the agents or anyone else. Force them to stay neutral! The only part of this biz that the Testing people should be accountable to is YOU, the talent.

More and more of you are going condom only and I applaud you for that decision, but at the very least lets stop letting pornographers play ?doctor? with you.

Let me say this in a way that I hope will help you to understand it?.Diane Duke would rather lie to you than tell you the truth, she would rather see you die a horrible death than lose twenty dollars in ?donations? to the FSC. The FSC could care less if you live or die, there are lots of performers waiting to replace you.

The FSC only has a few hands left that are feeding them. I would like to suggest that performers refuse to use PASS at all and instead encourage Sixto at Talent Testing to re-instate his superior verification system, a system that worked. Go to the meeting Wednesday about Pro Health Testing, I'm told they are going to propose a verification system but get the testing and your health OUT of the hands of The FSC.

We deserve better?lets get it.

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Robbie · 09-19-2013, 11:23 AM

I again, would like to ask Mike...

Insurance is now required to cover HIV
Everyone is now required to have health insurance (if you don't the govt. will take care of it for you)

Why would anyone need the AHF to "help" you with your meds?
And even if there was no "ObamaCare"...every city has a LBGT that also does free medical for HIV.

I don't get all of this talk of the AHF "helping" anybody. That guy could care less about anyone's health. He has one objective and one objective only.

And having seen his protestors at an XBiz Awards show picketing a couple of years back...I can tell you there was a LOT of hate filled people with signs who wanted nothing more than the END of porn.

This guy is looking to take the food off of our tables. Plain and simple. He is using HIV as his tool.

Nobody in that whole debate is even DISCUSSING the fact that there is a new FDA approved, and being used RIGHT NOW, daily pill that prevents you from catching HIV in the first place.
Why? Because the AHF knows that condom only porn will hurt the industry. And the FSC knows that kind of pill could make their Testing P.A.S.S. lucrative company obsolete (just like the actual cure that is coming soon will...last couple of weeks have had a HUGE breakthrough)

And The AHF is not even addressing the FACT that these latest HIV cases did NOT occur because of Porn or shooting porn. And that the testing regimen in place basically saved these people's lives by alerting them to the fact that they had HIV and can now get the meds to save themselves.

I see NOTHING positive about AHF. Just another guy trying to be "important" with an agenda to destroy the livelihood of thousands of people.

I think the FSC is a joke too. But I'm not gonna let my feelings toward the FSC make me jump into bed with AHF in the court of public opinion.
The FSC is NOT the porn industry and does NOT represent me or thousands of other pornographers.

I don't even pay attention to their pronouncements.

But if you support the AHF and you are in the adult industry...you are digging your own grave.

This isn't about the clowns at FSC. It's about all of US.

JustDaveXxx · 09-19-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Excellent editorial by Mike South this morning:

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Yup, We look pretty bad as an industry.

Just Dave

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-19-2013, 05:24 PM

The entire AHF press conference:

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-20-2013, 10:28 AM

The FSC lifted their adult production moratorium today, so what has changed, other than performers having to test twice as frequently?

The result for performers is doubling their out of pocket expenses for testing that does nothing to prevent HIV spreading before it is detected, and only makes the window for exposure smaller (and does nothing about actual prevention in case a performer is HIV+, and is performing in between tests).

Meanwhile, many related issues continue to be ignored. The issues of multiples clinics with different standards, performers choosing to not participate in the PASS System, some companies who test but do not require condoms (and even discourage condom usage), some shooting with condoms that do not conduct HIV screening (or don't care about HIV status as long as condoms are used), and some companies that are even shooting HIV+ performers without condoms.

The moratorium may be over, but the clusterfuck continues...

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-21-2013, 12:05 PM

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Porn Producer Vows to Mandate Condoms after HIV Scare
By Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Senior Medical Correspondent
Fri September 20, 2013

(CNN) -- Over the summer, veteran porn producer Tristan Taormino was looking for performers for her new movie. A casting agent recommended a woman named Cameron Bay, and Taormino put her on her short list.

Less than two weeks later, Taormino found out Bay had HIV. It shook her up -- imagine if Bay had been on her set, she thought to herself, possibly transmitting the disease to the other performers.

That was the moment, Taormino says, that she decided to make a fundamental change in the way she does business and become one of the few straight porn producers to require condoms on her set.

"It just struck me we need to take a step back and look at how we can give people the safest work experience possible," she says. "I can no longer roll the dice on my set."

Taormino knows she's going to get heat for her decision from within her own industry.

Even with three recent cases of HIV among performers (Bay is one of them) many porn producers and performers are still fighting against mandatory condom use. According to the Free Speech Coalition, which represents the adult entertainment industry, when they tried using condoms nine years ago after another HIV outbreak, the $14 billion-a-year business saw revenue decline as much as 30%.

The industry group says in the recent cases, the performers did not contract the virus at work and didn't transmit it to any other performers. After the HIV cases were revealed, the industry shut itself down temporarily and required all performers to be re-tested for sexually transmitted infections. The moratorium ended Friday and performers went back to work.

Porn producers say performers are protected on the job because they have the option of using condoms if they want to. Plus, performers are tested for sexually transmitted infections every two weeks, and producers have access to the testing service's database that says whether performers are clear to work.

In November, Los Angeles County passed an ordinance requiring condom use on porn sets, but industry insiders say the rule is not well enforced and often ignored.
Council votes for condom mandate in adult films.

"We support choice for performers, as well as the successful testing system that has been in place since 1998, which have resulted in no on-set transmission of HIV in nine years, nationwide," Diane Duke, the coalition's CEO says on the group's website.

Many performers agree.

"We all take a risk going to work every day," performer Danny Wylde wrote in a blog post. "It's a managed risk. And it's something I choose to participate in so that I can get a paycheck at the end of my day."

But Taormino worries that the risk is perhaps not so well managed. She points out that the HIV cases, plus some recent cases of syphilis and hepatitis, show testing isn't foolproof. First, performers can become infected during the two week window between tests. Second, because of the nature of the HIV test, a person can become infected with the virus and still test negative for 7-10 days, according to the Free Speech Coalition.

Taormino says she'll require condoms even if she loses some viewers -- but she's not so sure she will.

"I know there's a lot of talk about how porn watchers don't want to see condoms and sales will plummet and everyone's going to be miserable," says Taormino. "But I'm not buying it."

Taormino, co-editor of "The Feminist Porn Book: The Politics of Producing Pleasure," does however, buy a different argument: some female performers say condoms are irritating and after a full day on the set they end up with abrasions inside their vaginas, and bacteria and viruses could find their way into the tiny cuts.

Dr. J. Craig Strafford says he's heard about this from many of his female patients -- he calls it "floor burn."

"This complaint is legitimate. It's a real physiological problem," says Strafford, a past vice president of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists who runs reproductive health and sexually transmitted disease clinics in Ohio.

"It's like when you fall off a bike and get a scraped knee. It could get infected if you don't clean it up," he says.

He says one solution might be to use a condom that's not made of latex, since some people find those irritating and abrasive, but non-latex condoms are often not available in the larger sizes male performers need.

But Strafford is clear: Even with the "floor burn" concern, it's still safer to use a condom.
"Not using condoms is not an option," he says.

Taormino agrees there's no easy solution for "floor burn," but condoms are still a must.
"I know it feels like I'm going out on a limb, but I hope that others will join me," she says.

They may already be joining her. While Wylde, who's acted in some of Taormino's productions, says he prefers to perform without a condom, he won't say no to a condom-only offer.

"If a porn producer is confident that he/she is able to maintain a viable business and provide the extra safety of barrier protection for performers, I'm 100% on board," he wrote in an email to CNN.

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adendreams · 09-21-2013, 06:33 PM

It's a shame but condoms in porn will never catch on and become the norm.

These 3 factors guarantee the ultimate demise of straight condom porn:

1. Too many guys immediately change the channel when they see a condom on a penis.
2. Medical science is advancing on STI's and AIDS to the point where risks levels are becoming negligible and diseases manageable.
3. There will always be plenty of places to produce porn without these laws, Producers will simply move.

I applaud those fighting for these regulations but it's a futile pursuit.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-22-2013, 10:20 AM

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Another Director Goes All Condom
By MikeSouth
September 21st, 2013

I?m told that Glen King is now condom only.

I seriously applaud the people in this biz who are starting to see that at least until we can come up with a better system and testing than PASS it is time to go condom only.

If more directors start doing this we could head off further legislation and start work on a testing system that is NOT in the hands of The FSC, that protects the talent and that works.

Kudos to Glen also Tom Byron, Alana Evans, Devon Michaels, Tristan Taormino, Brad Armstrong, Stormy Daniels, Nikki Charm, and everyone else who is going condom only at least until this all gets fixed.

If ANYONE gets denied a job for asking for a condom or pressured to shoot without one in any way, let me know I WILL absolutely rain HELL on whomever does that to you.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-23-2013, 09:59 AM

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Glenn King Writes About Why He Has Decided To Use Testing and Condoms On His Productions

This wasn?t a recent decision for me, it was decided around 5 months ago. I proposed to Evil Angel back in May that I produce/direct my first hardcore sex series. When I told Christian Mann it was going to be all condom, his answer was (I paraphrase) ?we are not against condoms. We are for choice. We leave that decision up to you, the producer. We support your decision 100%.. we are much more interested in whether you can bring us content that is compelling, unique, and marketable?. Nacho Vidal is also shooting condom content for Evil Angel. It?s not a problem.

Just to be clear, though, I use all condoms in my videos because it?s the law. If the law were to allow, I would be condom optional. I would film a speech before every scene where I explain to all performers that the best way to minimize risk is to use condoms.

If they chose to decline, I would ask them to sign a piece of paper acknowledging that they made an informed, consensual decision. My guess is that 50% of the time, the performers would decline to use condoms.

I use the PASS system along with the condoms. I don?t care which medical facility a performer tests with and I don?t want to see a paper test than can be modified. My PM logs into the PASS system the day before the scene at 4PM.

If the performer doesn?t have a green light in the system, the agent has an hour to correct this. If the performer doesnt have a green light by 5PM the day before, he or she is replaced in the scene. We don?t need to know why, just that the performer is not eligible to perform in this scene.

I don?t think it?s particularly notable that I?m using condoms in my scenes. I talked to a lot of producers at the last meeting who are heading in that direction, or at least in the direction of being condom-optional. It?s probably more notable that I?m paying each performer a $25 testing subsidy with each scene.

I think it?s wishful thinking when someone says ?the perfomers make plenty of money. If they can?t afford more testing they should sell some of their gucci purses? and its equally naive to think that producers are making so much money that we can easily afford to pay for testing.

The big money days in porn are long gone? For almost every producer I know, every extra dollar that comes out of our pocket is painful. 14 day testing is going to be financially painful and I think we should share in the burden, or maybe figure out a system where tests can be paid for out of a producer funded account.

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gabe100 · 09-23-2013, 11:41 AM

nice to see Glenn King taking a stand. Whoever the fuck that is.

Mutt · 09-23-2013, 11:59 AM

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nice to see Glenn King taking a stand. Whoever the fuck that is.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-23-2013, 06:28 PM

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-25-2013, 09:06 AM

Rod Daily posts:

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I got a little story to tell about a little thing called pimping 101. The sad thing is the talent would be the bitch in this case and not even realize it. They are blinded thinking they are safe and cared for while their pockets are being emptied out right in front of their faces with no voice to talk back.

The FSC or APHSS owns cutting edge testing. It's a million dollar industry. When the FSC heard they could make talent pay 2xs as much a month for testing, like shark they smelled blood in the water and attacked.

They charge $150 for a test to perform, x2 = $300 a month, 300 of your hard earned dollars taken from you just like a pimp takes taxes in the streets.

These same tests are offered by the county and AHF for free. Why no condoms you ask? Because it would shut down there million dollar industry.

Wait let's not forget about Gonorrhea and Chlamydia that gets passed around like candy. Why would they want condoms when they would lose another $100 of your hard earned money to treat you.

Let's remember you have to go back to the clinic you tested at to get your treatment. Let me ask the FSC this how was your testing system the safest and most flawless thing known to mankind when one of the male talent was running around with HEP C for 3 years infecting people?

Wait you fixed that, another test more money in your pocket. How was the testing system flawless and the safest thing known to mankind when another male talent was running around with syphilis infecting many more talent because he was using a falsified test?

Where was the concern for the talent then? Let's not forget the talent are the ones that make the wheels turn on this billion dollar machine. Without talent this industry does not exist.

The FSC also forgets to mention that AIM healthcare was shut down because it leaked all of their patients personal information and std results. Ummm any medical facility practicing like that damn well better be shut down.

You guys sit there and try to take jabs at AHF because they were a part of a shady business being shut down. Don't forget that also opened the window for you guys. AHF is not trying to shut down the industry and anyone that thinks that really needs to wake the fuck up.

AHF will give out condoms to studios for free and also test talent for free. AHF actually cares about talents safety and health unlike those other cats who rob you and keep the blinders on.The porn industry is like an atom on the tip of your finger compared to what AHF does worldwide in helping sick people.

Last time I checked helping sick people was a damn good thing. Oh and I forgot these people they help they don't charge them. So maybe your test helps detect the presence of HIV faster, but HIV is not the only sexually transmitted disease. This is a legal business and since it is a legal business the studios should pay for the test at the least.

So let's see by my count your testing has fucked up a lot of people and is no more safe then me being drunk and blind folded then driving a car down the freeway. What you guys have going on is a big ass Ponzi scheme and guess who is papa Ponzi, Manwin, they own it all.

They pay you your scene rate and then pimp your ass and take their taxes in an endless circle of fucking the talent. The money they pay the talent goes right back into their own pocket.

Now that's pimpin 101! I understand why there will be no condoms, cause money makes the world go round. How do you maximize profit you steal it out of your employees pocket, it's like they are lowering your scene rate and the talent does not even know it. That is fucking brilliant, but I gotta call you on your bull shit Diana Duke and the FSC.

I may be HIV positive but my eyes still work very well. It's time to really keep the talent safe, strap up. Don't you know your not supposed to bite the hand that feeds you? The talent feeds all of you. You say you care so much but I ran the numbers.

30% of people are turned off by watching porn with condoms, kind of fuckin weird safe sex is a turn off but what ever. Is 30% really worth the health and safety of your workers? What I do know is porn has always been around and it's always gonna be around. It's simple microeconomics, porn will always be in demand but if the only thing you have to watch is porn with condoms then that's what you will watch.

If some one kills me then you all will know why lol cause I stood up for the talent without a voice. That will be the only way I'm going out though or old age, not HIV. All my positive family be strong and know that everything is ok and will be ok, don't ever let anyone take a single fuckin thing from you.

Good night everyone. This message has been approved by Rod Dailys alter ego Captain Positive. Stay up stay strong people knowledge is power.

ADG

09-18-2013, 02:44 PM	#352
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I'm almost of the opinion that the "industry" needs to do the opposite of getting a pr firm. I think that we should all just shut up making "statements". As I said earlier...back in the 1980's when this was a real death sentence...the biggest star in the world John Holmes contracted it. But the "industry" was closed back then, and it took care of things itself. And despite people predicting that everyone in the industry would now be infected because of all the people John Holmes had fucked and then all of their partners, etc. : It didn't happen. I think it may just be possible that we are all talking too damn much. Too many statements and self-professed industry "leaders". Maybe if we just shut up about it and let the leader of AHF hold his press conferences and carry on about it, he will eventually troll himself to exhaustion. The guy has a big agenda. But it takes two to tango. Everytime someone responds to him it makes him a little bit more "important" and gives the story "legs". The real story here is: A couple (Cameron and Rod) contracted HIV. Their only crime? Having fun. In addition to just plain out partying with her bisexual boyfriend and having group sex with bisexual guys (as documented by her own social media)...she made her living escorting and stripping. Doing porn movies in addition to her 15 minutes of fame on reality t.v. allowed her to get top dollar at her "real job". In order to do porn movies, she needed to be tested. Thank God she was and got it caught early. Now she can still live a long life and within a few months of taking the medication she will have a ZERO viral load and no trace of HIV in her system. The testing procedures in place for shooting porn DEFINITELY helped in catching it fast. The chances of her testing herself if she were just escorting or stripping were probably ZERO and she may have went on to progress to full-blown AIDS and then would have died. Am I missing something there? And is anyone blaming her boyfriend, or her, or the strip clubs she worked, or the guys she serviced as an escort? No? Only the porn industry huh? And how many scenes did she shoot in her entire "career"? And how much income does that add up to? Someone said she started shooting about 3 years ago right? I'd never heard of her...but let's say she shot 20 scenes at $1200 each. So that is DEFINITELY not how she made her living over 3 years time. But it's Porn's "fault" that she is HIV postiive? How about it was because she went to shoot a scene... that she was able to know that she had contracted HIV because of the testing that was in place? Shooting porn and being tested is what caught the infection. Put the pieces together...Was anybody else on the Kink shoot HIV+? Nope. Has anybody else that she shot with in any scene showed up as HIV+? Nope. So she got it from the obvious place...her boyfriend and her personal life. End of story. She could have been working at Burger King and the outcome would still be the same: EXCEPT she wouldn't know she even had it. And once you look at the facts...SHE is the one who put others in danger on the set. Not the other way around as she is now claiming along with AHF. Am I wrong? __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 09-18-2013 at 02:47 PM..

09-18-2013, 02:45 PM	#353
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Where is RedRob now..... __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

09-19-2013, 11:23 AM	#358
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I again, would like to ask Mike... Insurance is now required to cover HIV Everyone is now required to have health insurance (if you don't the govt. will take care of it for you) Why would anyone need the AHF to "help" you with your meds? And even if there was no "ObamaCare"...every city has a LBGT that also does free medical for HIV. I don't get all of this talk of the AHF "helping" anybody. That guy could care less about anyone's health. He has one objective and one objective only. And having seen his protestors at an XBiz Awards show picketing a couple of years back...I can tell you there was a LOT of hate filled people with signs who wanted nothing more than the END of porn. This guy is looking to take the food off of our tables. Plain and simple. He is using HIV as his tool. Nobody in that whole debate is even DISCUSSING the fact that there is a new FDA approved, and being used RIGHT NOW, daily pill that prevents you from catching HIV in the first place. Why? Because the AHF knows that condom only porn will hurt the industry. And the FSC knows that kind of pill could make their Testing P.A.S.S. lucrative company obsolete (just like the actual cure that is coming soon will...last couple of weeks have had a HUGE breakthrough) And The AHF is not even addressing the FACT that these latest HIV cases did NOT occur because of Porn or shooting porn. And that the testing regimen in place basically saved these people's lives by alerting them to the fact that they had HIV and can now get the meds to save themselves. I see NOTHING positive about AHF. Just another guy trying to be "important" with an agenda to destroy the livelihood of thousands of people. I think the FSC is a joke too. But I'm not gonna let my feelings toward the FSC make me jump into bed with AHF in the court of public opinion. The FSC is NOT the porn industry and does NOT represent me or thousands of other pornographers. I don't even pay attention to their pronouncements. But if you support the AHF and you are in the adult industry...you are digging your own grave. This isn't about the clowns at FSC. It's about all of US. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 09-19-2013 at 11:28 AM..

09-19-2013, 05:24 PM	#360
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	The entire AHF press conference: ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

09-20-2013, 10:28 AM	#361
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	The FSC lifted their adult production moratorium today, so what has changed, other than performers having to test twice as frequently? The result for performers is doubling their out of pocket expenses for testing that does nothing to prevent HIV spreading before it is detected, and only makes the window for exposure smaller (and does nothing about actual prevention in case a performer is HIV+, and is performing in between tests). Meanwhile, many related issues continue to be ignored. The issues of multiples clinics with different standards, performers choosing to not participate in the PASS System, some companies who test but do not require condoms (and even discourage condom usage), some shooting with condoms that do not conduct HIV screening (or don't care about HIV status as long as condoms are used), and some companies that are even shooting HIV+ performers without condoms. The moratorium may be over, but the clusterfuck continues... ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

09-21-2013, 06:33 PM	#363
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	It's a shame but condoms in porn will never catch on and become the norm. These 3 factors guarantee the ultimate demise of straight condom porn: 1. Too many guys immediately change the channel when they see a condom on a penis. 2. Medical science is advancing on STI's and AIDS to the point where risks levels are becoming negligible and diseases manageable. 3. There will always be plenty of places to produce porn without these laws, Producers will simply move. I applaud those fighting for these regulations but it's a futile pursuit. __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request •

09-23-2013, 11:41 AM	#366
gabe100 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 459	nice to see Glenn King taking a stand. Whoever the fuck that is.

09-23-2013, 06:28 PM	#368
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)